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This is like a drama featuring Beria, Khrushchev, and Brezhnev. Who is a good guy? None. However, some are more dangerous than others, and they are fighting among themselves, which may not be a bad thing.
1 posted on 07/17/2009 4:50:12 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
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This is the first real sign that I’ve seen that leads me to believe the “uprising” is officially over. Rafsanjani is very measured here and leaves a lot of room for reconciliation

2 posted on 07/17/2009 4:51:56 AM PDT by wiseprince
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Rafsanjani could be worried that Ahmadinejad may run wild and go after his money and power unless he is checked somehow.
3 posted on 07/17/2009 4:52:17 AM PDT by TigerLikesRooster (LUV DIC -- L,U,V-shaped recession, Depression, Inflation, Collapse)
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a large group of Iranians had doubts about last month's disputed presidential election

Ya think?

This is not over. There are Iranians still protesting...and more importantly, IMHO, they are planning.

That's because George Bush's legacy endures in the Mid East, despite, and in spite of Obama, and THAT is Obama's real dilema.

It was George Bush's policy of direct engagement and support of liberty that has led to the people of Iran seeing the measure of freedom now established on both sides of them in Iraq and Afghjanistan...and desiring it for themselves.

Obama cannot possibly go too far in recognizing that, or he absolutely repudiates himself and his entire foreign policy.

So the fight in Iran goes on, even weeks after the major events.

Tipping Point in Iran July 14, 2009

Iran cleric criticixes Tehran regime, issues fatwa July 13, 2009

Thousands defy crackdown & protest in Tehran July 9, 2009

New Demonstrations bring new violence July 9, 2009

Clerics in Qum defy Khamenie, say election illegitimate, July 5, 2009

6/24/2009 - Not all fights on June 24th were losses - Iranian people take back streets from Basif

Others were not.

Eyewitness Account to Slaughter in Iran 6/24/2009

While brave Iranians are slaughtered in the street by their own government as they seek liberty, Obama disinvited Iranian officials to American 4th of July celebration.

Meanwhile, they are axing students to death.



Young Woman (Neda) shot to death in Terhran. 6/20/2009

Crowd Hunting Basij, Man shot. 6/20/2009




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7 posted on 07/17/2009 6:11:45 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (
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Large protests/demonstration in Tehran, July 17, 2009:

8 posted on 07/17/2009 6:45:54 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (
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The real question is which of these guys will be the first to leave the country and tap their Swiss Bank accounts.

10 posted on 07/17/2009 8:11:26 AM PDT by Old Retired Army Guy (tHE)
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Eyewitness Account from Today
July 17, 2009

We received a call from an eyewitness in Tehran who told us what he saw at the Friday prayer.

Before the speech began, people where chanting three slogans:

* Death to dictator, Liar, Liar
* Hashemi, Hashemi, take back my vote
Hashemi, Hashemi, we support you
Hashemi, Hashemi, silence will make you a traitor

* Honorable clerics, support (us), support (us)

They were saying the last slogan so loud that several clerics were touched and took green items from the people and raised them in the air.

A very unusual event occurred before Rafsanjani’s speech, when the head of the organization that oversees the Friday prayers (Taqavi) spoke. In Friday prayers, people are supposed to repeat what the speakers chant. Today, it was different. When Taqavi said “Death to America,” people responded “Death to Russia” or “Death to China” instead. Also, when he said “The blood in our veins, is a gift to our leader,” people said “The blood in our veins, is a gift to our nation.” According to our witness, “whenever Taqavi mentioned the name of the Supreme Leader, people would whistle and boo.” Typically, when the Supreme Leader’s name is mentioned people chant “salavat” (a phrase in Arabic meaning “peace be upon Prophet Mohammad).

* Our witness also said that “right before Rafsanjani’s speech, police used tear gas to disperse the crowd. People, however, did not move and started to make fires to reduce the effect of the gas.
* “About half of Ahmadinejad supporters got up and left in the middle of Rafsanjani’s speech.”
* East of Tehran University, it was so crowded that men and women were mixed up. (In Friday prayers, men and women are separated). Ahmadinejad supporters were telling them “you reek of infidelity.
* About 2 out of 5 people were holding Ayatollah Montazeri’s picture.
* Our witness, who was hit by a baton on his back, added “I was able to get away after I got hit once, but as I was leaving they were beating people ruthlessly.”

11 posted on 07/17/2009 9:37:26 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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Rafsanjani, Musavi, Khatami, Karubi, and Abtahi vs. Khamenei, his son Mujtaba, & Ahmadinejad

It’d be entertaining if it weren’t so serious. It still may be amusing though; the regime may yet fall apart.

14 posted on 07/18/2009 6:49:32 PM PDT by G8 Diplomat
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