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US to spend another $1 billion for flu vaccine
Reuters ^ | 7/12/2009

Posted on 07/12/2009 2:13:15 PM PDT by Selene

WASHINGTON, July 12 (Reuters) - The United States will spend an another $1 billion for ingredients for an H1N1 vaccination, U.S. Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius said on Sunday.

"There'll be another $1 billion worth of orders placed to get the bulk ingredients for an H1N1 vaccination. Congress has agreed with the president that this is the number one priority, keeping Americans safe and secure," Sebelius said on CNN.

Sebelius has said plans were on track for a mid-October vaccination program, although it was not certain Americans would be offered the vaccine for the so-called swine flu.

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1 posted on 07/12/2009 2:13:15 PM PDT by Selene
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To: Selene

Weird. I live in a medium sized suburb in Ohio, and have never met anyone who has had this flu. Is this really a problem in other areas? I’ve read a lot about it in the news; I just haven’t seen any in real life.


2 posted on 07/12/2009 2:17:33 PM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: Selene

I think there are a living 1 billion people on Earth who if they knew what was in the vaccine, their chances of dying, and that the flu bug has already had mutations, there are 1 billion smarter people who wouldn’t take the drug.


3 posted on 07/12/2009 2:21:49 PM PDT by rovenstinez
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To: rovenstinez

All other things being equal, given a 50% chance of me taking the flu shot, I’d be happy to get injections in years that Bush was Prez, and avoid getting injections in any years that -7bama was Rez...


4 posted on 07/12/2009 2:27:01 PM PDT by C210N (A patriot for a Conservative Renaissance!)
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To: Selene

How come this doesn’t make me feel safe. I guess because vaccines bypass the body’s normal defenses. Direct access to the body and immune system. So how do we know what’s in the vaccine? We don’t. We need to trust the same government that stole $13 trillion from us.

Nope I’ll be passing on my shots this year. Thanks anyway.


5 posted on 07/12/2009 2:27:20 PM PDT by Alex Kida
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To: rovenstinez

Does anyone know if this is accurate?

Swine Flu Kills Obese People: Is U.S. Primed for a Pandemic Catastrophe?
http://www.naturalnews.com/026602_pandemic_swine_flu_health.html


6 posted on 07/12/2009 2:33:45 PM PDT by Selene
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To: Alex Kida

if the flu really does mutate into some nasty virus we are to late in producing a vaccine right now anyway. This should of been started months ago.


7 posted on 07/12/2009 2:34:01 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Selene
I seriously doubt it. What makes this a potentially dangerous virus is that it attacks those with a very good immunity system. It tricks the body into attacking its own immunity system, so ordinarily the healthier the person the more risk they are.

potentially can be a very scary virus.

8 posted on 07/12/2009 2:38:45 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Selene
Oh.. duh.. didn't even think of that point. The swine flu as it is right now those with a poor immunity system is at greatest risk so this article is correct.

At present time the flu should be treated as just a normal flu, so those that are obese will be at greatest risk.
This is old news and a none issue.

9 posted on 07/12/2009 2:48:36 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: keats5

We had this virus in March before it hit the news for killing folks in Mexico. Son’s coach got it while vacationing in Mexico. He was very sick but not sick enough to stay home. It went through the players over several weeks. It went through our house over a few weeks as well. Hubby and I barely got sick at all. A child at our sons’ school died from it though that child was immuno-compromised (or whatever the word for that is), and there were other members of that child’s family who were ill enough to be hospitalized.

I’ve read a lot of stuff about this on FR, including the info that there were swine flu cases in 1977 or 1978 when there was some sort of lab version of the flu that got into the general population. I’ve even met someone my age who had the swine flu that year. She had mentioned it when this year’s swine flu scare started, and I thought she was mistaken because no one was reporting any swine flu during the years she would have had it. Anywho, I guess she really did have the swine flu as did the rest of her family.


10 posted on 07/12/2009 2:54:23 PM PDT by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: Selene

Big Pharma RULES DC!!!


11 posted on 07/12/2009 3:17:40 PM PDT by browniexyz
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To: Selene

that swine flu might preferentially kill obese people can be attributed to one factor - but this is just conjecture.

