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Obama Health Bill: Those on Social Security - Mandatory Counseling on Asst. Suicide
Fred Thompson Show ^ | July 17, 2009 | Betsy McCaughey Interview

Posted on 07/17/2009 4:09:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: JrsyJack

>I agree there is no explicit reference to assisted but I feel the bill’s language may create an “opt in” requirement for life sustaining treatment.<

How much more explicit does it have to get?

‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the
20 continuum of end-of-life services and supports avail
21 able, including palliative care and hospice, and bene
22 fits for such services and supports that are available
23 under this title.


151 posted on 07/18/2009 10:12:28 PM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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To: Habibi

>“Yes...They are going to push SUICIDE to cut medicare spending!!! And no, I am NOT SH—ing YOU!”
Whoever said this is full of horse throw. Take a look at this, assuming it’s what’s being used for a source, and show me where it says anything about assisted suicide, let along pushing assisted suicide.
http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf
It would be wise to check the source before posting things like this. Otherwise, a persons credibility suffers.<

You have a different version apparently, and you didn;t read on to the next page.

page 426 sub e is quite explicit

‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the
5 continuum of end-of-life services and supports avail
6 able, including palliative care and hospice, and bene
7 fits for such services and supports that are available
8 under this title.


152 posted on 07/18/2009 10:15:14 PM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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To: Dysart

>”Assisted suicide” may not be found in the text of the bill;<

“end of life services and support available” certainly is though!


153 posted on 07/18/2009 10:16:38 PM PDT by Munz ("We're all here for you OK? It's a circle of love" Rham Emanuel)
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To: Munz

“You have a different version apparently, and you didn;t read on to the next page.”

On the contrary, I read page 425, and many pages thereafter. Please take the trouble to read what you have provided to me. If you would be kind enough, please point out where this legislation pushes assisted suicide, or even mentions suicide. I certainly don’t see anything that supports suicide. In fact, it is not even mentioned. Did you quote the proper section? I’m not finding it. Are you confusing palliative care or hospice care with assisted suicide? As you are probably aware, they are certainly not the same thing.

page 426 sub e is quite explicit

‘‘(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the
5 continuum of end-of-life services and supports avail
6 able, including palliative care and hospice, and bene
7 fits for such services and supports that are available
8 under this title.”


154 posted on 07/19/2009 12:22:51 PM PDT by Habibi
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To: Munz
I still see nothing in the sections of the law provided to me, that mention suicide. I could still be swayed, but what has been alleged (mention of suicide or suicide counseling) is simply not present in the bill. Sorry.

Is someone being mischievous by trying to put something over on you folks?

155 posted on 07/19/2009 12:31:04 PM PDT by Habibi
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To: Jim Robinson

As a new Senior citizen, I’d say over my dead body would this pass, but that is what they want.


156 posted on 07/21/2009 6:15:56 AM PDT by flaglady47
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To: cajungirl

Cajungirl, have you not read what Holdren, Daschle and Ezekiel Emanuel have written and said?

Should I send you links later?


157 posted on 07/21/2009 11:14:30 AM PDT by AliVeritas (Ez 38 Pray.)
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To: AliVeritas

yes, I read them but to translate their radical views into legislation that is on the verge of passing is something I have never seen.


158 posted on 07/21/2009 2:13:51 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl

just read the applicable part 3 times. i don’t see it either.


159 posted on 07/22/2009 10:41:46 AM PDT by wiggen
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To: wiggen

It isn’t there. THis is counseling on “end of life issues”,,medical powers of attnyyy, right to refuse treatment, hospice, palliative care.

It is already pretty standard,,everytime I go to hospital I have to refuse it.

It could be used to pressure seniors, to get them to refuse treaatment but they can and do already do that.

Some here consider hospice as “assisted suicide” and it may be but on the whole society has accepted the hospice premise.


160 posted on 07/22/2009 12:41:28 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: cajungirl

see? i wasn’t losing my mind and neither were you.


161 posted on 07/22/2009 12:50:01 PM PDT by wiggen
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To: wiggen

yep, no counseling for us!!!!


162 posted on 07/22/2009 1:06:22 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Jim Robinson

Let them come make me. I dare them.


163 posted on 07/22/2009 5:38:26 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Rebellion is brewing!
_______________
You better believe it. I have never seen people as mad as they are now. You don’t mess with people’s health and lives. Those things people will fight for, and I mean that literally. If people feel they have nothing to lose, it can get nasty fast.


164 posted on 07/22/2009 6:20:50 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Para-Ord.45

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is the sickest thing I have ever seen. People are going to go ballistic. BUY AMMO. It’s going to get real nasty, fast.


165 posted on 07/22/2009 6:24:00 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Where does it say suicide in HR 3200 I cannot find it.


166 posted on 07/28/2009 7:03:46 PM PDT by melcarney
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