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Gag The Internet! An Obama Official's Frightening Book About Curbing Free Speech Online
New York Post ^ | 07/11/09 | Kyle Smith

Posted on 07/11/2009 2:30:24 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines

When it comes to the First Amendment, Team Obama believes in Global Chilling.

Cass Sunstein, a Harvard Law professor who has been appointed to a shadowy post that will grant him powers that are merely mind-boggling, explicitly supports using the courts to impose a "chilling effect" on speech that might hurt someone's feelings. He thinks that the bloggers have been rampaging out of control and that new laws need to be written to corral them.

"Although obscure," reported the Wall Street Journal, "the post wields outsize power. It oversees regulations throughout the government, from the Environmental Protection Agency to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration. Obama aides have said the job will be crucial as the new administration overhauls financial-services regulations, attempts to pass universal health care and tries to forge a new approach to controlling emissions of greenhouse gases."

Sunstein was appointed, no doubt, off the success of "Nudge," his previous book, which suggests that government ought to gently force people to be better human beings.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: agenda; bho44; censorship; internet; liberalfascism; nannystate; newmedia; sustein
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1 posted on 07/11/2009 2:30:25 PM PDT by Behind Liberal Lines
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

>> suggests that government ought to gently force people to be better human beings.

Hmmm... “Government ought to”, huh.

My parents taught me to read the Bible and worship God, at least partly for that purpose.


2 posted on 07/11/2009 2:33:26 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
1. This was the same obamanation that wanted to use the internet to be able to connect with everyone and know their views....

Obviously, the people's views are that they think he is anything but a gentleman, a leader and an ethical person. They point out that he hasn't met a lie that he didn't love, or a marxist that he didn't want a picture and autograph of.

As far as him having a hot bod?!! You have to be kidding... he's at the bottom of the rung... with family close behind.

And, the baby boomers were born 1944-50 or so, WE DID NOT PUT HIM INTO OFFICE. The liberal voters who were born in the late 60’s to crazy parents who began the “There is no God” stuff, while doing dope..... these people and their children put this LYING IMPOSTER in office... Not us!!! And it really began when the atheists were able to have their way.... Madalyn O'hare (sp) and the TV and movies became bringing "do it your way" and drink, dance and be merry for tomorrow we die!! idiots......

3 posted on 07/11/2009 2:37:51 PM PDT by bareford101 (obamanation's United States of Wonderland, but God still holds the reins)
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To: Nervous Tick

I can well imagine that FR is at the top of Barry’s list of sites to be shut down.


4 posted on 07/11/2009 2:39:48 PM PDT by America2012 (No Taxation By An Obamanation)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

the last bastion of free speech in order to the complete the transformation from a Republic to a Marxist state with obozo & his minions staying in power to rule over us.


5 posted on 07/11/2009 2:44:13 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
"..Sunstein was appointed, no doubt, off the success of "Nudge," his previous book, which suggests that government ought to gently force people to be better human beings..."

He needs to roast slowly!

6 posted on 07/11/2009 2:46:21 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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7 posted on 07/11/2009 2:47:20 PM PDT by frankenMonkey (www.citizendirect.org - this domain name for sale)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Czar is too mild a world for what Sunstein is about to become. How about "regulator in chief"? How about "lawgiver"? He is Obama's Obama.

We're about to be Czarred and fettered!

Here's Cass Sunstein describing FreeRepublic.com as "group polarization," where people segregate themselves so effectively online with other like-minded thinkers that they create an echo chamber where the group's worst and most malevolent opinions get reinforced and strengthened. "We might want to consider," Sunstein startlingly told the Times recently, "the possibility of ways of requiring or encouraging sites to link to opposing viewpoints."

8 posted on 07/11/2009 2:50:21 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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“Gently force”

A person I know professionally (well respected in technology, MIT graduate, east European immigrant) has used that term regarding women. Specifically, “things” should be put in place to “gently force” women to have fewer children. This guy escaped from communism but he’s swallowed environmentalism hook, line and sinker.


9 posted on 07/11/2009 2:51:10 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Behind Liberal Lines; Jim Robinson
This is big:
Sunstein calls for a "notice and take down" law that would require bloggers and service providers to "take down falsehoods upon notice," even those made by commenters - but without apparent penalty.
Something like a DMCA notice to take down "copyright infringing" items, with the originator of the notice not needing to give proof, but only make the assertion.

How many "notice and take down" letters from lawyers would FreeRepublic's Internet Service Provider need to get before they decided that it wasn't worth the risk to host FR?

10 posted on 07/11/2009 2:54:34 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Certainly a Free Republic killer position...