The shells of a virus come in two types - protein or fat. Some herpes viruses are fatty shelled. Cold viruses are protein shelled (there might be some exceptions).

the swine flu virus is probably fatty shelled. An obese person would have an abundance of the materials needed to make the fatty shelled virus. If the body’s immune system is not able to fight off the virus very well, then possibly, there could be this exponential growth rate for the swine flu virus since the “raw materials” are so much more plentiful in an obese person.


12 posted on 07/12/2009 3:20:31 PM PDT by bioqubit
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To: keats5
According to the CDC, Ohio is currently at just a "sporadic" level when it comes to H1N1 (see http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/update.htm).

The article about obesity was interesting:

In the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention's report on death and disease, researchers documented the case of ten swine flu patients at a Michigan hospital who became so ill they were put on ventilators. Three of the patients ultimately died from the infection. The kicker? Nine of the ten were obese, and two of the three who died were severely obese.

As reported by Reuters, CDC virologist Dr. Tim Uyeki said, "What this suggests is that there can be severe complications associated with this virus infection, especially in severely obese patients."

Notably, five of the patients showed evidence of blood clots in their lungs, indicating severe cellular trauma in the lungs. Nine of the patients suffered from multiple organ failure, and six experienced kidney failure.

The bottom line in this study is quite clear: Don't be obese during the next pandemic. If you are obese now, let this bit of knowledge provide whatever extra motivation you need to drop some excess body fat and reduce the inflammatory burden on your body's organs. Obesity is, after all, readily reversed through simple changes in diet and exercise habits.

13 posted on 07/12/2009 3:33:46 PM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: bioqubit; john in springfield

I’ll plant this “obese” info in the back of my brain, for future reference.


14 posted on 07/12/2009 4:15:14 PM PDT by Selene
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To: Selene

I’ve been sick as hell for a week now, just finally feeling sort of human. Hubby wanted me to go to the doctors, no freaking way. Stick your gov. shot.


15 posted on 07/12/2009 5:53:51 PM PDT by AirForceMom (Locked and loaded, and sharpening wooden stakes.)
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To: Selene
Never had a flu shot, never had the flu and I wouldn't take one. I knows lots of people that have taken the shot and gotten a mild case of the flu. No thanks, I wouldn't take anything odumbass offered up in his administration. That statement by Ayers that we need 25 million dead sort of tends to stick with me. Now Ginseberg saying she thought abortion was for population control? Nah.... pass.
16 posted on 07/12/2009 6:17:41 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: mojitojoe; Selene

Don't take it. Population control.
Guillain-Barré syndrome, MS, Alzheimer's, Autism, sterility, infertility, etc.
Don't take this. They will lie to try to trick people into taking this. Thousands or more will get sick or crippled from this. Much worse than a bout of flu.

Vaccine May Be More Dangerous Than Swine Flu


17 posted on 07/12/2009 7:51:56 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: keats5
I have a theory - this flu is hitting some dem victim group.

If this flu was like the others - primarily killing children and grandparents - the big money wouldn't be there.

When they say people who are dying have “other complications” ... it might be those who are HIV positive are more susceptible. We'll have to wait and see - but it would explain the big funding.

18 posted on 07/12/2009 8:07:28 PM PDT by GOPJ (Still waiting for journalists ask Obama how he'll "heal" a deeply divided nation -FreeperOldDeckHand)
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To: Selene

Do not get this vaccine and do not let anyone try to vaccinate you by force.

This vaccine was developed WAY TOO QUICKLY to be a "response" to a completely "new" flu virus - which is likely a man-made virus, being composed of four different strains of flu virus that would not combine on their own.

Normally, I'd say this is the stuff of '24' and 'tinfoil hat conspiracies,' but given all that Obama has done already, and given who he has hired, this is a real and likely scenario.

Obama has hired advisors and appointed people who are academics and radical environmentalists that firmly believe the Earth's population is growing faster than the Earth can support it, and only a mandatory, global population reduction will save it.

Enforcing the one-child policy of China is one idea.

The other is through controlled pandemics. Their thinking is like the philosophy of Darwinian POPULATION CONTROL as espoused by political economist Thomas Malthus (1766–1834). Except that real-life scenarios are being thought out by these environmental extremists on who survives and who dies.

A global pandemic, on the order of the great 1918 flu, ought to do the trick. But, instead of actually unleashing a virus, the government can vaccinate people with an active virus for which they have no immunity.

Or, the other scenario is unleashing a deadly virus and having control over who gets vaccinated, and "retained" for the New World Order.

