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ATF to Tennessee: We're Above Your Law
Examiner.com ^ | 07/17/09 | David Codrea

Posted on 07/17/2009 5:55:50 PM PDT by Copernicus

The ATF - as expected - has issued a letter in which it disregards the 10th Amendment restrictions on federal power (as seems to be the trend since the late 1930) and has notified Tennessee’s federal firearms dealers that the Tennessee Firearms Freedom Act is meaningless. Essentially, ATF is saying to the state of Tennessee that the 10th Amendment no longer exists.

We expected such from a tyranny that no longer lives within the bounds of its express authority…

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Tennessee
KEYWORDS: 10th; 10thamendment; agenda; banglist; batfe; bho44; bootthebatfe; ccw; codrea; cw2; cwii; cwiiping; democrats; donttreadonme; firearmsfreedomact; jbt; lping; policestate; rapeofliberty; rkba; shallnotbeinfringed; statesrights; tennessee; tyranny
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People forget State's Rights effectively ended when Woodrow Wilson rammed through the direct election of Senators.

Best regards to all,

1 posted on 07/17/2009 5:55:51 PM PDT by Copernicus
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To: Copernicus

Jeez!


2 posted on 07/17/2009 5:57:56 PM PDT by Principled (Get the capital back! NRST!)
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To: Copernicus

bump ,, looking for the lead soon ,, it’s coming ,,, people getting all they can take of the FED’S ,,,,,


3 posted on 07/17/2009 5:58:07 PM PDT by piroque
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To: Copernicus

Yep. The states have no representation and the people have no control over the Senate. Since the 17th amendment, they are a rogue body of government, and answer to no one.


5 posted on 07/17/2009 6:03:03 PM PDT by kenth
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To: meyer

It’s happened before with them darn revenuers!


6 posted on 07/17/2009 6:04:09 PM PDT by FortWorthPatriot
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To: meyer
They're gonna back us old country boys into a corner, meyer.
7 posted on 07/17/2009 6:04:14 PM PDT by Markos33 (Third World trickle up poverty, will lead to cascading Third World tyranny.)
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To: Copernicus
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

(Sounds like a great name for a convenience store!)

8 posted on 07/17/2009 6:04:29 PM PDT by IbJensen (If Catholics voted based upon the teachings of the church, there would be no abortion and no Obomba.)
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To: Copernicus

CW2


9 posted on 07/17/2009 6:04:34 PM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 (Forget going Galt. Its time to go Braveheart.)
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To: piroque

simple answer to problem, new law

Any person who attempts to enforce any Federal Law without the Express Written Consent of the County Sheriff, Shall be Guilty of Treason. All persons arrested for Treason Shall be Tried immediately upon Arrest. The Jury shall be members of the Family or an agent or agents appointed by the person they are trying to enforce said Federal Law against. Upon Conviction Defendant shall be Executed Immediately.

problem solved


10 posted on 07/17/2009 6:05:20 PM PDT by eyeamok
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To: Copernicus

They’ll enforce their fed laws ONCE.

ONCE.


11 posted on 07/17/2009 6:05:44 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Copernicus

“State’s Rights effectively ended when Woodrow Wilson
rammed through the direct election of Senators.”
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It started way before that...


12 posted on 07/17/2009 6:07:55 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Copernicus

Well several states have now passed these things. Will be interesting to see when someone will start making firearms for sale only in the state of manufacture.
Only then will we know for sure how the federal courts will react to the Feds overstep of the Constitution.


13 posted on 07/17/2009 6:08:29 PM PDT by flash2368 (Scary Times)
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To: flash2368

Well, if you’re going to say that State law in effect supercedes federal regulation that violates the 10th,

why would you give any credence to a FEDERAL court that rules against you?

The legislatures should simply follow up with a law stating that federal courts have no jurisdiction superceding a state’s legislature when the matter at hand is internal to the state.


14 posted on 07/17/2009 6:12:36 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: Copernicus

They completely ignore the fact that the federal government claims that the “interstate commerce clause” is what gives them the power to regulate firearms and simply say, “Your law is void because we said so”.


15 posted on 07/17/2009 6:13:51 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Socialism is the belief that most people are better off if everyone was equally poor and miserable.)
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To: Copernicus

Statists only understand brute force. TN take note and take care of things.


16 posted on 07/17/2009 6:18:53 PM PDT by Sir Gawain ("Let every man make known what kind of government would command his respect" - Thoreau)
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To: Sir Gawain
I'm going to try to swing down to Barrett next week, and see how it goes.

I think a 50cal. would look good on the front lawn.

