Skip to comments.If we could get millions of Americans to march on Washington, what would we do?
Posted on 07/18/2009 11:30:17 AM PDT by Jim RobinsonEdited on 07/18/2009 11:48:33 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
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(continuing my remarks from prior thread)
Here is our recourse as declared by our Founding Fathers:
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
It cannot be denied that the central government has become destructive of our unalienable rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness and our rights to live free. The government is no longer responsive to we the People. They have stretched and shredded the constitution to the point that they have illegally seized for themselves virtually unlimited powers over the citizens and act as if we have no rights and no powers of our own. They are acting without our consent.
Our Founders established that when our government becomes destructive of our rights then it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
We have reached the point where the government's long train of abuses and usurpations has achieved absolute Despotism, therefore it is our right, it is our duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for our future security.
Therefore, We the People of America choose to exercise our right to throw off and alter the abusive government by peacefully recalling and removing from office the President of the United States, the Vice President of the United States and all U.S. Senators and U.S. Representatives effective immediately.
An interim provisional Chief Executive and congressional representatives will be established as follows:
The Secretary of State shall immediately assume the office of interim Chief Executive. The Chief Executive shall appoint and the interim Senate shall confirm an interim Vice President.
An immediate election shall be held within each state legislature to appoint two interim senators to represent each sovereign state.
A special election shall be held by all states within 30 days to elect interim members of the House of Representatives.
Elections for regular government offices shall be conducted in November, 2010 as previously scheduled, except that elections will be held for all elective offices, including President, Vice President and all U.S. Representatives. U.S. Senators will be elected per class schedule by the various state legislatures.
We alter the government to provide new Guards for our future security as follows:
The Constitution of the United States must be kept intact and must be adhered to and strictly followed by all government entities as originally intended. The government has stretched the constitutional limits well beyond those intended by our founders. We must take steps to ensure that this is corrected and that the out of control government is reined in and that sufficient measures are introduced to maintain the limits, checks and balances on government and that government powers are strictly limited to those enumerated in the constitution and that our rights are reestablished, reaffirmed, re-secured and safeguarded. We must restore and reestablish the sovereignty of the people and the states and restore the constitutional balances between the central government, the various states and we the people. The constitution severely restricts government powers and guarantees unalienable freedom and Liberty to the people.
As we restore constitutionally limited government several wrongs must be righted:
The central government has illegally expanded its powers. They've done this by ignoring or stretching their constitutional limits. They have usurped powers limited to the states and the people. We must reestablish and reaffirm the enumerated powers and limit the central government strictly to just those powers. They've built huge power bases by allowing senators and representatives to be full time professional career positions. We eliminate this by establishing strict qualifications for office and term limits.
We must reestablish and reaffirm the powers to the states and the people as defined by the 9th and 10th amendments.
The central government has denied the states their constitutionally guaranteed republican form of government by introducing the 17th amendment which alters the way the senators which were to represent the sovereign interests of the various states to the central government. We must reestablish that representation by repealing the 17th amendment and allowing the state legislatures of the various states to elect their own senators as intended by our founders. This was never intended to be a function of the people. We the People are represented to the central government by our elected representatives in the House of Representatives. The sovereign states were to be represented by the state's senators to keep central powers and encroachment in check. Power is from the people to the states, and from the states to the central government. They've turned this upside down and inside out. We must correct it.
We hereby repeal the 17th amendment.
The central government has expanded well beyond the limits established for it by the founders and pay for that expansion by directly taxing the people and severely restricting our rights through an enslaving income tax.
We hereby repeal the 16th amendment.
The IRS and all sub departments and agencies are hereby dissolved, disbanded and closed.
The newly elected congress will establish rules and schedules for assessing and collecting fees, tariffs and excise taxes to support the armed forces and all constitutionally authorized departments of The United States Government per the Constitution of the United States (see schedule).
The central government is hereby stripped of all illegal powers and all departments and agencies not authorized by the constitution are hereby dissolved and disbanded. Their current budgets are hereby withdrawn. All disbanded department funds and liquid assets are to be immediately returned to the US Treasury. A list and methods for achieving this is provided in schedule xxx.
Ownership and responsibility for all federally held buildings, lands, parks, waterways, oceans, seas, etc, other than those in Washington, D.C. or military bases, forts, reservations, or local federal buildings owned by valid constitutional federal departments (see schedule) are hereby transferred to the sovereign state governments within which they reside or are located.
Responsibility for all natural resources found within any of the various states or within lands, oceans, lakes, rivers, waterways, seas out through our international boundary limits are hereby returned to the various states. All laws for mining, drilling, logging, or otherwise capitalizing on any minerals or natural resources are to be determined by the various states within which said resources are found.
The social security system is hereby dissolved, disbanded and closed. All social security funds being held by the federal government are to be returned to the private retirement accounts of the individuals owning them. A special fund will be establish for all current recipients and new recipients according to schedule xxy and the social security system shall be phased out accordingly. The funds to support current social security benefits shall become the responsibility of the states within which the recipients reside.
