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Tax on 'Rich' People Planned by House Democrats Would Strike a Million U.S. Small Businesses
cns news ^ | July 14, 2009 | Christopher Neefus

Posted on 07/14/2009 11:49:19 AM PDT by Mount Athos

More than a million small business owners and about two-thirds of the profits earned by U.S. small businesses would be hit by the income tax increase on the "rich" that House Democratic leaders want to enact to pay for the health-care reform plan President Obama wants passed this summer, a taxpayer watchdog says.

Ryan Ellis, director of tax policy for Americans for Tax Reform, told CNSNews.com he calculated that 1.09 million of 21.5 million small business owners would see a one- to three-percent surtax on their profits in order to fund the House of Representatives’ trillion-dollar health care reform bill.

While only about five percent of small business owners would be exposed to the extra charge, Ellis says two in every three dollars of profit made by small businesses would be subject to it.

Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.), chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, announced late Friday that Democrats want to enact this tax increase.

The plan reportedly would include a one percent increase in the income tax rate paid by individuals earning $280,000 or more and by households earning at least $350,000. Steeper rate increases of up to three percent would be imposed on those earning $500,000 and $1 million or more. The committee hopes these income-tax rate increases will raise about $540 billion for the federal government over a decade.

Small business owners would be subject to the income-tax rate increases because many of them report the profits of their small businesses on individual tax returns. As a result, the roughly five percent who make more than $200,000 a year would be hit with the extra tax.

Ellis said the Obama administration’s claims that only a few small businesses will be affected misses the point. “(T)hat’s what the Obama guys will always tell you. It’s a small, single-digit percentage of small businesses that would be affected by this, and that’s absolutely true. It’s probably somewhere between five and 10 percent … of all small businesses.

“But if you actually look at the small business profits being reported, two-thirds of all small business profits are reported in these households.”

Indeed, IRS figures from 2006, the most recent year reported, show that $479 billion of the $707 billion in small business profits was reported by households in the top two percent of earners, those earning more than $200,000.

Republicans went on the offensive after Rangel's Friday announcement. A spokesman for House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio) said, “In the middle of a serious recession, with unemployment nearing double digits nationwide, the last thing we need is a tax increase on small businesses, which will cost the American economy even more jobs.”

Blue Dog Democrats in the House also voiced some concern. Rep. Jason Altmire (D-Pa.) told CQ Today, “I have a concern with going outside the health care system” when discussing funding options.

“I feel like the House has moved this issue so far to the left we've taken ourselves out of the discussion entirely.”

But Ways and Means Committee member Rep. Allyson Schwartz (D-Pa.) told The Washington Post that “if (the bill) works right,” the high earners who pay extra taxes will also see lowered health insurance premiums.

Ellis, however, is skeptical. “If you’re a very successful company and you’re making more than a million dollars a year,” he said, then at “a three percentage point surtax, you basically have to assume that their healthcare costs will go down by 3 percent of their profits in order to even themselves out.”

“That’s just not reasonable to expect,” he told CNSNews.com. “(T)here’s not one example of where the government is going to go in and take over something and start spending money on something and then it saves money.”

Rea Hederman, assistant director of the Center for Data Analysis at the conservative Heritage Foundation, also said small business owners will not see their money back unless they force their employees to take the proposed public health care option.

“The only way they would see reductions in health care,” he said, “is if small businesses just say we’re not going to offer health care to our employees all together, and I don’t think that’s a direction that people want to go,” Hederman said.

While the surtax for small businesses may top out at three percent, Hederman said, “in percentage terms, the tax burden is jumping somewhere between four and a half to five percent, and this is going to be combined with the expiration of some of President Bush’s tax cuts.”

The health care surtax would come in addition to the scheduled expiration of the Bush tax cuts at the end of 2010, which will move the federal top rate from 35 percent to 39.6 percent.