Pick yer blog, and ZOT!!! Whats left will be a wisp of vapor...

Is it just me, or is this yet another signal???

I feel like I am waiting for some code phrase, to activate me and my group or something...

(That last statement may very well garner me some sort of visit or knock on my door...Oh, wait a sec, BRB)


11 posted on 07/11/2009 2:55:48 PM PDT by stevie_d_64
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
Cass Sunstein, a Harvard Law professor who has been appointed to a shadowy post that will grant him powers that are merely mind-boggling, explicitly supports using the courts to impose a "chilling effect" on speech that might hurt someone's feelings.

Shall we assume Sunstein believes in tenure for professors - so THEY can say whatever they want? Sounds like Sunstein is KING OF THE DOUBLE STANDARD - a dubious honor.

12 posted on 07/11/2009 2:55:59 PM PDT by GOPJ ( Obama Administration: Soft & Sweet with Enemies. Tough & Unfair with Friends.)
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To: stevie_d_64

OK, just the milkman making a delivery...


13 posted on 07/11/2009 3:01:32 PM PDT by stevie_d_64
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To: GOPJ

Should we also presume that “Cass(andra)” took an oath to be admitted to the bar to uphold the Constitution of both the USA and “her” state of admission?

This idiot should be fired and disbarred. Pronto.


14 posted on 07/11/2009 3:04:45 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

For 8 long years the left fantasized that Big Bad W was out to get their library cards... or some such nonsense.

But when it comes to actual curtailment of actual speech, where is the left? Where is the ACLU? Where are the inheritors of the Berkeley Free Speech Movement?

Completely silent and in the tank with the suppressors, with the Dictator, that’s where.


15 posted on 07/11/2009 3:05:58 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: bareford101

Boomers are from 1946-1964


16 posted on 07/11/2009 3:11:28 PM PDT by Katdaddy
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To: Nervous Tick

Should we be surprised?

Obama wants to appoint a Judge to the Supreme Court who would eliminate the Second Amendment from the Constitution.

So why would the First Amendment be any more sacred?


17 posted on 07/11/2009 3:12:04 PM PDT by NeverForgetBataan
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

What “rumours” are untrue? Like the “rumour” that “global warming” is nonsense?


18 posted on 07/11/2009 3:13:58 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (How do I change my screen name now that we have the most conservative government in the world?)
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To: America2012

I would not be surprised if he tried. After all, he won.


19 posted on 07/11/2009 3:25:08 PM PDT by oblomov (Every election is a sort of advance auction sale of stolen goods. - Mencken)
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To: Katdaddy

I have always seen this diffently and considered those people born 1954-1965 as the Generation Jones group to distinguish them from the earlier Baby Booners.


20 posted on 07/11/2009 3:26:36 PM PDT by bareford101
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Are we supposed to be afraid of this? (No.) Isn’t the Obama administration over-reaching in so many areas, that its hold mindshare is already at risk? (Yes.)

This is just another attempt to distract us from focusing on battles we can win.


21 posted on 07/11/2009 3:37:18 PM PDT by Tax Government (Sarah NOW.)
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To: NewHampshireDuo

That is unusual. My family came from a communist country when I was a child and I found “global warming” radioactive from the first. I think there’s far less belief in it in the Eastern Europe which has had a recent encounter with communism than in the West, where tyranny seems to be a forgotten concept. In the Czech Republic only about 11% of people believe in global warming but, of course, there’s a special reason for that - the wonderful Vaclav Klaus who can not only see the truth but articulate it.


22 posted on 07/11/2009 3:41:00 PM PDT by Nipfan (The desire to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it - H L Mencken)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

bump


23 posted on 07/11/2009 3:44:48 PM PDT by lowbridge (It's not that liberals are ignorant, it's that they know so much that isn't so - Ronald Reagan)
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To: NewHampshireDuo

<< ... escaped from communism but he’s swallowed environmentalism ... >>

I’d call that “spreading communmentalism,” not escaping it.

“Environmentalism,” by any other name, IS the new communism.

(Ask any Greenpeace founder!)

Brian Richard Allen
Los Angeles Califobambicated 90028
And the Far Abroad


24 posted on 07/11/2009 3:53:48 PM PDT by Brian Allen (Buraq Hussayn bin Buraq Hussayn bin Hussayn Ubambi, is to America what Pol Pot was to Cambodia)
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To: Brian Allen

Sunstein also believes that animals have the right to sue people ...


