Obama Health Bill: Those on Social Security - Mandatory Counseling on Asst. Suicide

Fred Thompson Show ^ | July 17, 2009 | Betsy McCaughey Interview

[Jim Robinson]

On Page 425 of Obama’s health care bill, the Federal Government will require EVERYONE who is on Social Security to undergo a counseling session every 5 years with the objective being that they will explain to them just how to end their own life earlier. Yes...They are going to push SUICIDE to cut medicare spending!!! And no, I am NOT SH—ing YOU! So those of you who voted for Obama have now put your own parents in dire straights...Congratulations!

Also, planned denial of medical care for seniors.

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[Jim Robinson]

Received by freepmail.

Thank you very much!

[umgud]

Normally I woulldn’t believe such tripe........ but these ain’t normal times.

[unixfox]

FUBO

[mockingbyrd]

Oh. Dear. God.

This is frightening.

[mojitojoe]

OMG!!!!!!!!! It isn’t like we didn’t know this was their agenda, I just didn’t think that they would blatantly admit it. I’m not meeting with anyone to discuss anything. They can KMA. They are spoiling for a fight.

[GnuHere]

This cannot be true of Our Dear Leader - did Jim Thompson plant this story?

[353FMG]

All congress critters should also be on SS. In fact, many should already receive counseling on the blessings of suicide.

[blueyon]

God forgive us! I am so mad at what voters have done! Here at Free Republic we can say, I told you so...but that is not very rewarding as we are going to suffer right along with the stupid voters that wanted if. Wish congress would wake up before it is to - to late.

[668 - Neighbor of the Beast]

If this is on the level, writing your representatives should be to demand 0bama’s censure if not impeachment.
Never mind trashing the bill. Trash the freak behind it.

[shankbear]

Is there a transcript of the show??/

[Dysart]

Will these lawmakers lead by example, or will they be afforded special privileges and separate rules from the people, what with their elite status and all?

[HungarianGypsy]

Somehow I picture some feisty old people will be giving these counselors a few things to chew on — if they don’t knock out the counselor’s teeth.

[Jim Robinson]

Rebellion is brewing!

[MamaDearest]

Yes...They are going to push SUICIDE to cut medicare spending!!!

The only thing missing from the democrats health plan is experimentation on captive citizens. The more we learn the more it is comparable to Hitler's regime.

[stayathomemom]

Another thread on this topic references a different page of the bill. We should verify this and make sure the references are correct.

[FlyVet]

Not that we, the glorious ones, would want to "encourage" you to commit suicide, or anything like that.

By the way, do you have some sort of "problem" with your goverment? Some kind of independent streak?

Do you own guns? Have an "arsenal"? A lot of guns and ammunition or something?

Do you know how outdated all that old thinking is?

Got a big garden, a root cellar? Do you like to grow and can your own food? Make alliances with your neighbors?

Hmmmmmm?

Do you get into holistic medicine? Got an old-fashioned General Practitioner town doctor in your life? What's his problem?

Maybe you're an "undesireable" of some kind.

Hmmmmmmm.....

[freekitty]

MANDATORY??????????

[jilliane]

He advocates killing on both ends of the life spectrum

[GeronL]

you are now useless eaters, congrats

[blueyon]

I’m in!

[devolve]

.

Pull the plug on Senator KENNOIL

[Tuxedo]

All persons whom we bring to this place are washed clean Winston. The execution of their sentences is relatively unimportant. By the time we are finished with them there is nothing left in them but sorrow for what they have done and love for Big Brother. It is touching to see how they love big brother...., George Orwell, 1984

[Jim Robinson]

i don’t know but here’s her page:

http://www.defendyourhealthcare.us/meetbetsymccaughey.html

[Rodebrecht]

Would you mind doing your patriotic duty?

[Woebama]

Betsy McCaughey is great. She actually reads these damnable socialized medicine bills. Says that cuts to seniors medical care is 1/2 of the cost of the bill. Every 5 years seniors required to be counseled on how to end their life, and if they get cancer they get counseled again.

[HonestConservative]

you betcha!

