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Buh-Bye, Walter Cronkite: He Lost the Vietnam War for U.S. on TV, Had American Blood on His Hands
debbieschlussel.com ^ | 7/17/2009 | Debbie Schlussel

Posted on 07/17/2009 7:51:49 PM PDT by Sioux-san

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To: All; BuckeyeTexan

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NEVER FORGET

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WALTER CRONKITE =

Pictures of a vietnamese Re-Education (SLAVE LABOR) Camp

http://www.JourneyFromTheFall.com

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts

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NEVER FORGET

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151 posted on 07/18/2009 5:09:41 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Never will for as long as I live.


152 posted on 07/18/2009 5:12:27 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (I am Jim Thompson,Life is tough.It's even tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: fatnotlazy

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NEVER FORGET

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The blood of many poor S.E. Asian souls just drips from the sleeves of one WALTER CRONKITE.

Still..!!!

For the People of a once FREE South Vietnam to this day coninue to live enslaved lives, minus any Human Rights, in a now Communist Vietnam.

And those victims who were thus unwillingly sent to their Eternity ahead of time by the enslavers ...are now filling one WALTER CRONKITE in on the details.

For, our time in Eternity is spent as we lived here on the Earth ..either with the LOVE Itself ..or not.

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153 posted on 07/18/2009 5:22:12 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: DMZFrank
Don’t forget, the VC would NEVER have defeated South Vietnam alone. After their horrendous losses after the 1968 Tet Offensive, they were NEVER AGAIN a significant force in the fighting.

I would only add this little bit of information to that not as a correction but rather as perhaps a footnote:

From at least early 1964 on the stated military objective of U.S. forces in Viet Nam was to draw the Viet Cong out into a set piece battle where they could be destroyed. This is EXACTLY what happened in battles of TET 68 and the media at home turned the greatest victory of the war into a defeat in the minds of most Americans.

154 posted on 07/18/2009 5:22:22 PM PDT by Bigun ("It is difficult to free fools from the chains they revere." Voltaire)
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To: Sioux-san

I could never stand to listen to the commie bastard!


155 posted on 07/18/2009 5:27:07 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Justa

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Thank you for your CLARITY.

See “ALOHA RONNIE” Posts:

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156 posted on 07/18/2009 5:28:44 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Sioux-san

Somewhere in the archives of the KGB is a file proving that Walter was a KGB asset who worked for good old uncle Joe. I hope they build a urinal on his grave so we can all give him proper respect.


157 posted on 07/18/2009 5:38:07 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Sioux-san

Uncle Walter is like Nominee-in-waiting Sotomayor. Both proclaim themselves “wise”. And the American people unwisely must agree.


158 posted on 07/18/2009 5:40:12 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Cacique

Even if there, the historians will say there is “no corroborating evidence”. They discounted all the new info on Joseph McCarthy.


159 posted on 07/18/2009 5:41:11 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: dalereed

Dwight D. Eisenhower also admired Cronkite and submitted to a lengthy interview for June 6, 1964.


160 posted on 07/18/2009 5:42:22 PM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: All; SirJohnBarleycorn; Turret Gunner A20; Jim Robinson; do the dhue

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NEVER FORGET

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And now, even General GIAP gets it right:

Vietnam’s hero General takes on the Communist Party

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80091

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NEVER FORGET

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161 posted on 07/18/2009 5:49:28 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Theodore R.

Eiaenhower wouldn’t have ever made it above lieutenat if he hadn’t been sleeping with FDR’s daughter.

He was a lousy general and President.


162 posted on 07/18/2009 5:58:18 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: All; Finalapproach29er

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NEVER FORGET

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CLARITY =

ROBERT McNAMARA dead

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80063

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NEVER FORGET

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163 posted on 07/18/2009 6:06:21 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Bigun

“From at least early 1964 on the stated military objective of U.S. forces in Viet Nam was to draw the Viet Cong out into a set piece battle where they could be destroyed. This is EXACTLY what happened in battles of TET 68 and the media at home turned the greatest victory of the war into a defeat in the minds of most Americans.’

