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Cronkite Dies & Liberal Love-In Commences
Flopping Aces ^ | 07-18-09 | Curt

Posted on 07/18/2009 9:23:11 AM PDT by Starman417

With the love-fest going on for Cronkite I felt the need to interject some reality into the situation. A few reasons why the man shouldn't be remembered as fondly as some suggest.

One reason....His part in ensuring that Vietnam would end badly for the United States by uttering these kind of words, and doing it on a nightly basis:

Who won and who lost in the great Tet offensive against the cities? I’m not sure. The Vietcong did not win by a knockout, but neither did we. The referees of history may make it a draw.

It seems now more certain than ever that the bloody experience of Vietnam is to end in a stalemate.

But it is increasingly clear to this reporter that the only rational way out then will be to negotiate, not as victors, but as honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy, and did the best they could.

He uttered those opinions of his after visiting Vietnam and the Tet Offensive. Words that were completely untrue.

Another reason....He was one of the first reporters to give his opinion while reading the news, and in so doing started a gradual erosion of our MSM to what it is today. A complete embarrassment on so many levels.

Lee Cary, a Vietnam Vet:

Today, it’s hard to fully appreciate the stature and status Cronkite held in 1968. He was the successor in fame to the demigod persona that had been Edward R. Murrow. When President Johnson heard of Cronkite’s comments, he was quoted as saying, “That’s it. If I’ve lost Cronkite, I’ve lost middle America.”

In January 2006, Cronkite said his statement on Vietnam was his proudest moment. When asked then if he would give the same advice on Iraq, Cronkite didn’t hesitate to say “Yes.”

At the time, Cronkite’s pronouncement added credibility and importance to all the network anchors. His was a stunning exercise of media power. But, in the perspective of history, the outcome of his pronouncement is not universally recognized as having been positive. He overtly and figuratively stepped out from behind the microphone to add his personal commentary to the news. We had not seen this before. By doing so, Cronkite issued an implicit license to his journalistic colleagues to interject personal opinions into their factual reporting of the news. The difference is that Cronkite clearly labeled it as personal opinion, while many MSM news personalities today weave their opinions into reporting. His sentiment registered with many, perhaps most, of his viewers that night. He changed opinions by offering his own. But in hindsight, his analysis was wrong – dead wrong for some.

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1 posted on 07/18/2009 9:23:11 AM PDT by Starman417
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To: Starman417

RIP. May Walter be in good company with the tens of thousands of soldiers he stabbed in the back.


2 posted on 07/18/2009 9:25:06 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: skeeter

actually I hope wally is NOT with the honorable soldiers and marines he stabbed


3 posted on 07/18/2009 9:28:04 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Starman417

The death of the great news god.......


4 posted on 07/18/2009 9:29:00 AM PDT by Nextrush (Sarah Palin is the new Ronald Reagan, I hope.)
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To: skeeter

May the rest of the lying “news” media join him ASAP.


5 posted on 07/18/2009 9:32:43 AM PDT by Clint Williams (Read Roto-Reuters -- we're the spinmeisters | America -- a great idea, didn't last.)
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To: Starman417

He belongs on a “most overrated” list.


6 posted on 07/18/2009 9:33:04 AM PDT by HelenChicago
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To: Starman417
This was and is my opinion also. Cronkite is in part responsible for the barrage of stupid opinions we get from people who studied Liberal Arts (news broadcasting) because they could not make it in occupations that contributed to society, not freeloaded on it. He would have made a great politician also, had he not struck pay dirt in the media.
7 posted on 07/18/2009 9:38:29 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Starman417

All I have to say is that we were a Huntley/Brinkley Report watching family.


8 posted on 07/18/2009 9:40:14 AM PDT by JohnLongIsland
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To: Starman417

He would have never gotten away with his lies if there had been an internet.


9 posted on 07/18/2009 9:40:31 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Starman417
They're just practicing for the day when Ted "Killer" Kennedy kicks the slop bucket...

Look out when that happens for Wellstone redux...

Luckily, my TV came with a channel-changer and an 'off' button...