[Cementjungle]

So how many “counselors”, all being paid $90K/year (not counting benes, pensions, etc.) will it require to staff this little provision? Will they work on commission?

[Habibi]

It sounds bad, but if it’s all the same to you, I would like to see page 425. If it is all the same to you.

Does anyone have a link to this document?

[doc1019]

As a senior citizen: if they are going to include denial of medical care for seniors, why would I attend counseling … mandatory or otherwise.

If they plan on letting me die (without medical care) anyway, let them pound sand. :-(

[TurtleUp]

"I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art."

"Thou shalt not kill"

Liberals have forgotten or rejected moral truths that were obvious thousands of years ago. We need to pray for their enlightenment ... and fight to defeat their evil.

[SERKIT]

BOHICA taken to the terminus.

[glaseatr]

Need to save this for reading

[mojitojoe]

This makes me sick to my stomach. My GOD what is happening to our country? Every day of life is precious for everyone from conception to old age. These people are truly monsters and I hate the people that voted for this evil man. This cannot end well. We are in for some really scary times. I am losing all hope. I didn’t think I was capable of the hate I feel for these evil people.

[Desdemona]

Mandatory? For at least one Church, mine, suicide is considered sacrilegious. For Jews, I believe, also. I don't know about some of the others

This is simply outrageous and an affront to morality and common decency.

[shankbear]

Thanks Jim and keep up the great work.

[jilliane]

it’s only been 6 months ...what will be in store for the next 3 1/2 years?

[CaliforniaCon]

Re: “Somehow I picture some feisty old people will be giving these counselors a few things to chew on — if they don’t knock out the counselor’s teeth”

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Oh, that is so true — it won’t matter HOW the feisty seniors voted in earlier times, if anyone dares suggest they just give up a la “Obamacare” they will throw huge fits, sometimes violently! I’ve seen it in my own family.

[cripplecreek]

If you really cared about your grandchildren, you wouldn’t be soaking up all these medical resources that could go to them. LOL

[Tarpon]

Seniors are now shovel ready.

We are crossing the line ...

[mplsconservative]

0bama is vile and evil.

[SVTCobra03]

I am 62 and my widowed mother is 83. This pretty much crosses my line in the sand.

[Para-Ord.45]

Rahm Emanuel's BROTHER Ezekiel Emanuel was appointed as the Obama Administration Healthcare Advisor and has authored articles explaining in a dry bureaucratic tone that government run health care spending will be directed to those most useful to the state: " Because none of the currently used systems satisfy all ethical requirements for just allocation, we propose an alternative: the complete lives system. This system incorporates five principles (table 2): youngest-first, prognosis, save the most lives, lottery, and instrumental value.5 As such, it prioritises younger people who have not yet lived a complete life and will be unlikely to do so without aid. Many thinkers have accepted complete lives as the appropriate focus of distributive justice: “individual human lives, rather than individual experiences, [are] the units over which any distributive principle should operate.”1, 75, 76 Although there are important differences between these thinkers, they share a core commitment to consider entire lives rather than events or episodes, which is also the defining feature of the complete lives system. Consideration of the importance of complete lives also supports modifying the youngest-first principle by prioritising adolescents and young adults over infants (figure). Adolescents have received substantial education and parental care, investments that will be wasted without a complete life. Infants, by contrast, have not yet received these investments. Similarly, adolescence brings with it a developed personality capable of forming and valuing long-term plans whose fulfilment requires a complete life.77 As the legal philosopher Ronald Dworkin argues, “It is terrible when an infant dies, but worse, most people think, when a three-year-old child dies and worse still when an adolescent does”;78 this argument is supported by empirical surveys.41, 79 Importantly, the prioritisation of adolescents and young adults considers the social and personal investment that people are morally entitled to have received at a particular age, rather than accepting the results of an unjust status quo. Consequently, poor adolescents should be treated the same as wealthy ones, even though they may have received less investment owing to social injustice." http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(09)60137-9/fulltext?_eventId=login

[Para-Ord.45]

oops, i copied and pasted what looked like paragraphs but it came out in one big block :-(

[freedomwarrior998]

Here is the appropriate section...

