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Vietnam: Catholics fined for having large families (Coming to America next?)
Union of Catholic Asian News ^ | 7/16/2009 | n/a

Posted on 07/16/2009 8:56:36 AM PDT by Pyro7480

Catholic villagers in Thua Thien-Hue province say they have tried their best to follow Church teaching on the use of artificial birth control methods in the face of the government's two-child policy.

Huong Toan villagers, just like Vietnamese elsewhere in the country, are required to have no more than two children per family since 1994, when village authorities launched a nationwide family planning program. Families with more than two children have to pay rice to the government as a fine.

Many local Catholics say they have done their best to remain true to Church teaching but some have had to resort to using contraceptives later on as they could not afford the hefty fines.

Catherine Pham Thi Thanh, 44, said that since 1996, she has been fined a total of 3,800 kilograms of rice for having six children.

Thanh, who produces rice alcohol and raises pigs to support her family, said she was fined 300 kilograms for her third child, 600 kilograms for the fourth, 900 kilograms for the fifth and 2,000 kilograms of rice for the sixth. Her children range from two to 15 years.

She pointed out that her family makes an annual profit of only 700 kilograms of rice from their 1,000 square-meter farmland the local government grants them....

Father Joseph Nguyen Van Chanh, Huong Toan parish priest, said 90 percent of his 1,200 parishioners have agreed to pay fines as a way to be faithful to Church teaching. Local Catholics are taught natural family planning methods during marriage preparation courses, he noted.

Some local Catholics said Father Chanh is asking for donations from benefactors to support local people with large families. Huong Toan village has about 14,000 people....

(Excerpt) Read more at ucanews.com ...


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KEYWORDS: abortion; birthcontrol; catholics; children; communism; contraception; contraceptives; fine; prolife; vietnam
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If Obama's cronies have their way, this will be the practice here.
1 posted on 07/16/2009 8:56:36 AM PDT by Pyro7480
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; NYer; Salvation; american colleen; Desdemona; StAthanasiustheGreat; ..

Catholic ping!


2 posted on 07/16/2009 8:57:37 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

Yep, if Holdren, among others, has his way.
Thank Margeret Sanger...


3 posted on 07/16/2009 8:58:03 AM PDT by cranked
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To: Pyro7480

For later.


4 posted on 07/16/2009 8:58:29 AM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: Pyro7480

The result of Zero’s policies will be to make having kids more and more uneconomicial. For example, Zero’s cap and trade, nationalization of the auto industry, CAFE etc will destroy the market for family cars/trucks. People will only be able to drive compacts and combined with the child seat requirements will make having more than 2 kids much more difficult.


5 posted on 07/16/2009 8:59:00 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: Pyro7480

We’ll beat them up. There are more of us.


6 posted on 07/16/2009 8:59:54 AM PDT by Tax-chick (When God-fearing women get the blues ... Free Republic!)
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To: Pyro7480

“If Obama’s cronies have their way, this will be the practice here.”

Unless you are a minority.

We need more wise latinas, don’t you see? /s


7 posted on 07/16/2009 9:07:33 AM PDT by FreeSouthernAmerican (I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: Pyro7480

You mean no more deductions for kids/dependents?


8 posted on 07/16/2009 9:08:33 AM PDT by stuartcr (Everything happens as God wants it to...otherwise, things would be different.)
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To: Pyro7480

God bless our Mexican friends here in America who will guarantee that this never happens here. They will save us from the genocidal AlGorians.


9 posted on 07/16/2009 9:12:32 AM PDT by gorilla_warrior (Metrosexual hairless RINOs for hopey-changey bipartisan-ness)
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To: Pyro7480

If people don’t voluntarily stop having more children than they can feed, the government (in any country) will have no trouble getting the political support to implement this sort of program.


10 posted on 07/16/2009 9:13:42 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker (Vote for a short Freepathon! Donate now if you possibly can!)
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To: Pyro7480

If Obama’s cronies have their way, this will be the practice here.