17 posted on 07/17/2009 6:26:39 PM PDT by dfwddr (fubo)
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To: Copernicus

Shoot, seat belt laws and all the other uniformity you find in the States in regard to transportation makes enumerated powers of the Federal Government a joke. They just use the Federal Income tax to suck dollars from the States, then demand adherence to certain guidelines in order for the States to receive back their sheckles. Pretty cool way to exert extra/constitutional powers on the States. They do that in a whole lot of ways. Federal Sheckles, rifled from the residents of the States are used to bludgeon the States into submission.


18 posted on 07/17/2009 6:27:10 PM PDT by DariusBane (Even the Rocks shall cry out "Hobamma to the Highest")
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To: Copernicus

We've seen the BATF Gestapo in action before, backed by the likes of Erik Holder (Janet Reno's houseboy) and a libtard prezident.

19 posted on 07/17/2009 6:28:26 PM PDT by RoadKingSE (How do you know that the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a muzzle flash ?)
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To: LimaLimaMikeFoxtrot

ping


20 posted on 07/17/2009 6:29:01 PM PDT by dfwddr (fubo)
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To: Sir Gawain
I think I'll pack up the truck with my arsenal and move to Tennessee. Better still, sell the arsenal, move to Tennessee, and buy a new arsenal of only guns made in Tennessee.

Then wait to see if any silly rodents become pests.

I had a run in with a rodent once.

Once.

:-)

21 posted on 07/17/2009 6:29:26 PM PDT by Gargantua ("Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people..." John Adams)
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To: Copernicus
Have the Tenessee county sherrifs arrest any ATF agents operating in their jurisdiction, and charge them with violating the Tenessee Firearms Freedom Act. Reference: The Sheriff: More Power Than The President
22 posted on 07/17/2009 6:37:36 PM PDT by sourcery (Obama Lied. The Economy Died!)
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To: Gargantua
buy a new arsenal of only guns made in Tennessee.

THIS is for you.

23 posted on 07/17/2009 6:41:03 PM PDT by dfwddr (fubo)
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To: Repeal The 17th
It started way before that...

I would say that Dishonest Abe Lincoln & Reconstruction had something to do w/ it. The Progressive Era of the late 19th & early 20th centuries can't be forgotten, though.

24 posted on 07/17/2009 6:50:38 PM PDT by ChrisInAR (The Tenth Amendment is still the Supreme Law of the Land, folks -- start enforcing it for a CHANGE!)
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To: Markos33
They're gonna back us old country boys into a corner, meyer.

"I didn't see nuthin'."

25 posted on 07/17/2009 6:52:08 PM PDT by meyer ( "The world is a beautiful place and worth fighting for. But not without Freedom.")
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To: IbJensen

ATFE. Don’t forget Explosives.


26 posted on 07/17/2009 6:59:11 PM PDT by VicVega (Join Jihad, get captured by the US and resettled in the best places in the world. I love the USA)
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To: Travis McGee; Jack Black

Ping.


27 posted on 07/17/2009 7:08:21 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Copernicus
Well, what did you expect?

If the Fedgov allows the various anti ATF state laws to stand, then the authority of the Fedgov is at an end.

They will destroy the first target they can. So do not buy a non ATF compliant firearm, no matter what the state law says.

28 posted on 07/17/2009 7:15:26 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: eyeamok
Any person who attempts to enforce any Federal Law without the Express Written Consent of the County Sheriff, Shall be Guilty of Treason.

You'd have to call it something else. Treason is specifically defined in the Constitution, and that's not it.

Otherwise, sounds good to me.

29 posted on 07/17/2009 7:17:27 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Copernicus
State's Rights effectively ended when Woodrow Wilson...

States don't have rights, only powers. People, and only people, have rights. But, otherwise, I agree. They act as if the "interstate commerce clause" negates the 10th amendment, even though amendment trump the main body of the Constitution, or earlier amendments, if there is a conflict. Not that there is. "Interstate commerce means buying, selling and shipping accross state lines. Nothing more. Manufacturing, growing, mining, etc, even for sale and shipment out of state, does not.

30 posted on 07/17/2009 7:22:09 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Eaker; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; ApesForEvolution; aragorn; archy; backhoe; Badray; bayouranger; Becki; ...
Hungry Hogs CW2 Ping B>CW2 Ping


31 posted on 07/17/2009 7:22:56 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: jdub; beckysueb

Tennessee ping.


32 posted on 07/17/2009 7:24:50 PM PDT by NellieMae (Here...... common sense,common sense,common sense,where'd ya go... common sense......)
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To: Travis McGee

another brick in the road to rebellion

“teach your children well”

not like CSN would have envisioned..lol


33 posted on 07/17/2009 7:31:47 PM PDT by wardaddy (Proudly Anti-Abortion, not and will never be Pro-Life...........Sarah Palin, there is no substitute)
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To: Copernicus

Defund the ATF. End the drug war.