In a statement, Thomas Hodge, president of the nonpartisan Tax Foundation, said total top rates, including federal taxes, could push past the 50 percent mark in some states.

“Combining top federal and state rates, and factoring in all deductions, the government would be taking over half of every additional dollar from high-income taxpayers in two-thirds of the states under this latest funding scheme.”

According to Hederman, “Unfortunately, right now, businesses are going to have trouble pricing in (these) cost increases.

“(So) businesses will continue to try to wring out as much efficiency as they can in the labor force, and that means cutting back hours and cutting back jobs,” he said.

A May 2009 survey performed by the National Federation of Independent Businesses, small business owners identified high taxes as the second biggest problem facing them, trailing only poor sales.

The tax increase, if enacted, would take effect in 2011.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
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1 posted on 07/14/2009 11:49:19 AM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

The Democratic Party. The Party of Unintended Consequences.


2 posted on 07/14/2009 11:54:03 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 (Forget going Galt. Its time to go Braveheart.)
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To: Mount Athos

That ought to be good for the unemployment rate...../sarc


3 posted on 07/14/2009 11:56:21 AM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: Sig Sauer P220

Can’t think of many things worse than raising taxes during a deep recession. Didn’t that happen during the beginning of the great depression?


4 posted on 07/14/2009 11:57:04 AM PDT by Nutmeg08 (Keep on keeping on)
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To: Mount Athos
The tax increase, if enacted, would take effect in 2011.

Think......RETROACTIVE............

5 posted on 07/14/2009 11:58:10 AM PDT by cbkaty (I may not always post...but I am always here......)
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To: Mount Athos

Yeah, dems, kill those who truly create jobs. Killing the golden goose. FRiggin brilliant. Too bad about half the population is so stupid and/or brainwashed, they’ll go along with this.


6 posted on 07/14/2009 11:58:22 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: Mount Athos

Just how damaging to small business is a 1-3% cut in income?


7 posted on 07/14/2009 11:58:30 AM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: Nutmeg08

AP Yahoo...”...will impose PENALTIES on individuals that FAIL TO BUY HEALTH INSURANCE...”

FU BO!! The US Govt is going to FORCE private American Citizens to have health insurance...

What have they done to our Country???


8 posted on 07/14/2009 11:59:28 AM PDT by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President! (FUBO!))
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To: Mount Athos

Going to happen anyway, when the bush tax cuts expire.
Then add all the new taxes... Then it will be 1928 all over again.


9 posted on 07/14/2009 11:59:33 AM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Mount Athos

My wife has a part time job keeping the books for a local small business. Well about 4 hours one day a week she does this. They have 8 employees and are struggling to keep the doors open. The owner is doing everything he can to keep from laying off anyone but he said that if any of the taxes the democrats want get passed the doors will be closed he won’t be able to make it. Guess this is what they want.


10 posted on 07/14/2009 11:59:35 AM PDT by engrpat (A village in Kenya is missing their idiot...lets send him back)
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To: Sig Sauer P220
The Democratic Party. The Party of Unintended Consequences.

I do not completely agree with that, I think there is certainly a component that is fully intended. They know full well this will kill jobs, and make tens of millions of people more dependent of the governmeent for subsistence.

11 posted on 07/14/2009 12:00:32 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: Sig Sauer P220

This has got to be stopped. I have been on the phone to my reps in both houses. I told them that if this was not good enough for them, then it isn’t good enough for me. So far I have got positive feed back from both Senators and my rep in the house.


12 posted on 07/14/2009 12:00:59 PM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: ex-snook

Very, because they’re twisting the language again, using “income” when they really mean “gross revenue” — which would wipe out 90% of most small business profits.


13 posted on 07/14/2009 12:01:40 PM PDT by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Travis T. OJustice

I simply don’t understand why “they’d” want more people dependent on government. Who is going to pay the bills?


14 posted on 07/14/2009 12:03:36 PM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: Mount Athos
"As a result, the roughly five percent who make more than $200,000 a year would be hit with the extra tax."

Those businesses who are actually making $200K these days are probably those who were making over $1 million a few years ago!!!

15 posted on 07/14/2009 12:03:39 PM PDT by BossLady ("WE are the origin of all coming evil" ~~ Carl Jung~~)
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To: Mount Athos
Tax on 'Rich' People Planned by House Democrats Would Strike a Million U.S. Small Businesses

the DNC will not like this article!

They hope to shut down more than just one million private sector businesses.

16 posted on 07/14/2009 12:03:44 PM PDT by NoLibZone (North Korea? The only buildings in Hawaii at risk of destruction are those housing Obama’s records!)
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To: Mount Athos

Taxing the “rich”...women, minorities hit hardest. Somehow I don’t think the AP is going to make that connection—at least not willingly.


17 posted on 07/14/2009 12:03:48 PM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: engrpat

Small Business is probably the most “solid-Republican” voting bloc around. The Dems are certainly picking a fight with this proposal.


18 posted on 07/14/2009 12:03:50 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Mount Athos; Taxman; Principled; EternalVigilance; phil_will1; kevkrom; Bigun; PeteB570; FBD; ...
Government control over every aspect of our lives can be dramatically altered by pressuring Congress critters to pass The Fair Tax Act(HR25/S296) that will replace all federal income taxes with a national sales tax and abolish the IRS. Fair Tax ping!


19 posted on 07/14/2009 12:04:11 PM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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To: ex-snook
Just how damaging to small business is a 1-3% cut in income?

Think about the difference between having a business and not having one. Now realize the taxes the Obumble is dreaming up would actually increase business costs more like 30 percent.
20 posted on 07/14/2009 12:05:21 PM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-Eyed Killer of the Deep)
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To: ex-snook
Just how damaging to small business is a 1-3% cut in income?

Multiply that by every other tax and it is a back breaker. Here is a thought, mind your own business and stay out of other peoples wallets. If you want the government to have more money then YOU give it to them, not me.

21 posted on 07/14/2009 12:05:27 PM PDT by New Perspective (My 5 yr old son has Down Syndrome, are you going to kill him too Obama?)
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To: Mount Athos

Didn’t these Blue Dog Democrats vote for Nancy Pelosi as speaker?


22 posted on 07/14/2009 12:06:24 PM PDT by ethics
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To: Sunshine Sister
I simply don’t understand why “they’d” want more people dependent on government. Who is going to pay the bills?

The more people dependent on the government, the more votes they control. Who is going to pay the bill? Rich people. Don't you understand that in their mindset, there will always be rich people they can tax the snot out of? They are call 'progressives" because it's a progressive march toward pure socialism for all but the ruling class.

23 posted on 07/14/2009 12:09:09 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: ex-snook
Just how damaging to small business is a 1-3% cut in income?

Folks here have to stop hyperventillating and think. First, this tax is net profit, after costs and deductions, of high income earners. Salaries for employees, if any, are already deducted as a business expense, so this does not take a dime from a possible emplioyee. A lot of these high income small businesses are the same folks we all complain about for operating high flying consulting and lobbying jobs where the income already came from government sources.

Caveat: I am not for tax increases, especially not to feed the maws of the feral gubmint bureaucracy. But folks need to do real reading and real thinking and real analysis.

24 posted on 07/14/2009 12:09:48 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: cbkaty

The Marxists know the economy will self-recover. They’ll wait to hit when it’s swinging back. Also, the mass of voting idiots will give Obama the credit for a recovered economy, just as he’s about to drive it into the tank. By then, the election is over.


25 posted on 07/14/2009 12:10:02 PM PDT by Clock King (There's no way to fix D.C.)
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To: ex-snook
Just how damaging to small business is a 1-3% cut in income?

On top of the 50%+ already in place, for MANY it will be the straw that breaks the camels back. In these times, ANY additional burden will wipe out a significant portion of small businesses. Now is the time to CUT, not add taxes.