10 posted on 07/18/2009 9:40:37 AM PDT by Zeppo (Save the cheerleader, save the world...)
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To: HelenChicago

I reckon he deserves to be on the great unknown list.
Outside of America, and possibly Canada, he was a total nobody.


11 posted on 07/18/2009 9:40:54 AM PDT by Jakarta ex-pat
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To: Starman417

The media has already canonized him as it’s secular saint with accolades like “trust”. “honorable” “reliable” “voice of reason” etc.

If the pen is mightier than the sword, his misuse of his anchor perch was perhaps as treasonous as that of Jane Fonda.


12 posted on 07/18/2009 9:41:27 AM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Starman417; Travis McGee; puroresu
I remember Tet as a 11 year old and Walter “That's the Way it Is” every evening and bodycounts and whatnot....theirs were always much higher.

But does anyone have links or quotes that Cronkite actually wanted to thwart the SEATO effort in Indochina or if he was simply wrong in his assumptions.

I realize he was not a right winger but the political divisions then were slightly different from today.

Political divides are not static or straight continuum

the irony is that back then i was an idealistic left leaning libertarian on many issues but like I said many things were not on our plate like today but yet we all thought the entire media both the three networks and print were staid establishment conservative...and that includes Cronkite.

there was no love loss between the media and the counter culture..aside from some weekly college rags

13 posted on 07/18/2009 9:45:43 AM PDT by wardaddy (Proudly Anti-Abortion, not and will never be Pro-Life...........Sarah Palin, there is no substitute)
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To: Starman417
My brother told me a story about meeting Cronkite in Boston in the late ‘60s when he went to college there. He said Cronkite walked over to Students for a Democratic Society booth and donated $50 to them.

That is all anyone needs to know about this traitor.

RIP

14 posted on 07/18/2009 9:47:19 AM PDT by jokyfo (JESUS CHRIST: The Light of the world... AMERICA: The light of freedom.)
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To: Starman417

From a VET. Good riddance. My he burn he hell for what he did to us vets.


15 posted on 07/18/2009 9:47:42 AM PDT by Exton1
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To: RWGinger
actually I hope wally is NOT with the honorable soldiers and marines he stabbed

Ah yes, but that would be heaven for the soldiers and hell for Cronkite.
16 posted on 07/18/2009 9:48:38 AM PDT by Locomotive Breath
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To: Starman417

Something to knock off the Jackson meme.


17 posted on 07/18/2009 9:52:03 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Starman417
I have posted this once today, but think it should be repeated..Uncle Walter isn't what some American though he was..Just an old Atheist like the rest of the liberal scum..

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1792972/posts

18 posted on 07/18/2009 9:53:44 AM PDT by PLD
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To: Starman417

I can see Wally now taking his glasses on and off repeatedly choking up as he realizes he’s staring Beelzebub in the face.


19 posted on 07/18/2009 9:57:41 AM PDT by Carl LaFong (Experts say experts should be ignored.)
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To: Starman417; IncPen

20 posted on 07/18/2009 9:58:12 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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To: Starman417

I agree. His defeatist statement, which was not true, is the only thing I remember.


21 posted on 07/18/2009 10:06:58 AM PDT by ataDude (Its like 1933, mixed with the Carter 70s, plus the books 1984 and Animal Farm, all at the same time.)
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To: Starman417

Cronkite love fest ‘remembering him’ = C L I C K


22 posted on 07/18/2009 10:09:05 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Starman417; Nextrush; All

That’s The Way It Wasn’t: Walter Cronkite 40 Years Ago Today (1968)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1977013/posts


23 posted on 07/18/2009 10:10:22 AM PDT by BenLurkin ("A new Dark Ages made all the more terrible and prolonged by the sinister powers of science.")
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

great post and very true.


24 posted on 07/18/2009 10:12:54 AM PDT by OldCorps
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

Very nicely done! Hope this makes it onto youtube!


25 posted on 07/18/2009 10:19:32 AM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Jakarta ex-pat
I reckon he deserves to be on the great unknown list. Outside of America, and possibly Canada, he was a total nobody.

Despite the slobbering over him by the cable channels, a heck of a lot of people aren't old enough to remember him, and many of us who are, are not the least bit interested in his passing let alone their inflated ideas of his importance to what passes for TV journalism.