I hope that I am completely wrong...but I am reminded of Revelations by my Christian friends.

19 posted on 07/12/2009 9:06:21 PM PDT by Polarik (Obama: When destroying America is not enough.)
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To: 2ndreconmarine; Fitzcarraldo; Covenantor; Mother Abigail; EBH; Dog Gone; ...

Ping...


20 posted on 07/13/2009 4:33:12 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: keats5

Dittos here. Never heard of anyone around here having that flu either.


21 posted on 07/13/2009 6:42:58 AM PDT by sneakers
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To: Selene; TigerLikesRooster; M. Espinola; LucyT; Smokin' Joe; kellynla; cripplecreek; ...
Per This Report: Avian and Swine Flu Vaccine May Cause Sterility and Death !

The mainstream media is not telling us about these facts (see links below). This may be how the global elite plan to depopulate the planet. Many of these malignant inflated egos are on record talking about the urgent need to depopulate the earth.

Vaccines do not work exactly as advertised. Often they cause severe side effects. Britain plans to start inoculating millions for the Swine Flu after a 5 day trial ! This is the first time in history that an experimental vaccine will be launched without a thorough clinical trial. Insanity prevails today.

I urge you to read the shocking facts about avian flu vaccine deaths and sterility.

Go to this site

Then scroll down looking on the right side. Then listen to the audio interview of Dr. John Waterman (11 July-update 4). You may also visit his website by clicking on his name under update 3 of same web page and click on Medical Martial Law. Scroll down to the July 7th posting.

As the truth gets out more and more people will refuse to allow the vaccines. Spread the word to those you love!

Just a reminder that the Bohemian Grove conclave is scheduled for next week. 'Timing is all.' There are no coincidences. Please check my FR page for details. 'Nuff said.

22 posted on 07/13/2009 11:22:59 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20)
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To: freekitty; oswegodeee; PhiKapMom; BossLady; ladyvet; justiceseeker93; 2ndDivisionVet; ...

PING


23 posted on 07/13/2009 11:26:38 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: Salvation; Selene; TigerLikesRooster; M. Espinola; LucyT; Smokin' Joe; kellynla; cripplecreek; ...
Here Are More Shocking Facts For the Whole World to Peruse:

DATA SET 1 1. An “informal” [e.g., illegal] clinical trial of the Avian Flu vaccine on about 200 Polish vagrants resulted in 11 immediate deaths and an additional set of 20 later deaths (approximately 15% of the test population). The doctors and nurses involved were charged with murder. (Fact. 2008)

2. Approximately 3500 Chinese children died in an Avian Flu vaccine experiment. (Rumor, 2008)

3. The Philippine High Court convicted WHO (The World Health Organization) of involuntarily sterilizing over 3 million Philippina women through the use of vaccines. (Fact)

4. The WHO in 1985 documented that one of its’ primary goals for the use of a sterility vaccine disguised as a smallpox vaccine was to “eliminate 150 million excess Sub Saharan Africans”. (Fact, 1985-ongoing)

5. The WHO 5-shot vaccine programs for tetanus in third world countries in South and Central America caused the involuntary sterilization of millions of women. (Fact, ongoing)

6. Monsanto MON 810 GM corn causes sterility according to studies published by the Austrian Government. (Fact, 2009)

7. Monsanto MON 810 corn contains the Cauliflower Mosaic Virus which, when ingested, lowers the bodies CD 4 cells to a point which, on immune tests, indicate that a person has HIV/AIDS. The lowered CD 4 cells results from eating GMO corn, the staple of the diet in many parts of Black Africa. MON 810 is grown in Europe for animal feed and in many places, including the US, around the world for human food. (Fact, ongoing)

8. Merck’s Gardasil vaccine causes death, collapse and chronic illness in young woman and girls, including a new, never-before described “disease” called Juvenile ALS, a fatal condition in which the nervous system is slowly destroyed while consciousness remains unimpaired. This vaccine increases cervical cancer by 44.7% in women and girls who already have Human Papilloma Virus. Cervical Cancer is easily detected and cured in early stages and is not a major killer of women. Gardasil contains substances which may cause sterility in women receiving it and any protection lasts only a few years, so 9 year olds will probably not be sexually active by the time this protection has worn off. (Fact, ongoing)