34 posted on 07/17/2009 7:33:02 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: dfwddr
I think a 50cal. would look good on the front lawn.

Yea, one like this.

Much more effective against marauding revenuers than that little ole Barret.


35 posted on 07/17/2009 7:33:23 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: wardaddy

Teach them like in the movie The Patriot: “Aim small, miss small.”


36 posted on 07/17/2009 7:33:29 PM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Travis McGee
next it'll be the Blackwater Rod & GunClub...
37 posted on 07/17/2009 7:43:25 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: El Gato
he should make a pintle mount for it.
38 posted on 07/17/2009 7:46:35 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Repeal The 17th

10th Amendment-

“The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.”

17th Amendment-

“The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, elected by the people thereof, for six years; and each Senator shall have one vote. The electors in each State shall have the qualifications requisite for electors of the most numerous branch of the State legislatures.

When vacancies happen in the representation of any State in the Senate, the executive authority of such State shall issue writs of election to fill such vacancies: Provided, That the legislature of any State may empower the executive thereof to make temporary appointments until the people fill the vacancies by election as the legislature may direct.

This amendment shall not be so construed as to affect the election or term of any Senator chosen before it becomes valid as part of the Constitution.”

(-note- nothing in the 17th amendment restricts the authority of the states vs the Federal Government.)

What is difficult to understand?

Just because we have allowed the Federal Government to exceed their authority, does not make it constitutional.

The solution is to decentralize government and re-assert our rights as Citizens. We are not a dictatorship yet.

I have an idea of how to change the balance. Have Congress and the Senate “tele commute” and live in their district.

AMENDMENT XX

Passed by Congress March 2, 1932. Ratified January 23, 1933.

Note: Article I, section 4, of the Constitution was modified by section 2 of this amendment. In addition, a portion of the 12th amendment was superseded by section 3.

Section 2.
The Congress shall assemble at least once in every year, and such meeting shall begin at noon on the 3d day of January, unless they shall by law appoint a different day.

The law only requires that they meet 1 time per year. There is no reason for them to be in DC full time. No reason with todays technology.


39 posted on 07/17/2009 7:48:09 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (The last time I looked, this is still Texas where I live.)
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To: Copernicus

We had a governor who tried to go up against a bunch of gun toting Tennesseans once upon a time. The troops he sent showed up came and their commanding officer was promptly captured. This is about states rights as well as individual rights. Some federal agencies who believe they have authority to make up laws as they see fit need to be dis-banned shut down.


40 posted on 07/17/2009 7:54:17 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgement? Which one say ye?)
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To: El Gato
Title 18. Sect 242. Deprivation of Civil Rights under Color of Law. It's a Felony that can be punished by up to and including the Death Penalty.

It even fits the "crime" the BATFE is insisting on perpetrating.

41 posted on 07/17/2009 8:04:07 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (III)
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To: Copernicus
Gun show in Jackson, Tennessee, at the Fairgrounds in the morning. F’ the Obama’s ATF.
42 posted on 07/17/2009 8:04:49 PM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: Travis McGee

Travis,
if you are keeping the cw2 ping list,
please add me to it.
thanks in advance.
repeal


43 posted on 07/17/2009 8:10:17 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: Chode
he should make a pintle mount for it.

They have one for it.

And they go one better, it can be hooked up to CROWS, the Common Remotely Operated Weapon Station. So you can keep the vast majority of your body parts under cover.

44 posted on 07/17/2009 8:10:27 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato; eyeamok
The state attorney general needs to advise each sheriff, the state police, and the ATF that the AFT must go through the county sheriff or be subject to arrest.

Let's take this to the next level.

45 posted on 07/17/2009 8:11:19 PM PDT by LTCJ (God Save the Constitution - Tar & Feathers, The New Look for Summer '09)
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To: Jack Black

Ping.


46 posted on 07/17/2009 8:14:18 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: LTCJ
Some of Tennessee's larger cities and towns has some Limp Wristed Authoritarian Police Chiefs who think only they and their officers need guns. Those tyrants will be more than happy to assist ATF in every way on this matter sad to say.
47 posted on 07/17/2009 8:17:35 PM PDT by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgement? Which one say ye?)
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To: Copernicus

So what is Tennesse going to do about this: Sue the Feds..Arrest their agents. Becuase I’d like to see them act soon, and for us to get rid of Fedzilla!


48 posted on 07/17/2009 8:19:02 PM PDT by JSDude1
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To: Travis McGee

Travis, how did I miss being on your CW2 list? Please add me, sir.


49 posted on 07/17/2009 8:19:41 PM PDT by LTCJ (God Save the Constitution - Tar & Feathers, The New Look for Summer '09)
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To: ForGod'sSake

*ping (closely related).


50 posted on 07/17/2009 8:19:49 PM PDT by JSDude1
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