25 posted on 07/11/2009 4:17:24 PM PDT by Docs Galore
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

It is NOT the responsibility of the government to teach us to be better human beings. This is the height of arrogance on the part of Statists. Every tyrant since the beginning of time has tried to make better human beings. Hitler believed that was what he was doing when he exterminated a large number of Jews and other inferior beings. Stalin did it with his purge in the Soviet Union to about 40 million Russians. A good human being, in the Statist’s view, is one that supports the state without question. All others are bad human beings.


26 posted on 07/11/2009 4:41:37 PM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
"Nudge," his previous book, which suggests that government ought to gently force people to be better human beings.

You must learn to love Big Brother, Winston. There is no room for haters.

27 posted on 07/11/2009 4:46:40 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

“Sunstein was appointed, no doubt, off the success of “Nudge,” his previous book, which suggests that government ought to gently force people to be better human beings.”

It’s easy to criticize. I think we should offer some helpful suggestions such as perhaps the government should place some words on government buildings to enourage people to be better humans.

For example:

“Thou shall not murder.” or
“Thou shall not steal.”

I wonder if we could come up with, oh, maybe, another eight of those?


28 posted on 07/11/2009 5:13:26 PM PDT by DugwayDuke
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To: stevie_d_64
I feel like I am waiting for some code phrase, to activate me and my group or something...

The chair is against the wall...John has a long mustache. I repeat, John has a long mustache.

29 posted on 07/11/2009 5:44:22 PM PDT by optiguy (Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.----- Ronald Reagan)
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To: optiguy
The chair is against the wall...John has a long mustache. I repeat, John has a long mustache."


30 posted on 07/11/2009 6:06:26 PM PDT by RasterMaster (DUmocrats - the party of slavery, sedition, subversion, socialism & surrender)
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To: optiguy

“John has a long mustache” !!!!

Mon Dieu! Time to go set the charges!


31 posted on 07/11/2009 6:07:24 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
I'm surprised that neither The Post nor anyone so far on this thread noted a well known fact in these quarters: Sunstein's 2001 book, Republic.com (be sure to read the reviews at Amazon), got its name from this very website. He simply lopped off "free" from the title. Free Republic provided what Sunstein considered prima facie evidence that political websites needed to be regulated.

The solution he suggested at the time was that every political website be required by legislation to supply links to opposing viewpoints, which were to be prominently displayed on the website's home page. The idea was laughed out of tech circles and went nowhere.

Sunstein is definitely a dangerous fellow, a government regulator par excellence and an enemy of freedom.

32 posted on 07/11/2009 7:34:48 PM PDT by beckett (Amor Fati)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

I walk around a lot now saying, “What are they thinking?” This is one of those times. I don’t understand how liberals - who will go to the wall to protect the free speech of pornographers - will do what they can to destroy free political speech. Political speech is the main type of speech our founders wanted to protect. What are they thinking?


33 posted on 07/11/2009 7:39:32 PM PDT by GOPJ ( Obama Administration: Soft & Sweet with Enemies. Tough & Unfair with Friends.)
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To: samtheman
For 8 long years the left fantasized that Big Bad W was out to get their library cards... or some such nonsense. But when it comes to actual curtailment of actual speech, where is the left?

Great comment, samtheman, but I fear thinking people - the principled ones - left the democrat party years ago. They don't remember the Berkeley Free Speech Movement.

34 posted on 07/11/2009 7:42:59 PM PDT by GOPJ ( Obama Administration: Soft & Sweet with Enemies. Tough & Unfair with Friends.)
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To: Docs Galore

I better suck up to my cats PRONTO! LOL!


36 posted on 07/11/2009 9:27:32 PM PDT by Lauren BaRecall (Proud heterosexual.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

If Kyle Smith isn’t blowing things out of proportion, this is truly frightening. Just imagine anyone critical of anthropogenic global warming theory. The debate truly would be over because any critics would be declared “wrong.”

OTOH, if Obama overreaches this much, the TEA parties will seem like, well, tea parties compared to the wave of anger that will wash over this nation.


37 posted on 07/11/2009 10:38:56 PM PDT by Entrepreneur (The environmental movement is filled with watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside)
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To: GOPJ

Actually, they do remember the Berkeley Free Speech movement and are sticking to its principles which are: everyone is free to speak as long as they speak exactly what they are told by the leadership of the Left.


38 posted on 07/12/2009 3:48:29 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

Despite the “mess” and the lack of a system, Sunstein says, “I do tend to know where things are.” He qualifies: “I know where everything important is, and I don’t usually lose things. But I have lost checks, made out to me, and I also find coffee cups and Coke cans in surprising places.” He does reorganize on occasion: “When it gets completely disgraceful, I improve it a bit. Usually I clean up a bit in the summer. Right now it’s gotten completely disgraceful, I guess.”