9. Baxter International Inc. was in the process of applying for a contract to provide Avian Flu vaccines to European countries in the event of an Avian Flu epidemic. Its Austrian laboratory shipped Seasonal Flu vaccines to 18 countries in Europe. A laboratory technician tested the Baxter Seasonal Flu vaccines sent to the Czech Republic and discovered that they were contaminated with a highly pathogenic version of the Avian Flu, 72 Kilograms of it, although Level 3 precautions were in place and such contamination “could not have happened accidentally” according to experts in the field. No documentation of the destruction of this highly infective material has been provided although the Austrian Health Ministry insists that the deadly viral material was destroyed. (Fact, 2008, 2009)

10. A WHO investigation into the Baxter contaminated vaccine issue resulted in NO findings and in NO disciplinary actions. An Austrian investigation into the same events yielded the same results. (Fact, 2009)

11. Baxter has been rewarded with a lead role in developing, producing and disseminating the Swine Flu vaccine for the upcoming pandemic. (Fact, 2009)

12. Swine Flu was first identified to the public as a serious problem in April/May 2009 when 168 persons in Mexico were confirmed by CDC and WHO to have died from the Swine Flu. This number was later revised downward to only 16 deaths. (Fact, 2009)

13. It normally takes a minimum of 12 to 18 months to create a vaccine after a specific virus has been identified. (Fact)

14. The US Government has spent more than a billion dollars to develop and to make available the Swine flu vaccine for a disease which poses no significant health threat. (Fact, 2009)

15. The “Seed Culture” for the Swine Flu virus was provided to vaccine companies in May, 2009. Baxter International Inc. announced in June, 2009 that they would have their vaccine ready in July, 2009 . (Fact, 2009)

16. A WHO container of Swine Flu virus from Mexico City exploded on a passenger train in Luzon, Switzerland. All of the current Swiss cases of Swine Flu are from the area where the explosion took place. It is illegal to ship pathogenic viruses in this way. (Fact, 2009)

17. A significant number of virologists and other scientists are on record stating that the Swine Flu was created in a laboratory and could not evolve naturally. (Fact, 2009)


24 posted on 07/13/2009 11:33:47 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20)
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To: Selene; TigerLikesRooster; M. Espinola; LucyT; Smokin' Joe; kellynla; cripplecreek
More Shocking Facts Posted Below:

DATA SET 2

1. Canada, Sweden, Norway, France and other countries have announced intentions to vaccinate every man, woman and child. To do so, they are ordering 2 shots per person of untested, unsafe and unnecessary Swine Flu Vaccines from a variety of manufacturers. The US Departments of Homeland Security and Health and Human Services both stated in early 2009 that they would do so “beginning with those who want it”. (Fact, 2009)

2. President Obama announced to the public shortly after his inauguration that every man, woman and child should receive the Avian Flu vaccine this fall along with seasonal flu shots this coming Fall. President Obama is on record saying that he believes that vaccinations should be mandatory. (Fact, 2009)

3. The United States has spent $714 Million GPS mapping every front door of every house and apartment in the country and listing who lives in each house or apartment under the direction of the White House. (Fact, 2009)

4. Many people have reported that they have received calls at home or at work from agencies of the US Government inquiring about the “number of unvaccinated children in the household”. (Fact, 2009)

5. The United States, Norway, Sweden, Austria and other countries have announced that in case of a Swine Flu pandemic all health and security authority shall revert to teams and command centers run by the WHO. (Fact, 2009)

6. Every recent major event like 9/11, the Madrid bombings or the London bombings has been accompanied by a materially identical “training exercise” simulating the actual event involving, confusing and distracting the legitimate responders. (Fact, 2001-ongoing)

7. A major set of FEMA training exercises is scheduled for 27 July, 2009. (Fact, 2009)


25 posted on 07/13/2009 11:45:26 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20)
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To: Selene

I posted this the other day but with the obamageddons choices well...

http://bluelori.blogspot.com/2009/07/depopulation.html


26 posted on 07/13/2009 12:08:07 PM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: FromLori; Selene; TigerLikesRooster; M. Espinola; LucyT; Smokin' Joe; All
This swine flu appears to be a man made virus. Criminal charges have been filed in Australia against Baxter labs, the WHO/UN, President 0 and others. The allegations were filed by a famous Aussie journalist. No word yet about whether there is a major investigation going on. The charges made headlines world wide.