26 posted on 07/18/2009 10:27:27 AM PDT by penowa
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To: wardaddy; ebiskit; TenthAmendmentChampion; Obadiah; Mind-numbed Robot; A.Hun; johnny7; ...
Many (all too many) Freepers would agree with this Walter Cronkite quote:
Objective journalism and an opinion column are about as similar as the Bible and Playboy magazine.
You may say, "What can be wrong with that?" and the answer is nothing - nothing but everything.

Objective journalism would be very different from some opinion columns - but, in principle, perhaps not all opinion columns. Maybe there is someone who writes objective opinion columns.

But it depends on your definition of "objective." If objectivity is the same thing as wisdom - and is there any such thing as "unwise objectivity?" - then a claim of objectivity made by a journalist (or by all journalists for each other in a mutual admiration society) is a claim of wisdom, and a claim of wisdom is (to put it charitably) notoriously unreliable. The very term "sophist," from which we get the term "sophistry," comes from the Greek and means "wise man." The term "philosopher," meaning "lover of wisdom," was developed to counter the pitfalls of sophistry coming from people who claimed wisdom.

So the point is that objectivity requires the conscious discounting of any self interested reasons you may want to believe what you are thinking, writing, or speaking. Thus, an opinion writer might say that "I have Apple stock and I use an Apple computer," before stating a favorable opinion of anything Apple. That would be at least a gesture in the direction of objectivity. On the flip side, it would also be a gesture in the direction of objectivity if that same person said that same thing, and noted that he could be speaking out of a desire to avoid suspicion of being a "fanboy" if he said something negative about Apple.

But would anyone care to attempt to find any instance of an "objective journalist" giving his hearers/readers any disclaimer which would help his audience to see any possible bias in the "objective journalist's" report? Since that is a rhetorical question to which the answer clearly is "no," "objective journalist" is an oxymoron.

Any claim of objectivity is a denial of the possibility of one's own subjectivity - and is therefore proof of the very thing it seeks to deny.


27 posted on 07/18/2009 10:43:17 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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To: Starman417

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/
July 17, 2009

Buh-Bye, Walter Cronkite: He Lost the Vietnam War for U.S. on TV, Had American Blood on His Hands


28 posted on 07/18/2009 10:52:36 AM PDT by preacher (A government which robs from Peter to pay Paul will always have the support of Paul.)
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To: Starman417

Finally, Michael Jackson is off the TV.


29 posted on 07/18/2009 10:54:46 AM PDT by Colvin (Harry Reid is a sap sucking idiot.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

I expect all the facts and not just cherry picked ones. I expect ALL the news and not just cherry picked news stories. That’s my gripe with the media.


30 posted on 07/18/2009 11:02:02 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

BTTT


31 posted on 07/18/2009 11:02:45 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: E.G.C.

I’m taking a moment to express my gratitude for the internet. If I were still captive to the networks for my news, I would have to put up with hours of phony reverence for Walter Conkite. Now I don’t have to see or hear a word of it. Is this a great country, or what?


32 posted on 07/18/2009 11:06:02 AM PDT by Kanzan
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To: DJ MacWoW

“He would have never gotten away with his lies if there had been an internet.”

They get away with it now. Look at all the brainwashed hoardes supporting Obama because of the MSM.


33 posted on 07/18/2009 11:06:04 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: wardaddy

It was more subtle until Reagan was elected, but we were still spoon fed the liberal apple sauce. They hated McCarthy, Nixon, Agnew, and Goldwater and got their point across.

I thought old Walter was going to bust his britches when announcing Roe vs Wade and when Nixon resigned.


34 posted on 07/18/2009 11:10:28 AM PDT by Luke21
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

nice essay but no one has offered anything to bolster the assumption that Cronkite wanted us to lose in Vietnam

i don’t know to be honest

“sophistry”...love that word


35 posted on 07/18/2009 11:14:08 AM PDT by wardaddy (Proudly Anti-Abortion, not and will never be Pro-Life...........Sarah Palin, there is no substitute)
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To: wardaddy

My “takeaway” from Cronkite is that he “called” the defeat in VN right after Tet, and LBJ took it to heart and also began to fight the war as if defeat were a foregone conclusion.