BINGO!! That was Westmoreland’s strategy. It worked out as intended. The problem was that the ONLY successful aspect of the Red’s strategy was to cath the US and their South Viet allies flatfooted, ala the Dec 16 1944 Ardennes Offensive. The press was able to transform this one tactical positive for the Commies into a complete victory, despite the fact that they held only one objective, Hue; for more than a three weeks.


164 posted on 07/18/2009 6:11:08 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

I prefer not to speak ill of the dead.

However, his legacy has been written.


165 posted on 07/18/2009 6:35:49 PM PDT by Finalapproach29er (A woman will be the next President; I hope it's Palin instead of HRC.)
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To: All; DMZFrank

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NEVER FORGET

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The Right Stuff that Lifesaver Vietnam Vets are truly made of:

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=55092

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=24361

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14752

http://www.ArmchairGeneral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=48215

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NEVER FORGET

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166 posted on 07/18/2009 7:03:49 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Gary Owen to you sir!! You embody the stuff that most of my comrades in arms and many Viet vets were made of, the fortitude that enables one to step up to do the necessary thing in the direst of times. Just like the kind of guys that saved my life on several occasions. Just like one of the greatest of them, a man that you surely knew well, Rick Rescorla.


167 posted on 07/18/2009 7:22:25 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: Finalapproach29er

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NEVER FORGET

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For the survival of FREEDOM...

CLARITY is EVERYTHING..!!!

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Dean or Alive.

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NEVER FORGET

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168 posted on 07/18/2009 7:43:30 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: deannadurbin
My own opinion concerning JFK's assassination is that it was a mob hit, but I agree that Crankcase was a fraud and a leftwing hack, and I will shed no tears concerning his passing.
169 posted on 07/18/2009 7:54:26 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (Obama is the anti-Reagan, he believes government is the solution, rather than the problem)
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To: Frank_2001

The media did the same thing when Sirhan Sirhan knocked off RFK. It was blamed on some kind of nebulous American propensity for violence and, of course, intolerance, even though Sirhan Sirhan was a PLO supporter and had worked for a mobster who was associated with Jack Ruby and another mobster who, along with JFK, was screwing Marilyn Monroe. That this is all coincidental, I find doubtful.


170 posted on 07/18/2009 8:07:12 PM PDT by attiladhun2 (Obama is the anti-Reagan, he believes government is the solution, rather than the problem)
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To: DMZFrank

Totally correct.

1st tour, we were doing S and D and RoadRunners against VC only, with occasional PAVN advisors.

2d tour, it was all PAVN with Sov and PLA advisors. They even brought PT-76 and later T54/55 south.


171 posted on 07/18/2009 8:23:38 PM PDT by MindBender26 ("Ok, so I screwed up... again. I'm 65. What are they going to do, send me back to Vietnam again?)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

I knew I would strike a very raw nerve when I made that post. It was not my intention to infuriate or depress anyone more so than now. My basic point is that life is too short for such bitterness and while we may never forgive and forget, letting go of the anger is the healthiest thing you could do. Trust me. Before my cardiac arrest last year, I was always angry and bitter. Afterwards, I realized that I had a second chance in life, and that it was time for me to calm down and adopt a better attitude toward life. I think I’ve survived very well by letting God make the decisions as to reward or punishment, either in this life or in eternity.


172 posted on 07/18/2009 8:27:58 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: fatnotlazy
I figure that he has appeared before God...God has looked over the ledger he keeps for all of us...and He has made his decision regarding Mr. Cronkite. Just as He will with all of us when our time comes. I’d rather just leave it at that.

A healthy attitude. With all that's going on in the world today, it's important to remember that "Vengeance is mine, saith the Lord."

173 posted on 07/18/2009 8:30:50 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: fatnotlazy

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Glad to hear you are doing well after such a serious health issue as your heart attack last year. I’ve been busy dealing with one in my own circle of close ones this year as well.

Thank you for sharing precisely what I also live by day to day. You have no idea what I have sacrificed in order to bring more Joy & Happiness to others. En Masse.