26 posted on 07/14/2009 12:10:45 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: Sig Sauer P220

Unintended consequences? I don’t think so. This administration is doing exactly what they want REGARDLESS of the consequences. They have an agenda and the numbers to implement their Obamasharia.


27 posted on 07/14/2009 12:10:57 PM PDT by BigFinn (Isaiah 32:8 But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.)
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To: AndyJackson
A lot of these high income small businesses are the same folks we all complain about for operating high flying consulting and lobbying jobs where the income already came from government sources.

So what, the plan still sucks. Many are not included in some group you don't like, and their business and the people they employ will get screwed, and in the end, we all pay for it.

28 posted on 07/14/2009 12:12:44 PM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: Mount Athos; sickoflibs; bamahead

My predictions:

1. The Democrats will ram the tax increase through.

2. The tax revenues will go into the general fund and get spent on other items.

3. The Democrats will whine about underfunding as an excuse to increase taxes again.

4. Nobody gets health care. Everybody gets stuck with debt and higher taxes. [Well, except for the Congress critters and their families.]

Just...like...Social Security. And Medicare. And every other failed government program.


29 posted on 07/14/2009 12:15:17 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: Mount Athos
small business owners will not see their money back unless they force their employees to take the proposed public health care option.

And much of this is about exactly this. Private healthcare will be forced out of business.

30 posted on 07/14/2009 12:17:57 PM PDT by MarMema
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To: Mount Athos

People will LEAVE. Close up shop and leave. Bar room economics.


31 posted on 07/14/2009 12:19:06 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Fili et Spiritus Sancti.)
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To: ex-snook
Just how damaging to small business is a 1-3% cut in income?

Are you vaguely saying you support a Democrat tax increase?

32 posted on 07/14/2009 12:21:53 PM PDT by wastedyears (The Tree is thirsty and the hogs are hungry.)
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To: Mount Athos

Like I have always said what the hell good is me paying for others healthcare if there are no jobs?


33 posted on 07/14/2009 12:23:53 PM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: Mount Athos

Can I see Ted Kennedy’s, Bill Gates’, Warren Buffet’s, and Barack Obama’s recalculated tax payments when this “tax increase on rich people” is assessed?

Much of the Obama administration didn’t even pay “their fair share” of the taxes they’d already BEEN assessed under the law. We aren’t even talking tax shelters, these were outright dodges.


34 posted on 07/14/2009 12:24:13 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: AndyJackson
"Folks here have to stop hyperventillating and think. First, this tax is net profit, after costs and deductions, of high income earners."

Thanks. I read it like you. A lot of W-2 earners would settle for a 3% cut in income in these times.

35 posted on 07/14/2009 12:26:50 PM PDT by ex-snook ("Above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: combat_boots

“People will LEAVE. Close up shop and leave. Bar room economics.”

Obama: Making work not worth it.


36 posted on 07/14/2009 12:27:39 PM PDT by Gabrial (Obama Lied - The Republic Died)
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To: Mount Athos
Hmmmm. What we need is a . . is a . . . is a . . . I know!

A bailout package for small businesses!! brilliant!

Jeez, converting to Soviet style socialism sure is spendy!

37 posted on 07/14/2009 12:29:33 PM PDT by atc23
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To: combat_boots

Or, go into the black market.


38 posted on 07/14/2009 12:30:04 PM PDT by coydog (Proud to have slept through the Obama coronation!)
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To: Tallguy

The owner is a bedrock republican and several of the employees are big Obama supporters. They fail to see what he is doing to their jobs, and yes they will be the first to go and the least able to afford the loss of work.


39 posted on 07/14/2009 12:30:13 PM PDT by engrpat (A village in Kenya is missing their idiot...lets send him back)
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To: coydog

Good catch. Overlooked that possibility.


40 posted on 07/14/2009 12:31:20 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Fili et Spiritus Sancti.)
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To: coydog
Or take cash only.