Except for the censored, controlled and abused American media . . . The highly experimental nature of the H1N1 or swine flu vaccine has been reported in England. But readers in London must read between the lines to understand what is really going on:

Britain: Swine Flu Vaccine To Be Cleared After Only 5 Day Trial


Scientists Developing Swine Flu Vaccine in Taiwan

Britain: Swine Flu Vaccine To Be Cleared After 5 Day Trial

27 posted on 07/13/2009 1:00:38 PM PDT by ex-Texan (Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20)
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To: ex-Texan

They are setting up shop right now to vaccinate every person the the UK.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article6689955.ece


28 posted on 07/13/2009 1:03:52 PM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: ex-Texan

Has this been verified elsewhere?


29 posted on 07/13/2009 1:39:26 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: ex-Texan

Well, thanks for the reference, but although I won’t dismiss some of these considerations (that you’ve mentioned), I’ll also wait for further information to be presented to the public which backs up this information.

Considering the viewpoint of this website, I might not be willing to vest a whole lot into their viewpoint, just on the basis of them being the only source for this information...

They said that their mission is the following...

Our focus includes but is not limited to the following:
— extraterrestrial visitation and contact
— time travel
— mind control
— classified advanced technology
— free energy
— possible coming earth changes
— revealing plans that exist to control the human race.

Now, on these main areas of their *focus* (for the source that you give us), I would say this about those items...

— extraterrestrial visitation and contact
This appears to be a hoax and a deception to me, so I’m not too willing to vest a whole lot into someone who thinks that there may be advanced civilizations from distant galaxies, piloting spaceships here to this earth to visit “earthlings”...

— time travel
Now, this one, I’ll dismiss out of hand, as I don’t trust anyone who believes in time travel. I mean..., I love good science fiction movies about time travel, it’s just that I keep my science fiction separate from my real life... LOL...

— mind control
I don’t know where they’re going with this one. But, there have been whispers and conspiracy threads about this one for decades. I haven’t really seen that it’s gone anywhere, actually...

— classified advanced technology
Ummm..., I’m not quite sure how much some open public website should be “announcing” about “classified advanced technology”... actually...

— free energy
No such thing exists. I mean, oil is free, in that no one charged for it coming out of the ground, but, it was the technology and the equipment and the delivery and all the other “mechanisms” that cost. So, no such thing as “free energy” exists, because there is always technology involved and people get paid salaries to work on the technology and develop it, and there are distribution systems, even if it is simply distributing the equipment to “make it free” (but all that goes into it isn’t free...). So no such thing exists...

— possible coming earth changes
Ummmm...., this one could come under many different categories, and without examining this one, it could range anywhere from the benign to the outrageous an insane. I would have to see where they’re going with this one.

— revealing plans that exist to control the human race.
Well..., as I’ve seen it, that’s the history of the world since human beings have existed. Someone is always wanting to control the human race. However, this could be ranging into the ridiculous, for example, some people say that extra-terrestrials are coming here to control the human race (just for one example). So, I guess it’s how ridiculous do these guys want to make that assertion...

Sorry..., I’ll be looking for a better source for this material...


30 posted on 07/13/2009 3:07:46 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler; DvdMom; Smokin' Joe; azishot; WestCoastGal; Oorang; Velveeta; Domestic Church; ...

(excerpted)

A sore throat ... and 48 hours later Chloe was dead: Swine flu kills healthy girl aged six and a doctor

Chloe Buckley, six, died within 48 hours of complaining of a sore throat and just a day before her seventh birthday.
She was not given the anti-viral drug Tamiflu after her doctor apparently misdiagnosed her illness as tonsillitis.

On the same day, it was announced that Dr Michael Day, a 64-year-old GP who had been treating swine flu victims, had died after contracting the virus.

Both the little girl and the doctor are believed to have been perfectly healthy before succumbing to swine flu

Read more:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1199147/Health-bosses-announce-20m-vaccinated-swine-flu-Christmas—virus-reaches-Downing-Street.html


31 posted on 07/13/2009 7:13:20 PM PDT by LucyT ("I used to look forward to Christmas but now I look forward to karma.")
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To: Star Traveler
Now, this one, I’ll dismiss out of hand, as I don’t trust anyone who believes in time travel. I mean..., I love good science fiction movies about time travel, it’s just that I keep my science fiction separate from my real life... LOL...

Get back to me last week on that, m'Kay?

32 posted on 07/13/2009 7:28:41 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 174 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: bioqubit

Sure. Blame the fat guy.