And you’re right, it does start with releasing all to the will of The LOVE Itself. Which for me commenced decades ago.

I have since seen that the one thing The LOVE Itself needs more of in this world is...
...more LOVE.

And that only comes when...
...people are FREE.

The seeds of America’s FREEDOM now being at great risk, in a new time of war, began when our FREE Press started to neglect telling the American People “Just the FACTS, Ma’am” during the Vietnam War.
Which I witnessed, during and after my being at that war’s 1st Major Battles.

http://www.lzxray.com/guyer_collection.htm

Most especially by TV’s WALTER CRONKITE, who later on publically called for America’s 11 Southern States to SECEDE from our Union.
A true mirror into his agenda driven TV reporting not delivered in America’s best interests all along.

Today’s American Media, that is busy now eulogizing his life, has been following WALTER CRONKITE’s lead in not givng the American People “Just the FACTS, Ma’am” Journalism. About a new White House’s push to acquire a lot more power over the FREE.

FREEDOM is, as FREEDOM does, I suppose..?

Without rest.

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174 posted on 07/18/2009 9:33:01 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: Sioux-san

If ANYONE misses him, I assure you it isn’t ME!!! Now if only Henry the K takes HIS long dirt nap. But yet and still they have had forty years and more longer than some 58,200 of my brothers did. Not to mention the MIAs that Henry wrote off so he could “end the war” and get his f*&%ing Nobel Peace Prize... And people wonder why I STAY pissed off at the Feds.


175 posted on 07/18/2009 9:45:52 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: RVN Airplane Driver

100% is all you’ll ever get PAID for, but the sum of your disabilities can surely climb WAY over that... It’s all in their little charts at the VA.


176 posted on 07/18/2009 10:08:50 PM PDT by dcwusmc (We need to make government so small that it can be drowned in a bathtub.)
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To: MindBender26

I knew an SF SSG who came north to Northern I Corp and was attached to the 75th Rangers with the 1st Bde, 5th Mech Inf Div. He told me unclassified stuff about SFD B-50 working out of Nha Trang’s Project Omega. He mentioned the Road Runner Teams there. Were you with that outfit?


177 posted on 07/18/2009 10:51:39 PM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: MindBender26

I knew they had PT-76 at Ben Het in 69, and the 69th Armor knocked out a couple of them. They had us doing more frequent coincidence range finder and fire control system checks and loading a bit more HEAT in our basic load in anticipation of anti-armor encounters. But I was unaware of T54/55’s over the border untill the spring of ‘72 and their victorious offensive in 75. Where did they bring up the heavier armor?


178 posted on 07/19/2009 1:35:50 AM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: dcwusmc

This will be a good weekend not to ever turn on CBS - it’s nauseating with all the crapspewing going on about Herr Kronkite. I’m with you, Brother - I stay angry. Nowhere else to go with these treasonous bastards. Henry the K is pushing hard for the Global One World Govt. I am sure he thinks he’ll have a seat at that table. He and his ilk grossly underestimate about 80% of the American people. We are not complete sheep....and I don’t think we ever will be. Now there’s my optimistic statement for the day!!!


179 posted on 07/19/2009 8:48:29 AM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: DMZFrank
NW IIICorps both tours. B-32 Hq at Tay Ninh (”Downtown”) 2/32 FA and lifts at Tay Ninh West, fwd resupply at FSB St. Barbara, field work north and west of there.

Roadrunners in the vills between Tay Ninh and Trang Bang areas.

Some work in cooperation with the SEALS at Go Da Ha. They were very anti-social MFs with great chow!

Generally the areas referred to as Fishhook and Parrot's Beak, and into Cambod from there when needed.

180 posted on 07/19/2009 9:23:15 AM PDT by MindBender26 ("Ok, so I screwed up... again. I'm 65. What are they going to do, send me back to Vietnam again?)
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To: MindBender26

Whoa. Unique history. You oughta write a book on your varied perspectives on the Vietnam war. I’m sure they would be MOST interesting.