15 SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION.
16 (a) MEDICARE.—
17 (1) IN GENERAL.—Section 1861 of the Social
18 Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395x) is amended—
19 (A) in subsection (s)(2)—
20 (i) by striking ‘‘and’’ at the end of
21 subparagraph (DD);
22 (ii) by adding ‘‘and’’ at the end of
23 subparagraph (EE); and
24 (iii) by adding at the end the fol
25 lowing new subparagraph:
1 ‘‘(FF) advance care planning consultation (as
2 defined in subsection (hhh)(1));’’; and
3 (B) by adding at the end the following new
4 subsection:
5 ‘‘Advance Care Planning Consultation
6 ‘‘(hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the
7 term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a con8
sultation between the individual and a practitioner de9
scribed in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning,
10 if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has
11 not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such
12 consultation shall include the following:
13 ‘‘(A) An explanation by the practitioner of ad14
vance care planning, including key questions and
15 considerations, important steps, and suggested peo16
ple to talk to.
17 ‘‘(B) An explanation by the practitioner of ad18
vance directives, including living wills and durable
19 powers of attorney, and their uses.
20 ‘‘(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the
21 role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.
22 ‘‘(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list
23 of national and State-specific resources to assist con24
sumers and their families with advance care plan25
ning, including the national toll-free hotline, the ad-
1 vance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal
2 service organizations (including those funded
3 through the Older Americans Act of 1965).
4 ‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the
5 continuum of end-of-life services and supports avail6
able, including palliative care and hospice, and bene7
fits for such services and supports that are available
8 under this title.
9 ‘‘(F)(i) Subject to clause (ii), an explanation of
10 orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar
11 orders, which shall include—
12 ‘‘(I) the reasons why the development of
13 such an order is beneficial to the individual and
14 the individual’s family and the reasons why
15 such an order should be updated periodically as
16 the health of the individual changes;
17 ‘‘(II) the information needed for an indi18
vidual or legal surrogate to make informed deci19
sions regarding the completion of such an
20 order; and
21 ‘‘(III) the identification of resources that
22 an individual may use to determine the require23
ments of the State in which such individual re24
sides so that the treatment wishes of that indi25
vidual will be carried out if the individual is un-
1 able to communicate those wishes, including re2
quirements regarding the designation of a sur3
rogate decisionmaker (also known as a health
4 care proxy).
5 ‘‘(ii) The Secretary shall limit the requirement
6 for explanations under clause (i) to consultations
7 furnished in a State—
8 ‘‘(I) in which all legal barriers have been
9 addressed for enabling orders for life sustaining
10 treatment to constitute a set of medical orders
11 respected across all care settings; and
12 ‘‘(II) that has in effect a program for or13
ders for life sustaining treatment described in
14 clause (iii).
15 ‘‘(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining
16 treatment for a States described in this clause is a
17 program that—
18 ‘‘(I) ensures such orders are standardized
19 and uniquely identifiable throughout the State;
20 ‘‘(II) distributes or makes accessible such
21 orders to physicians and other health profes22
sionals that (acting within the scope of the pro23
fessional’s authority under State law) may sign
24 orders for life sustaining treatment;
1 ‘‘(III) provides training for health care
2 professionals across the continuum of care
3 about the goals and use of orders for life sus4
taining treatment; and
5 ‘‘(IV) is guided by a coalition of stake6
holders includes representatives from emergency
7 medical services, emergency department physi8
cians or nurses, state long-term care associa9
tion, state medical association, state surveyors,
10 agency responsible for senior services, state de11
partment of health, state hospital association,
12 home health association, state bar association,
13 and state hospice association.
14 ‘‘(2) A practitioner described in this paragraph is—