33 posted on 07/13/2009 7:29:27 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 174 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: ex-Texan

Your sources for this information? Original, credible sources?

I KNOW you wouldn’t post serious allegations like this, allegations that might endanger the lives of people who believe you by persuading them to avoid taking a vaccine that could very well save their lives, unless you could back your “facts” up with ORIGINAL, CREDIBLE sources.


34 posted on 07/13/2009 10:58:08 PM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: john in springfield

Thank you for the very interesting and informative link.


35 posted on 07/13/2009 11:10:18 PM PDT by 21twelve (Drive Reality out with a pitchfork if you want , it always comes back.)
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To: john in springfield; Star Traveler
The info I posted has been verified multiple times.

Despite what you skeptics say about the source. Did star traveler do some deep digging to dredge up that material _______ ? No he did not. All he did was attack the messenger. Did he even listen to the audio file posted on that site. No he did not. Did john in springfield ___ ? The answer is no again.

This site has many reports saying H1N1 is a man made virus: Read More Here Most anti-viruses take up to 18 months to develop. All of them go through rigorous testing to assure safety for the public. Except for this one !

My questions to you skeptics: How is that Baxter developed this vaccine so quickly _____ ?
Why are they rushing into full scale production on an untested vaccine ____ ?
They plan to give millions of people in Britain the vaccine starting immediately. Why ____ ?

Criminal allegations have been filed in Australia against Baxter, Obama, the WHO/UN and others. You need to read all my posts on this thread.

Believe what you want to. If this vaccine kills people or makes them sterile or has other frightening complications -- that it is not my fault or my responsibility.

I was just trying to issue a warning for those who are willing to listen. I have issued other warnings about hyper inflated real estate, the national real estate bubble, stock markets, currency problems, hedge funds and several other things. I was proved correct on all of them.

Turn your back on my warnings and just walk away if you choose. Tell your loved one they are perfectly safe to take this new, untested anti-virus. Go right ahead. You are certainly free to do so.

But I know that I will never take a vaccine that hot been properly tested for safety.

36 posted on 07/14/2009 12:11:27 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20)
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To: john in springfield
I guess you are saying this new untested vaccine is not part of 0bama's depopulation policy _________ ?

Shocking Obama Depopulation Policy Exposed

37 posted on 07/14/2009 12:39:54 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20)
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To: john in springfield
Here are more reports I posted here back on June 26, 2009:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2279818/posts?page=10#10

My old post in June said in part:

Look what I found just by gooogling the magic phrase "Journalist Filed Charges against WHO and UN for Bioterrorism" Also named as defendants are King Zero himself and Hedge Fund Bankster George Soros. The charges were filed in Australia by well known investigative journalist Jane Burgermeister.

Google it yourself. There are 36,000 news reports out there. Take your pick. Here is one of them that claims Obama, Soros, Who/UN are engaged in bioterrorism:

http://naturalnews.com/026503_pandemic_swine_flu_bioterrorism.html

38 posted on 07/14/2009 12:48:49 AM PDT by ex-Texan (Ecclesiastes 5:10 - 20)
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To: Selene; ex-Texan
What's another billion here and there?


39 posted on 07/14/2009 2:21:37 AM PDT by M. Espinola (Freedom is not 'free'.)
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To: ex-Texan

I actually think there are some real reasons for concern about the safety of a swine flu vaccine. But to think it’s all a deliberate plot to sterilize everybody for population control is, well, you just oughtta go into the tinfoil hat business.

The most concerning thing I’ve read about such vaccines is this: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2290374/posts. It’s concerning because Blaylock appears to be entirely credible, unlike many who write about such things who fall into the fruitcake category.

The problem as I see it isn’t that there’s some conspiracy to sterilize or kill people, it’s that the vaccine manufacturers and the officials in WHO and CDC and to a lesser degree even local health care providers aren’t necessarily acting in our interest, they’re acting in their own. If there’s billions to be made, then who cares if a “few” people have problems either immediately or years from now? That’s the real danger.

As it is, we seem to be faced with an unpleasant choice: picking which we think is least dangerous, the influenza or the influenza vaccine. The influenza has (so far, at least) a 1/200 death rate for those who catch it. More if you fall into certain categories. And that could go up. So what are the potential dangers from the vaccine? At this point, nobody knows.


40 posted on 07/14/2009 10:14:37 AM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: ex-Texan

That’s actually an interesting link you provided, thanks.

I still think it unlikely that there’s such a genocide conspiracy. However, such conspiracies have existed in the past (witness Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc.), so it’s not beyond the realm of possiblity.


41 posted on 07/14/2009 10:24:21 AM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: null and void

Umm..., I think I did already... LOL...


42 posted on 07/14/2009 11:15:11 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: LucyT

You said — Both the little girl and the doctor are believed to have been perfectly healthy before succumbing to swine flu

That reminds me of the flu epidemic (of 1918) that my grandmother used to tell me about, all the time (when I was a kid). I remember the phrase that she used.... “They were dropping in the street like flies!”

I used to think, for many years, that she was just using colorful and exaggerated language to get the point across about how deadly it was. However, I found out, many years later (after looking into it), that some people would be fine in the morning, before going to work (i.e., showing or feeling no symptoms) and then by the end of the day and maybe by the time they got off work, they would literally “drop dead”... and I mean drop down dead while walking in the streets.

So, “dropping in the street like flies” was apparently true. I also read somewhere (when reading up on it in the past) that in some places (in the U.S.) there would be carts going around picking up dead bodies in the streets.

And so, yes, if these people in the 1918 flu epidemic could drop in the street like flies, feeling fine at the beginning of the day and being dead at the end of the day, this sort of thing you’re talking about could happen again.


43 posted on 07/14/2009 11:25:38 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: john in springfield; ex-Texan

You said — I actually think there are some real reasons for concern about the safety of a swine flu vaccine. But to think it’s all a deliberate plot to sterilize everybody for population control is, well, you just oughtta go into the tinfoil hat business.

Yeah..., it sounds way too much like the crazy internet sites you find out there about every conceivable topic you could ever *imagine*... it’s there on the Internet.

It’s like I said in my prior post, in that maybe there are some concerns, but until I see some credible stuff, it’s all “crazy tinfoil hat stuff”... in the meantime.

And, furthermore, if something like this is going on, on a large scale, it has credible information that will be shown. And if no credible information is shown, then *at the very least* one can say that it’s nothing more than an assertion without any proof (but when you add “common sense” to the mix, it’s “tinfoil hat stuff”).


44 posted on 07/14/2009 11:29:51 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler
Thanks, Star Traveler. Scary, isn't it. You might enjoy reading the book The Great Influenza (Paperback) by Author, John Barry.

Publisher's note:

"At the height of WWI, history's most lethal influenza virus erupted in an army camp in Kansas, moved east with American troops, then exploded, killing as many as 100 million people worldwide. "It killed more people in twenty-four months than AIDS killed in twenty-four years, more in a year than the Black Death killed in a century. But this was not the Middle Ages, and 1918 marked the first collision of science and epidemic disease.

"Magisterial in its breadth of perspective and depth of research and now revised to reflect the growing danger of the avian flu, "The Great Influenza" is ultimately a tale of triumph amid tragedy, which provides us with a precise and sobering model as we confront the epidemics looming on our own horizon.

Annotation:

"Victims of the great influenza pandemic of 1918 suffered horrifying effects, including bleeding from the ears and nose, and they usually died.

"It killed more people in a year than the plagues of the Middle Ages did in a century. In the United States, where there weren't enough coffins to house the increasing numbers of bodies, nearly seven times as many people died of influenza than were killed in the First World War.

"Award-winning historian John M. Barry tells the story of the worst flu epidemic in world history, including background on microbiology, immunology, and epidemiology."

45 posted on 07/14/2009 11:40:32 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: Star Traveler

Right, I had a CRS moment. Sorry.


46 posted on 07/14/2009 11:56:55 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 175 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: Selene; keats5; rovenstinez; C210N; Alex Kida; Steve Van Doorn; petitfour; browniexyz; bioqubit; ...

One of the reasons why governments may be rushing on this one...

All, I can say is get ready for the great pandemic of 2010.


New flu “unstoppable”, WHO says, calls for vaccine
13 Jul 2009

WASHINGTON - Saying the new H1N1 virus is “unstoppable”, the World Health Organization gave drug makers a full go-ahead to manufacture vaccines against the pandemic influenza strain on Monday and said healthcare workers should be the first to get one.

Every country will need to vaccinate citizens against the swine flu virus and must choose who else would get priority after nurses, doctors and technicians, said Dr. Marie-Paule Kieny, WHO director of the Initiative for Vaccine Research.

