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Police chief denounces 'cowardly' iPhone users monitoring speed traps
Washington Examiner ^ | 7 Jul 2009 | Haley Peterson

Posted on 07/16/2009 5:04:30 AM PDT by KRyanJames

Area drivers looking to outwit police speed traps and traffic cameras are using an iPhone application and other global positioning system devices that pinpoint the location of the cameras.

That has irked D.C. police chief Cathy Lanier, who promised her officers would pick up their game to counteract the devices, which can also help drivers dodge sobriety checkpoints.

"I think that's the whole point of this program," she told The Examiner. "It's designed to circumvent law enforcement -- law enforcement that is designed specifically to save lives."

The new technology streams to iPhones and global positioning system devices, sounding off an alarm as drivers approach speed or red-light cameras.

Lanier said the technology is a "cowardly tactic" and "people who overly rely on those and break the law anyway are going to get caught" in one way or another.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia
KEYWORDS: cowardly; iphone; redlightcameras; speedtraps
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So, the DC chief (who has 290 red light cameras) is calling technology "cowardly".
1 posted on 07/16/2009 5:04:31 AM PDT by KRyanJames
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I’d like to know why it’s okay for troopers to consistently break the speed limit when they’re off duty.


2 posted on 07/16/2009 5:06:11 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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"It's designed to circumvent law enforcement -- law enforcement that is designed specifically to save lives make money."
3 posted on 07/16/2009 5:07:17 AM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: KRyanJames

>>”It’s designed to circumvent law enforcement — law enforcement that is designed specifically to save lives.” <<

That is bunk. These types of motorist traps are designed to generate revenue.


4 posted on 07/16/2009 5:08:06 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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To: KRyanJames
"I think that's the whole point of this program," she told The Examiner. "It's designed to circumvent law enforcement -- law enforcement that is designed specifically to save lives."

While I strongly disapprove of both drunk driving and reckless driving, and I don't drive after even one drink, the focus of the sobriety checkpoints and the speed traps is on revenue and not safety. If a driver is sober enough to use an iphone to get around them or cautious and alert enough to adjust speed based on those alerts, I'm okay with that.

5 posted on 07/16/2009 5:08:45 AM PDT by TurtleUp (So this is how liberty dies - to thunderous applause!)
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To: KRyanJames

He should at least call it what it really is...

Tax evasion


6 posted on 07/16/2009 5:09:12 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Hey, Obama! Where's my check?)
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To: KRyanJames

It’s counter intuitive. When/where the intention of speed traps is to promote traffic safety - wouldn’t knowing where a speed trap is.... make one slow down?

Stating the obvious, the point of many speed traps is for municipalties to generate revenue. Too bad they don’t have the guts to say just that.


7 posted on 07/16/2009 5:09:28 AM PDT by Made In The USA (BO stinks.)
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“law enforcement that is designed specifically to save lives.”

Law enforcement is not designed to save lifes. They have stated that. They are there to arrest you, fine you and fill out forms, nothing else.


8 posted on 07/16/2009 5:10:15 AM PDT by caver (Obama's first goals: allow more killing of innocents and allow the killers of innocents to go free.)
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To: Slapshot68

Their special


9 posted on 07/16/2009 5:10:20 AM PDT by John 3_19-21 (Tagline server crashed)
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To: KRyanJames
Yeah, we now have red light cameras everywhere and fairly common speed traps that we all know how to avoid. But we also have a lot of cops who will turn on their lights and sirens just to get across an intersection where the light is red.

Whatever, lady. Half your little "law enforcement" tricks are strong arm, big brother tactics. And I still think speed traps are unconstitutional.

10 posted on 07/16/2009 5:11:38 AM PDT by Desdemona (True Christianity requires open hearts and open minds - not blind hatred.)
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To: KRyanJames

Suddenly the old leftists are on the receiving end of “fight the power”, and they dont like it. Keep sticking it to them.


11 posted on 07/16/2009 5:12:56 AM PDT by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: Slapshot68

I’ve always noticed that.


12 posted on 07/16/2009 5:14:22 AM PDT by taxtruth
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To: KRyanJames

Ms. Lanier would be much more comfortable with a nice, soft leather pair of jackboots (with heels of course), maybe some epaulettes,and to top it off a nice Iron Cross. The capital of the land of freedom has the bodyguard of Joseph Mengele as its head law enforcement officer.


13 posted on 07/16/2009 5:14:26 AM PDT by domenad (In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
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To: KRyanJames

No, the system designed specifically to RAISE REVENUE, is what is “cowardly”.


14 posted on 07/16/2009 5:14:27 AM PDT by G Larry (Obamacare = Dying in Line)
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To: KRyanJames

This is cowardly but a cop hiding in the bushes with a radar gun is good solid police work


15 posted on 07/16/2009 5:15:02 AM PDT by slumber1 (Serenity Now!)
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To: KRyanJames
Lanier said the technology is a "cowardly tactic"

And hiding behind a bridge abutment or line of shrubs with a radar gun isn't?