15 ‘‘(A) a physician (as defined in subsection
16 (r)(1)); and
17 ‘‘(B) a nurse practitioner or physician’s assist18
ant who has the authority under State law to sign
19 orders for life sustaining treatments.
20 ‘‘(3)(A) An initial preventive physical examination
21 under subsection (WW), including any related discussion
22 during such examination, shall not be considered an ad23
vance care planning consultation for purposes of applying
24 the 5-year limitation under paragraph (1).
1 ‘‘(B) An advance care planning consultation with re2
spect to an individual may be conducted more frequently
3 than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant
4 change in the health condition of the individual, including
5 diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a
6 life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening
7 injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a
8 long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or
9 a hospice program.
10 ‘‘(4) A consultation under this subsection may in11
clude the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining
12 treatment or a similar order.
13 ‘‘(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ‘order
14 regarding life sustaining treatment’ means, with respect
15 to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to
16 the treatment of that individual that—
17 ‘‘(i) is signed and dated by a physician (as de18
fined in subsection (r)(1)) or another health care
19 professional (as specified by the Secretary and who
20 is acting within the scope of the professional’s au21
thority under State law in signing such an order, in22
cluding a nurse practitioner or physician assistant)
23 and is in a form that permits it to stay with the in24
dividual and be followed by health care professionals
25 and providers across the continuum of care;
1 ‘‘(ii) effectively communicates the individual’s
2 preferences regarding life sustaining treatment, in3
cluding an indication of the treatment and care de4
sired by the individual;
5 ‘‘(iii) is uniquely identifiable and standardized
6 within a given locality, region, or State (as identified
7 by the Secretary); and
8 ‘‘(iv) may incorporate any advance directive (as
9 defined in section 1866(f)(3)) if executed by the in10
dividual.
11 ‘‘(B) The level of treatment indicated under subpara12
graph (A)(ii) may range from an indication for full treat13
ment to an indication to limit some or all or specified
14 interventions. Such indicated levels of treatment may in15
clude indications respecting, among other items—
16 ‘‘(i) the intensity of medical intervention if the
17 patient is pulse less, apneic, or has serious cardiac
18 or pulmonary problems;
19 ‘‘(ii) the individual’s desire regarding transfer
20 to a hospital or remaining at the current care set21
ting;
22 ‘‘(iii) the use of antibiotics; and
23 ‘‘(iv) the use of artificially administered nutri
24 tion and hydration.’’.
1 (2) PAYMENT.—Section 1848(j)(3) of such Act
2 (42 U.S.C. 1395w-4(j)(3)) is amended by inserting
3 ‘‘(2)(FF),’’ after ‘‘(2)(EE),’’.
4 (3) FREQUENCY LIMITATION.—Section 1862(a)
5 of such Act (42 U.S.C. 1395y(a)) is amended—
6 (A) in paragraph (1)—
7 (i) in subparagraph (N), by striking
8 ‘‘and’’ at the end;
9 (ii) in subparagraph (O) by striking
10 the semicolon at the end and inserting ‘‘,
11 and’’; and
12 (iii) by adding at the end the fol13
lowing new subparagraph:
14 ‘‘(P) in the case of advance care planning
15 consultations (as defined in section
16 1861(hhh)(1)), which are performed more fre17
quently than is covered under such section;’’;
18 and
19 (B) in paragraph (7), by striking ‘‘or (K)’’
20 and inserting ‘‘(K), or (P)’’.
21 (4) EFFECTIVE DATE.—The amendments made
22 by this subsection shall apply to consultations fur23
nished on or after January 1, 2011.

[Miztiki]

I’m on Social Security. I’m sure I’ll be one of those “counseled” since I’m not worth the money spent on me. Just a drag on society...

Thanks for making my life feel worthwhile Obama! Thanks a whole bunch!

Kiss my ass too!!

[cripplecreek]

LOL that’s a tagline.

[goldi]

Listen to Betsy McCoughey who was lieutenant governor of NY under Gov. Pataki. She is a medical doctor.

[mlizzy]

Link to full document:
Health Plan

[plain talk]

My theory is they are throwing in some raw meat for the moderates to object to which they will then withdraw to show how ‘reasonable’ they are. They don’t intend to include such nonsense in Phase 1. No - that will be in next years bill when it will be easier to slide in all the ‘extras’.

[Woebama]

http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf