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Curse You, Neil Armstrong! (Did he kill science fiction?)
Conceptual Fiction ^ | Ted Gioia

Posted on 07/18/2009 6:56:06 AM PDT by jalisco555

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To: Tallguy
>>Finally, we do have some really great speculation about genetic research (Michael Crichton), and so forth.<<

Michael Crichton’s book SPHERE was cr@p! So was the movie.

61 posted on 07/18/2009 8:58:32 PM PDT by Osnome
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To: verga; The SISU kid; WarriorPoet; Big Mack; RJR_fan; married21; iceskater; chesley; Little Ray; ...

Sci Fi Literature Ping


62 posted on 07/18/2009 9:07:15 PM PDT by Jotmo (Has 0bama fixed my soul yet?)
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To: Poe White Trash

>>>>> Contemporary Science Fiction is the most anti-American of genres for the lion’s share of this material is about how hellish the future will be. <<<

If by “contemporary” you mean “since about 1966,” you’d be correct. The feminist faction was especially annoying — Russ, Triptree, Leguin.
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Actually I was refering more to the entertainment, not the literature.
And my context is more from 1979 to the present.
Cyberpunk(William Gibson) is unAmerican!
Most sci-fi movies and TV in the last 20 yrs are increasingly made in a very unAmerican country that does not respect us- - I am talking about Canada.

Science Fiction movies and especially TV all seem to have a leftwing bent to me.
Science Fiction TV has always existed to shove some liberal messages down our throats.


63 posted on 07/18/2009 9:11:05 PM PDT by Osnome
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To: MamaB
I have always loved to read. As a kid, one of my favorite series was the Tom Swift books.

I still have a few of those -- although when I try to read them today, the abysmal quality of the writing is embarrassing. Especially the hero's knack for inventing new laws of nature when the plot demands it. Still, "Victor Appleton II" mentored my attitude towards science and technology. As a technical writer, my ability to venerate (suck up to?) engineers has been a career-maker.

64 posted on 07/19/2009 12:14:44 AM PDT by RJR_fan (The day a marxist becomes president, is the day that pigs will fly. Well, Swine Flu!)
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To: Tallguy
But the thing that really has killed Sci-Fi is the immorality of our present day. The best Sci-Fi stories were essentially morality plays. Not much call for that, apparently.

This article suggests that Sci-Fi is a branch of children's literature, the coming-of-age adolescent novel. What can be more alien to a boy who's just hit puberty than -- a girl?

Speaking as a Christian, I also blame dispensational premilennialism for its willingness to hand over the future to the devil. Our decision to become unpaid cheerleaders for the other team meant that we were AWOL when it came time to colonize the future with works of imaginative literature.

65 posted on 07/19/2009 12:19:06 AM PDT by RJR_fan (The day a marxist becomes president, is the day that pigs will fly. Well, Swine Flu!)
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To: Future Snake Eater
Yeah, because going to the moon and Mars is totally against God's will and His law...what are you talking about?

The first meal taken on the moon was the Lord's Supper. I pray for the day to come when I can step out under the night sky and invoke God's favor on descendants glorifying Him in their vocations on the moon, and/or Mars.

66 posted on 07/19/2009 12:24:31 AM PDT by RJR_fan (The day a marxist becomes president, is the day that pigs will fly. Well, Swine Flu!)
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To: jalisco555
Go here: Baen Books, some good books free. The rumors of sci-fi's death are greatly exaggerated.
67 posted on 07/19/2009 12:24:47 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: jalisco555

We actually had a speaker come to our school to speak about how he thought that people were falling more into fantasy now because they didn’t have the technical knowledge to understand SciFi, since technology has become so complicated. It was an interesting theory, but I don’t know if I buy it.


68 posted on 07/19/2009 12:27:45 AM PDT by Toki
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To: Toki

Well, magical thinking is closely linked to paganism. The Christian mandate to understand and develop creation leads to technology.


69 posted on 07/19/2009 1:23:55 AM PDT by RJR_fan (The day a marxist becomes president, is the day that pigs will fly. Well, Swine Flu!)
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To: irishjuggler
I don't think it is so much the other choices of entertainment as it the fact that our schools no longer teach young people to read.
70 posted on 07/19/2009 5:27:23 AM PDT by Big Mack (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat VEGETABLES!)
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To: whd23

The Ra Cra channel?


71 posted on 07/19/2009 9:17:18 AM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Osnome

Just think what “Star Wars” would’ve looked like were it released in 1967 instead of 1977.


72 posted on 07/19/2009 9:36:20 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Obi-Wan Palin: Strike her down and she shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.)
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To: Tanniker Smith

Yeah, a lot fewer spfx and rocketships that look right out of Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon.
Probably would have used more American actors too.

On that last point, Star Wars was made in Shepperton Studios and ‘2001’ was made in Borehamwood.
I think Space:1999 was also made in the latter.


73 posted on 07/19/2009 3:25:02 PM PDT by Osnome
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To: jalisco555
>>literary establishment has discovered Philip K. Dick. His novels are now included in The Library of America, and he represents a striking case study in how a once scorned author can be rehabilitated. Yet it is revealing that Dick rarely needed rocket ships to work his magic. While his peers were imagining trips to the moon during the 1960s, Dick had figured out there were other ways of taking a trip— ones that came packaged in little envelopes. His “alternative reality” concepts have held up well long after space exploration became passé. <<

That is the beginning of Cyberpunk right there, along with the Virtual Reality Thriller- - both of whom I ascribe as separate but related sub-genres of sci-fi.

The material is unAmerican anyway for they always postulate a dystopian vision of Americas future.

74 posted on 07/19/2009 3:29:06 PM PDT by Osnome
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To: jalisco555; KevinDavis
I have to admit the Moon lost it's luster for SciFi when we learned it tastes like Stilton.
75 posted on 07/20/2009 9:37:59 AM PDT by colorado tanker ("Lastly, I'd like to apologize for America's disproportionate response to Pearl Harbor . . . ")
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To: jalisco555

I believe in Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? Dick predicted the end of popular sci-fi stories once humans went out into space although there is a black market for pre-colonial ficton on Mars.

I remember being interested in science fiction in middle school but had no interest in things like R is for Rocket and Farmer in the Sky. I discovered PKD about 1981, a few months before he died, I think the first story I read was Father Thing and the first novel was ‘Flow My Tears,’ the Policeman Said which was a terribly interesting novel to me at the time I read it.


76 posted on 07/20/2009 6:03:37 PM PDT by Duke Nukum (I know writers who use subtext and they're all cowards.)
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