Very few items-ties and KitKat wrappers notwithstanding-in Sunstein’s office on the fourth floor of the Laird Bell Quadrangle are unrelated to his work. The “most unusual” set of items in the room, he says, “may be my CD collection, which features Inter Alia, Bob Dylan, Sheryl Crow, Liz Phair, Bruce Springsteen, and Shawn Colvin. Eminem can also be found here.”

And while his office may be disgraceful, his home, Sunstein declares, “is actually very neat. No mess at all. I keep it that way, partly for my 11-year-old daughter.”

39 posted on 07/12/2009 4:00:53 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

I guess he's changed his mind!

Really interesting coming from a guy who wrote this in 2003...

Review Why Societies Need Dissent...shows that demands for lock-step conformity are wrong and uninformed thinking. Sunstein's important new study is filled with empirical evidence of the significance of opposition, found in his compelling explanations of the need for, and benefits of, disagreement. Sunstein reveals that, in fact, the influence of dissenters is for the better, be it with courts, juries, corporate boardrooms, churches, sports teams, student organizations or faculties, not to mention 'the White House, Congress and the Supreme Court...during times of both war and peace.' --John W. Dean (Los Angeles Times Book Review )

40 posted on 07/12/2009 4:23:56 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

I guess he's changed his mind!

Really interesting coming from a guy who wrote this in 2003...

Review Why Societies Need Dissent...shows that demands for lock-step conformity are wrong and uninformed thinking. Sunstein's important new study is filled with empirical evidence of the significance of opposition, found in his compelling explanations of the need for, and benefits of, disagreement. Sunstein reveals that, in fact, the influence of dissenters is for the better, be it with courts, juries, corporate boardrooms, churches, sports teams, student organizations or faculties, not to mention 'the White House, Congress and the Supreme Court...during times of both war and peace.' --John W. Dean (Los Angeles Times Book Review )

41 posted on 07/12/2009 4:25:45 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: raybbr
"A demagogue is a man who preaches what he knows to be false to men he knows to be idiots." H.L. Mencken
42 posted on 07/12/2009 4:32:25 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (Obama can't fix the economy for the same reason people who win the lottery die broke.)
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To: Fred Nerks
I've read some of his essays:

- Thinks we should celebrate tax day.

- More government power in the name of protecting new freedoms and rights, like the 'right' to social security, welfare etc.

- In favor of a 'Stakeholder society' in which everyone with a clean record gets $80K at age 18, and everyone pays back the $80k with interest before they die enforced by the death tax.

Cass(andra) Sunstein: Marxist salesman about to become the Marxist speech Czar.

43 posted on 07/12/2009 4:41:19 AM PDT by CDFingers (Free Massachusetts!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
We're about to be Czarred and fettered! Great catch phrase. If you don't put it on a bumper sticker, I will.
44 posted on 07/12/2009 4:43:30 AM PDT by CDFingers (Free Massachusetts!)
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In favor of a 'Stakeholder society' in which everyone with a clean record gets $80K at age 18, and everyone pays back the $80k with interest before they die enforced by the death tax.

he sounds like a very dangerous idiot.

45 posted on 07/12/2009 4:43:36 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

“We could also imagine a future in which those who spread false rumors are categorized as such, discounted and marginalized . . . people would approach rumors skeptically even they provide comfort and fit their own biases.”

So we’d “marginalize” nearly all of the mainstream media?


46 posted on 07/12/2009 5:02:47 AM PDT by CTyank
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To: PapaBear3625

“Sunstein calls for a “notice and take down” law that would require bloggers and service providers to “take down falsehoods upon notice,” even those made by commenters - but without apparent penalty. “

This will not apply to altered documents such as FORGED
Birth Certificates, COLB’s, college records, letters from hospitals where duplicate births of the same person were
published.


47 posted on 07/12/2009 5:03:20 AM PDT by Fireone (230 days of on the job training and he still can't do it.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines

WAAAAH ! ! !

That Cass Man offends me!

Gag him! Do It NOW ! ! !

I’m offended by him.


48 posted on 07/12/2009 5:27:26 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles,)
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To: NewHampshireDuo
“things” should be put in place to “gently force” women to have fewer children.

Does that mean they'll thoroughly dope up the women during forced abortions and sterilizations? Give 'em lots of pain med for the recovery period?

49 posted on 07/12/2009 5:45:06 AM PDT by Jemian (PAM of JT ~~ Caligula is pure evil.)
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To: Behind Liberal Lines
government ought to gently force people to be better human beings.

In fewer words: RATs admit being control freaks.

Just like everyone says.

50 posted on 07/12/2009 5:46:09 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (RATs...nothing more than Bald Haired Hippies!)
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