181 posted on 07/19/2009 9:58:38 AM PDT by DMZFrank
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To: Theodore R.
Even if there, the leftist revisionist historians will say there is “no corroborating evidence”. They discounted all the new info on Joseph McCarthy.

Made a slight correction to your statement. You can certainly lie about history, but you cannot change the truth and eventually the truth comes out.

182 posted on 07/19/2009 11:11:08 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: DMZFrank
Strongly suggest reading “Into Cambodia” by Keith William Nolan.

It's an excellent read about 11ACR, 2/32 FA and the 2/5 and 3/4 Cavs in that area.

I had gotten my knee FUBAR before the official Cambodian Incursion and it was still draining from the debriedment surgery, but with my media background, ignored the medical orders and took some TV crews into the COSVN area. (We were all young, brave and stupid back then.)

We were getting off a Huey at Snoul when he heard a grenade go off. It turns out it was the explosion that eventually cost then-Major, later General Fred Franks (CG, VIICorps in Desert Storm) his leg.

A fragment from that greande also hit COL, later GEN Donn Starry in the chest. It was not too bad, but at first, everyone thought it was a fatal wound.

The book also has documentation on the great story of the former WWII enlisted infantryman, who in Cambodia was an O-5 CHAPLAIN, taking over as a Platoon Leader in the 11ACR for about a week!

183 posted on 07/19/2009 11:34:09 AM PDT by MindBender26 ("Ok, so I screwed up... again. I'm 65. What are they going to do, send me back to Vietnam again?)
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To: MindBender26

ERROR:

when WE heard a grenade......


184 posted on 07/19/2009 11:35:02 AM PDT by MindBender26 ("Ok, so I screwed up... again. I'm 65. What are they going to do, send me back to Vietnam again?)
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To: MindBender26
OCS, Knox?

I wanted Armor, but even after Armor AIT, if you had 2 years of college math, you got sent to Sill for FA OCS.

Ended up as as an 1193 and 5505/5525, PIO and Broadcasting Officer.

BTW, The real Adrain Cronauer (Good Morning, Vietnam) is alive and well, a lawyer in DC, and an outstanding Conservative!

Be well.

185 posted on 07/19/2009 11:42:43 AM PDT by MindBender26 ("Ok, so I screwed up... again. I'm 65. What are they going to do, send me back to Vietnam again?)
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To: achilles2000
The Congress stabbed the South Vietnamese in the back by cutting funding and U.S. Air Support.The South Vietnamese were holding their own up until then. The North Vietnamese were then able to build up their forces and conquered the South in 1975 if I recall my history.
186 posted on 07/19/2009 11:47:08 AM PDT by puppypusher (The world is going to the Dogs.)
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To: All; Sioux-san

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It may well be that...
the entire future...
of the whole Human Race...
may well hinge on our finally,

during this new 21st Century of ours,

...FREEing all the women of the world...
...into being all that they already are in GOD’s Eyes...

...and all that they can be...
while here on the Planet Earth..?

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187 posted on 07/19/2009 1:18:56 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

I hope you are right - too many of my sisters are willing to give it all up for very little or nothing to show for it. Including the so-called educated ones. They may not want to be oppressed by a man, but ready to invite Uncle Sam to take over their life. I hope I am not missing your point.


188 posted on 07/19/2009 1:50:17 PM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: Sioux-san
She makes the case well, without even having to mention the hundreds of thousands of south Vietnamese civilians and military that lost their lives when they were overrun by the commies.

I'm sure that the survivors want to thank Cronkite as well.

189 posted on 07/19/2009 2:04:15 PM PDT by meyer (Obama's failure is America's Success.)
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To: DMZFrank

Awesome post, DMZFrank!


190 posted on 07/19/2009 2:24:20 PM PDT by meyer (Obama's failure is America's Success.)
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To: puppypusher

Yes, they cut off war materials and support - the liberals wanted the South Vietnamese to lose.


191 posted on 07/19/2009 4:43:41 PM PDT by achilles2000 (Shouting "fire" in a burning building is doing everyone a favor...whether they like it or not)
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