So I’ll have to send a box of Uncle Ben’s to the White House for each additional child? (or with Obama in office will that be cartons of Newports....)


11 posted on 07/16/2009 9:16:41 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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You've got it backwards:

To consider population increase as the primary cause of underdevelopment is mistaken, even from an economic point of view. Suffice it to consider, on the one hand, the significant reduction in infant mortality and the rise in average life expectancy found in economically developed countries, and on the other hand, the signs of crisis observable in societies that are registering an alarming decline in their birth rate....Morally responsible openness to life represents a rich social and economic resource. Populous nations have been able to emerge from poverty thanks not least to the size of their population and the talents of their people. On the other hand, formerly prosperous nations are presently passing through a phase of uncertainty and in some cases decline, precisely because of their falling birth rates; this has become a crucial problem for highly affluent societies. The decline in births, falling at times beneath the so-called “replacement level”, also puts a strain on social welfare systems, increases their cost, eats into savings and hence the financial resources needed for investment, reduces the availability of qualified labourers, and narrows the “brain pool” upon which nations can draw for their needs. Furthermore, smaller and at times miniscule families run the risk of impoverishing social relations, and failing to ensure effective forms of solidarity. These situations are symptomatic of scant confidence in the future and moral weariness. It is thus becoming a social and even economic necessity once more to hold up to future generations the beauty of marriage and the family, and the fact that these institutions correspond to the deepest needs and dignity of the person. In view of this, States are called to enact policies promoting the centrality and the integrity of the family founded on marriage between a man and a woman, the primary vital cell of society, and to assume responsibility for its economic and fiscal needs, while respecting its essentially relational character.

12 posted on 07/16/2009 9:21:52 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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0 will end up planting the seeds for CW2.


13 posted on 07/16/2009 9:23:35 AM PDT by Biggirl (Is 2010 President Obama's 1994?)
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To: Salvation

I suspect white families will be punished for having too many kids. Minorities and illegals will be exempt.


14 posted on 07/16/2009 9:23:45 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 (Forget going Galt. Its time to go Braveheart.)
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To: Biggirl
0 will end up planting the seeds for CW2.

Those seeds were planted some time ago. The green shoots are starting to break through the soil
15 posted on 07/16/2009 9:25:22 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 (Forget going Galt. Its time to go Braveheart.)
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To: Sig Sauer P220; FreeSouthernAmerican

I have my doubts about them targeting just whites. Heck, they implement this kind of nonsense against people in Third World countries, as I demonstrated here.


16 posted on 07/16/2009 9:25:44 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("If you know how not to pray, take Joseph as your master, and you will not go astray." - St. Teresa)
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To: Pyro7480

Numerical increase in population has little to do with economic development. But population increase that outstrips a society’s ability to feed and educate itself is most certainly the leading cause of economic underdevelopment. It’s also the leading cause of the emergence of tyrannical and totalitarian governments, as hordes of desperate people are eager to believe anyone promising to make their lives even marginally better, and can’t afford to think about principles or about the long term, because they don’t know how they’re going to eat or feed their children tomorrow. When you’ve got a population that’s overwhelmingly illiterate and they’re averaging 4-5 children apiece, obviously there’s no way even a bare majority of the next generation are going to learn to read.


17 posted on 07/16/2009 9:28:15 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker (Vote for a short Freepathon! Donate now if you possibly can!)
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To: Pyro7480

Naw... Muslims won’t allow it.


18 posted on 07/16/2009 9:33:19 AM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Pyro7480

I’m surprised the Vietnamese Gov’t fines them, I’d have thought they would just round up the Catholics and shoot them and their kids.


19 posted on 07/16/2009 9:41:18 AM PDT by glide625
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To: C19fan

I’d buy a school bus before I gave up on having a bunch of kids.


20 posted on 07/16/2009 9:43:09 AM PDT by samiam1972 ("It is a poverty to decide that a child must die so that you may live as you wish."-Mother Teresa)
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