16 posted on 07/16/2009 5:15:47 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (Achtung. preparen zie fur die obamahopenchangen.)
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To: KRyanJames

WHATEVER it is, right or wrong, it is NOT Cowardly! She is just a bitch trying to negatively label the users - the issue is unrelated to bravery in any sense.


17 posted on 07/16/2009 5:16:10 AM PDT by 2harddrive (then)
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To: slumber1

I damn thee for thy 45-second advantage!


18 posted on 07/16/2009 5:16:20 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (Achtung. preparen zie fur die obamahopenchangen.)
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To: KRyanJames
Our "Boys in Blue" heading to the donut shop! Protect and Serve!


19 posted on 07/16/2009 5:17:48 AM PDT by WVKayaker (Even stumbling blocks can be used for re-construction - Ernst R. Hauschka)
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To: KRyanJames
Speed traps are designed to make money. Having just driven through Charlotte, NC. and Columbia, SC, two of the nation's dishonorable mention cities for speed traps, I can verify that they had an unusual number of police assigned to the radar gun over the 4 July weekend.

National Motorists Assoc. have identified some of the worst cities for speed traps, and they are on this website:

The Worst Speed Trap Cities In The United States

20 posted on 07/16/2009 5:20:03 AM PDT by xzins (Chaplain Says: Jesus befriends all who ask Him for help.)
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To: KRyanJames

Now it’s “cowardly” to seek freedom from excessive government interference.


21 posted on 07/16/2009 5:24:50 AM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: KRyanJames

Everyone should time the yellow lights in their city/town.Lately,I’ve seen some reduced to 2 seconds which is illegal.3 seconds is legal.


22 posted on 07/16/2009 5:32:45 AM PDT by taxtruth
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To: KRyanJames

Did I stumble into a time warp??

This is kind of old news, isn’t it?


23 posted on 07/16/2009 5:32:54 AM PDT by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: keats5
FYI: In Texas it is not illegal to avoid DUI check[points. If the police see you stop before one, make a 3 point turn, and drive away, they do not have probable cause to stop you.

I think that's awesome.

24 posted on 07/16/2009 5:42:25 AM PDT by I Buried My Guns
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To: Slapshot68

why it’s okay for troopers to consistently break the speed limit

Just doing their job getting to the scene and protecting some innocent donut shop from excessive supply.


25 posted on 07/16/2009 5:46:10 AM PDT by dusttoyou (Remember the Alamo Tea Party - PALIN 2012)
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To: KRyanJames

26 posted on 07/16/2009 5:50:09 AM PDT by bondjamesbond (Don't blame me... I voted for PALIN!)
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To: Arkinsaw

where there is a will there is a way

http://www.gpsangel.com/?page_id=1&sid=


27 posted on 07/16/2009 5:50:14 AM PDT by bikerman (Buck Farack)
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To: keats5
Now it’s “cowardly” to seek freedom from excessive government interference.

The MommyState loves you and wants to do things to you for your own good. When you speak hateful things like that, you make Mother Pelosi and the police chief woman cry.

28 posted on 07/16/2009 5:56:21 AM PDT by MichiganConservative (Your government has harmed mankind more than all the evil done by evil men in the name of my God.)
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To: KRyanJames

One of our small towns in our shore summer resort area regularly parks empty patrol cars on a couple of the 25 MPH through streets. Since you never know if the car is occupied, it slows folks down without creating paranoia. So we can surmise that their goal IS public safety.


29 posted on 07/16/2009 6:06:19 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: SlowBoat407

Sorry SlowBoat...your name says it all!


31 posted on 07/16/2009 6:08:03 AM PDT by slumber1 (Serenity Now!)
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"She said, 'with the Internet and all the new technology, it's almost impossible to stop the flow of information.'"

I bet the Chinese government thinks the same thing.

32 posted on 07/16/2009 6:08:33 AM PDT by Tom D. (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. - Benj. Franklin)
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To: KRyanJames

LOL!! Reading about this makes me almost want to go buy an iphone.

“Cowardly?”
What a jackass. These pukes admit so many times that it’s not about safety, but revenue.


33 posted on 07/16/2009 6:10:27 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (30-year smoker, E-Cigs helped me quit, and O wants me back smoking again?)
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To: freedumb2003

“These types of motorist traps are designed to generate revenue.”

Yep, and they are working overtime. I commute between IN and NC every two weeks. The last couple of months I have seen huge increases in the number of cops with radar along the interstate highways.

I used to almost never see them, now they are everywhere. Every little town along the way has their cops out there.
They apparently desperately need the revenue.

Sad to say I have contributed twice. ;(


34 posted on 07/16/2009 6:12:41 AM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: John 3_19-21
Their special

Their special what? What about their specials?

35 posted on 07/16/2009 6:15:15 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: KRyanJames
I remember Saddam Hussein calling us “cowardly” during the war for using technology. That's the first thought that popped in my head.