Several reports showed the new virus attacks people differently than seasonal flu — affecting younger people, the severely obese and seemingly healthy adults, and causing disease deep in the lungs.

Kieny briefed reporters on the findings of the WHO’s Strategic Advisory Group of Experts on Immunization, or SAGE. “The committee recognized that the H1N1 pandemic ... is unstoppable and therefore that all countries need access to vaccine,” Kieney said.

“The SAGE recognized first that healthcare workers should be immunized in all countries in order to retain a functional health system as the virus evolves,” she added.

After that, each country should decide who is next in line, based on the virus’s unusual behavior.

Seasonal influenza is deadly enough — each year it is involved in 250,000 to 500,000 deaths globally. But most are the elderly or those with some kind of chronic disease that makes them more vulnerable to flu, such as asthma.

ELDERLY ADVANTAGE

The elderly seem to have some extra immunity to this new H1N1, which is a mixture of two swine viruses, one of which also contains genetic material from birds and humans. It is a very distant cousin of the H1N1 virus that caused the 1918 pandemic that killed 50 million to 100 million people.

A study published in the journal Nature on Monday confirmed that the blood of people born before 1920 carries antibodies to the 1918 strain, suggesting their immune systems remember a childhood infection.

The work by Dr. Yoshihiro Kawaoka also supports other studies that this new H1N1 strain does not stay in the nose and throat, as do most seasonal viruses.

“The H1N1 virus replicates significantly better in the lungs,” Kawaoka said. Other studies have also shown it can cause gastrointestinal effects, and that it targets people not usually thought of as being at high risk.

“Obesity has been observed to be one of the risk factors for more severe reaction to H1N1” — something never before seen, Kieny added. It is not clear if obese people may have undiagnosed health problems that make them susceptible, or if obesity in and of itself is a risk.

On Friday, a team at the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the University of Michigan reported that nine out of 10 patients treated in an intensive care unit there were obese. They also had unusual symptoms such as blood clots in the lungs and multiple organ failure.

None have recovered and three died.

The CDC estimates at least a million people are infected in the United States alone and clinics everywhere are advised not to test each and every patient, so keeping an accurate count of cases will be impossible. The United States has documented 211 deaths and WHO counted 429 early last week.

Kieny said WHO would also work to get better viruses for companies from which to make vaccines. She said the strains that had been distributed did not grow very well in chicken eggs — used to make all flu vaccines.

One exception — AstraZeneca’s MedImmune unit makes a live virus vaccine that is squirted up the nose and it is easier to produce, Kieny said.

WHO said countries should continue with their normal vaccination programs against seasonal flu. Kieny said the seasonal H3N2 strain was also very active now in the southern hemisphere’s winter.


I’m not giving the link to the MSM paper that printed this, as anyone can find it themselves, if they want. I include it here for the documentation of the pandemic.


47 posted on 07/14/2009 4:20:26 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler

Don't take the shot. It's a population control experiment.
As Obama's science czar wrote: "The population at large could be sterilized by infertility drugs intentionally put into the nation's drinking water or in food..." Or in vaccines.
Guillain-Barré syndrome, MS, Alzheimer's, Autism, sterility, infertility, etc.
Don't take this. They will lie to try to trick people into taking this. Thousands or more will get sick or crippled from this. Just watch and see...

They mean to depopulate the planet. They say this at their meetings.
They tried it before.

Vaccine may be more dangerous than Swine Flu

The truth about poisons in vaccines

48 posted on 07/14/2009 4:38:20 PM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: ex-Texan

The info I posted has been verified multiple times.


Just wondering, could you tell me where the Guardisil and monsanto MON810 corn (I am assuming you mean MON810 Maize) sourcing is.


49 posted on 07/14/2009 4:55:15 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait till it is free! "~ PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Star Traveler; freekitty; flat; unkus; 2ndDivisionVet; BossLady; DooDahhhh; hiredhand; ...

Something smells very sinister on this one.

I’m telling everyone to NOT get this vaccine. Beware. AustchwitzCare, ya think? Are you that trusting of Zero and his Gestapo to let them pump you with this supposed vaccine? Let Pelosi, Reid, Zero, his shrew and their kids, Murtha, Kerry, and the rest of the DC crowd be the first to line up for their shots and make it on TV.


50 posted on 07/14/2009 5:30:57 PM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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