Then decades later, we find out he was a “world govt” mole since the 1940s!

To me, Occam’s Razor applies. 2+2=traitor.


36 posted on 07/18/2009 11:40:06 AM PDT by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Luke21
They get away with it now.

Not to the extent that they did. Anyone can get the truth online. Granted there ARE those who don't care what the truth is.

37 posted on 07/18/2009 11:40:46 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Luke21

And if the internet wasn’t a foil, the left wouldn’t be trying to shut it down or control it.


38 posted on 07/18/2009 11:41:38 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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To: Starman417
What gripes me is that FOX pre-empted most of O'Reilly (with Laura Ingraham, BTW) to run an extended "Breaking News" story about "Cronkite the Commie"...

BFD
39 posted on 07/18/2009 11:43:51 AM PDT by HotLead61 (Death as a Free Man is much preferred to "life" as a slave)
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To: OldCorps; Steelfish
Credit to IncPen. An oldie but goodie.
40 posted on 07/18/2009 11:56:09 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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To: Starman417

He was no hero of mine!


41 posted on 07/18/2009 11:58:53 AM PDT by lonestar (Obama is turning Bush's "mess" into a catastrophe.)
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To: wardaddy
nice essay but no one has offered anything to bolster the assumption that Cronkite wanted us to lose in Vietnam
Just like there is no proof that Harry Reid wanted the US military to fail in Iraq. And have I got a deal on a bridge for anyone who sincerely believes THAT!

In both cases the evidence of the desire for American defeat can be illustrated by the fact that they were saying what they would NOT, on any account, say if they wanted the opposite result. If you sincerely believe that Reid didn't want American defeat when he openly predicted it, just ask yourself what price you think Reid would have accepted to predict that the Democratic Party was going to suffer a debilitating defeat in the next election. Even Obama can't print enough money for THAT!

And the same thing was true of Walter Cronkite and Vietnam.


42 posted on 07/18/2009 12:08:50 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion

So typical. Liberals want us to prove other people’s motivations before advancing a point, while they give us hate crime laws.


43 posted on 07/18/2009 12:10:45 PM PDT by Luke21 (If it's the Asspress, it's usually a lie.)
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To: DJ MacWoW
I expect all the facts and not just cherry picked ones. I expect ALL the news and not just cherry picked news stories. That’s my gripe with the media.
You expect what never was, and never will be.

What you should expect is that reporters will not all be in cahoots. And that is something that has never been true in living memory. The AP was founded 150 years ago . . .


44 posted on 07/18/2009 12:12:06 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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To: skeeter

Walter Congkite


45 posted on 07/18/2009 12:30:23 PM PDT by Third Person (Practicing the conservation of conservatism.)
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To: Starman417

Fox News has been covering this non-stop as well. You’d think it was Roger Ailes or O’Reilly who had passed.


46 posted on 07/18/2009 12:51:09 PM PDT by Joann37
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To: BenLurkin

I remember that post.

That moment in 1968 was a defining one for Cronkite.

I watched the Vietnam special because I was interested in the Tet Offensive action as a child.

I watched Huntley and Brinkley every night, then later in the mid-70’s ABC with Reasoner and Smith.

Cronkite was horribly biased but a hardworking reporter who climbed over the competition to the “top.”

I will try to dig up the 1951 Washington TV Guide interview for some insight into Cronkite and post it sometime this weekend.


47 posted on 07/18/2009 1:43:43 PM PDT by Nextrush (Sarah Palin is the new Ronald Reagan, I hope.)
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To: Travis McGee

My 1st words about this old Commie Cronkite, hope the SOB likes his new hot home...no RIP for you!


48 posted on 07/18/2009 1:50:34 PM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Starman417

Leftists don’t believe in an afterlife. Lying their way through life is all they have.


49 posted on 07/18/2009 1:56:55 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion; IncPen; Travis McGee

Thansk for the ping/posts...especially IncPen’s classic; thanks for the post. BTTT!


50 posted on 07/18/2009 5:32:39 PM PDT by PGalt
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