FUBO

41 posted on 07/14/2009 12:35:42 PM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: AndyJackson
First, this tax is net profit, after costs and deductions, of high income earners.

No, it will be a tax on the employer for each employee. It will impact growth and jobs negatively at just exactly the worst time. But then Democrats have never minded as long it only involves the "rich".

42 posted on 07/14/2009 12:36:31 PM PDT by AmusedBystander (Obama needs to learn that you can't help 15% by ruining it for the other 85%.)
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To: Clock King
The Marxists know the economy will self-recover

Not this time.

43 posted on 07/14/2009 12:37:32 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Only feces and dead fish go with the flow.)
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To: unixfox

That’s why they’re trying to drive us to “cashless” so they can track every transaction. Look for alcohol, collectibles, black-market tobacco, drugs and ammo - anything small and valuable - to become big-time barter currency. These boneheads NEVER think things through.


44 posted on 07/14/2009 12:38:48 PM PDT by coydog (Proud to have slept through the Obama coronation!)
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To: Mount Athos
From the director of "Stimulus" and "Detroit Dreams" comes the next summer thriller..."WAITING TO DIE"...A story of hope and change where patients check in but they don't check out.

ROLLING STONE -4 Stars- "The eerie government health care bureaucrat, who is the arbiter of life and death (A dead ringer for Tom Dachle), puts on an incredible performance of sarcasm and plain carelessness".

Variety -A real tear jerker- "Watching company after company drop their worker health care benefits, due to the horrendous single payer plan being available to everyone, tugs at your heart strings."

NY TIMES Magazine "This movie will make your head explode watching Congressmen, Senators and the President coming up with every lame excuse what went wrong."

45 posted on 07/14/2009 12:39:42 PM PDT by frogjerk (C-NJ)
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To: rabscuttle385; Mount Athos; bamahead

I agree with your logic but politically many dems are terrified to tax us more because of 2010 election ala 93-94. That is what is making it fun to watch. Watch Ed Schulz on MSNBC from Air America 6 pm EST rant and rave about weak kneed democrats on this issue.

We know taxes will go up in 2011 automatically. Health reform? I bet anyone $1 that Obama will not get his ‘cover everyone bill’. He may get something less and call it a down payment.


46 posted on 07/14/2009 12:42:25 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Socialist Conservatives: "'Big government is free because tax cuts pay for it'")
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To: Mount Athos
Rep. Charles Rangel (D-N.Y.), chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, announced late Friday that Democrats want to enact this tax increase.

Democrats wanting to raise taxes. There's a shock.

47 posted on 07/14/2009 12:43:09 PM PDT by lowbridge (It's not that liberals are ignorant, it's that they know so much that isn't so - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Mount Athos

Exactly. The Democrat socialists frame this as a tax on “millionaires”, when the vast majority of filers at that level are small businesses. This will crush them.


48 posted on 07/14/2009 12:43:39 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: AndyJackson
“Folks here have to stop hyperventillating and think.”

I'll bite. A cut in my income means I have less money to invest in my business. Put another way, my planned capital expenditures are dependent on a net certain income after taxes. If I miss that, I have to cut expenses to make the same investment. That means cutting salaries or laying people off. The other option is simply not making the planned capital expenditures needed to grow the business. Either option stinks. I am sick of the government taking as much as they want when they don't lift a finger to help my business. My capital investment budget is about 5% of my total after-tax income. Giving 3/5th of that to the government is extremely damaging.

Think about it.

49 posted on 07/14/2009 12:47:01 PM PDT by Gabrial (Obama Lied - The Republic Died)
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To: Mount Athos

The Gov’t won’t get much of it. Certainly, most boobs in DC have no idea how the real world operates. The small business owners I know will be taking more vacations, attending more conventions, or taking on more inventory to keep profits down.


50 posted on 07/14/2009 12:47:49 PM PDT by PGR88
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