These cameras do NOTHING but generate revenue. If the DC police chief says different she is a bold face liar.

36 posted on 07/16/2009 6:18:28 AM PDT by 4yearlurker (The ground at Arlington is moving & shaking.)
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"...law enforcement that is designed specifically to save lives..."

Crapola. It's not "law enforcement" It's revenue generation. I recently was ticketed for rolling (at driveway speed after braking) thru a stop sign at 5:15 in the morning. Cop was sitting 50 yards down a darkened side street watching the stop sign, residential intersection - not even a primary side street. I was probably the only car in motion for a mile in all directions. Did I come to a full stop at the stop sign? No. But this is still harassment and revenue generation. Pure and simple.

37 posted on 07/16/2009 6:23:57 AM PDT by wny
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This idiot is also about the biggest gun-grabber on Earth.

Imagine the poor guy that has to have sex with that.

38 posted on 07/16/2009 6:31:58 AM PDT by jmc813
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To: KRyanJames
"Lanier said the technology is a "cowardly tactic"

If you find yourself in a fair fight, then your tactics suck.

39 posted on 07/16/2009 6:36:00 AM PDT by Deaf Smith (I spent all my money on women & booze, the other rest I just plain blew.)
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To: I Buried My Guns
If the police see you stop before one, make a 3 point turn, and drive away, they do not have probable cause to stop you.

Here in Jersey I have no idea if it is legal to avoid them, but they usually try to set them up where escape routes are lacking, like divided highways with no turnarouds in visual range of the checkpoint. When approaching them (not having had a drink, naturally) I'm often tempted to try to turn off just to see what would happen. Have not done it yet.

But really, if that ain't probable cause, what is? It WOULD be probable cause to stalk you for a few miles, maybe?

40 posted on 07/16/2009 6:40:44 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: Slapshot68
The police are increasingly becoming highway "tax collectors" with guns. Put your hands up where they can see them.


41 posted on 07/16/2009 6:42:21 AM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: KRyanJames

I’ve been thinking about getting an iphone 3G S. this may have sold me!

Thanks for the post.


42 posted on 07/16/2009 6:42:52 AM PDT by the crow (typical and bitter)
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To: jmc813

“Imagine the poor guy that has to have sex with that.”

What makes you thin it’s a GUY...


43 posted on 07/16/2009 6:45:07 AM PDT by Leo Farnsworth (I'm not really Leo Farnsworth...)
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To: the crow

I’m not into tech toys, especially cell phones, because I need to wear my reading glasses to see them, but the iPhone is some cool stuff. Several of my interns have them, and I’m kind of jealous.


44 posted on 07/16/2009 6:45:38 AM PDT by Travis T. OJustice (I can spell just fine, thanks, it's my typing that sucks.)
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To: 4yearlurker
These cameras do NOTHING but generate revenue. If the DC police chief says different she is a bold face liar.

Not entirely accurate. They do increase rear end collisions when some people react to the shortened amber lights and the person behind them don't. Most locales shorten the amber lights when revenues are not up to their expectations.

There are very bad accidents at lights. They are the dreaded T-bones which are usually caused by distracted or impaired drivers blowing through red lights they did not see, not someone sneaking through a stale amber light or someone lawfully completing a left turn when traffic clears after the light has changed. I don't see how the red light cameras can fix stupid.

45 posted on 07/16/2009 6:47:45 AM PDT by magslinger (Inside every father is a Bryan Mills waiting to get out.)
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Of course police are never "cowardly"

Uh, the shooter is dead, guys. you can come out from behind the tree.

"Gilbert's bill to permit guns on VA campuses never made it past the subcommittee level, mainly because it was opposed by the state's universities and by the Virginia Association of Chiefs of Police.

46 posted on 07/16/2009 7:14:52 AM PDT by FreepShop1
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To: DustyMoment
This is kind of old news, isn’t it?

Yep. I just notice the date too, and remember this same article some time ago.

7 Jul 2009 | Haley Peterson

47 posted on 07/16/2009 7:17:43 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Jimmy Carter - now the second worst POTUS ever. BHO has #1 spot in his sights.)
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To: the crow

I wish AT&T would use their cell phone hopping data to detect traffic jams and help their iPhone subscribers find the fastest route to their destination. A cell phone company can determine average traffic speeds by the check-in activity of cell phones traveling between cells. Most everyone is already carrying a traffic reporter on them. It’s just the data goes unused. I’ve been using Google maps for traffic data but the quality is unreliable and imprecise.


48 posted on 07/16/2009 7:23:29 AM PDT by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: KRyanJames
All your iPhones are belong to us!


49 posted on 07/16/2009 7:32:19 AM PDT by GalaxieFiveHundred
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To: jmc813

Control Freak. She wants to be head mommy.


50 posted on 07/16/2009 7:34:55 AM PDT by Clock King (There's no way to fix D.C.)
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