No revenues accruing to the federal government shall be disbursed to any state, city or local government for any reason whatsoever. Or used to subsidize or benefit any government or private entity, organization or person, other than those explicitly authorized and enumerated in the constitution.
All states are hereby solely responsible for any and all revenues or funds required to operate their sovereign states. The central government is not obligated to and shall not interfere in state government or local affairs.
The interstate commerce clause shall be applied strictly to regulating interstate commerce as originally established and intended by our founders. No stretches or reinterpretations of any kind shall be allowed.
Our first unalienable right is the right to life. Protecting Life and Liberty shall be of paramount importance to our central government. Roe v Wade and all congressional acts, regulations, court opinions allowing legalized abortion or the taking of innocent human life are hereby rescinded, overruled, repealed, nullified and voided. Life is fully protected by the U.S. Government.
The Federal Reserve.
FAA, FDA, FCC, various federal ABC departments agencies and agencies. Which to close, which to remake with constitutional limits and authority, etc.
Etc, etc, etc.
Need lots of help with this document, folks. Please chime in. Would love to see a committee formed of members of every state to complete and finalize it. Then we should form and send delegates to a special national congress to work out the kinks and plan its presentation and execution.
This concept is an entirely peaceful altering of our despotic government per our unalienable right and duty. No where do I call for violence. The only force I call for is the force of numbers. We need millions of our citizens to sign on to this petition and execute its provisions. Will require millions to march on D.C. to block the government's ability to do business as usual. This is our right and duty as Americans.
Non-citizens have been exemplary warriors and no more a security risk than natives for many years, especially in the USMC.
I think I will continue reading it pass after pass and refining it and incorporating the ideas of people much smart than myself until we develop a document, or a concept that has a chance of succeeding. The succeeding concept will probably include the vast support of the majority of the people and of the sovereign states of America or it won’t succeed at all.
As it is, the states and the people are all headed for bankruptcy forced upon us by Marxist fools, and our beloved country is headed for total collapse.
Yes, and the fools who said the USSR would never collapse under its own weight are the very same fools and useful idiots pushing now for the very same Marxist programs and policies that brought that great Marxist totalitarian state and world superpower down. Marxism always leads to the same place. Even for great superpowers.
I hear you. But if they are corrupt by nature, how will we make heard our voices with new elections? Will they not resort to the same tactics with the same results? How can we prevent it?
I’m caught in circular thought on this one. They are corrupt. They seek to corrupt. They will always seek to corrupt.
Reasonable fears, well articulated. Good job.
Forget your long-winded rambling. Let’s get back to Jim Robinson’s quote at the top of your post.
They’ll consider a full auto a weapon of mass destruction as they have a fire rate of a few hundred rounds a minute.
Definitely needs to be more specific.
I don't care what that homo Chris Parry writes or thinks. I am fomenting rebellion.
Who's with me?
I’m good with that answer. I can support you in this effort knowing that you’re open to further revisions and interpretations by many voices.
I think that’s quoting the Declaration of Independence. I pray we’re not so far down the totalitarian road that they’re hanging people for quoting our founding fathers.
They will not just walk away from the machine they have spent the better part of the last 75 years buliding.........Not without a fight.
“A people unwilling to use extreme violent force to preserve or obtain their liberty deserves the tyrants that rule them.”
I’m afraid Jim we must wait for our soldiers in uniform and veterans to save the republic.
Most revolutions are started by the military, ours will be no different.
At some point I think Obama will order troops to fire on conservatives marching in the streets for freedom, that will be the start.
Just look at what recently happened in South America.
Finally, someone who understand that organizing for media attention is a waste of time. They are not interested in our message or capable of delivering it - with a few exceptions, they are the enemy.
Well, we can’t foment rebellion without a FaceBook Group Page, it just wouldn’t work.
I share your concerns.
Not a man lives on the continent but fully believes that a separation must some time or other finally take place, and a generous parent should have said, “It there must be trouble, let it be in my day that my child may have peace,” and this single reflection, well applied, is sufficient to awaken every man to duty. ``Thomas Paine, The Crisis, Dec. 23, 1776
Please don’t mistake my comments to mean that I wouldn’t stand up and bash in the enemy’s skulls with my bare hands if that became the necessary and correct course of action. I don’t fear violence; I avoid it unless and until there is no other course of action.
I think you and anyone else who thinks that peaceful change can happen in this country from this point forward is absolutely kidding yourself.
You forget that the current illegal occupier of the White House told his supporters during the campaign to "get in our faces" and make the race a "street fight."
He ain't leaving peacefully, nor will his supporters sit by quietly. They're prepared to fight. The question is, is our side prepared to meet fire with fire?
I certainly mean no offense to you with the following statement because I've read your post and think you're a thoughtful person. But my opinion is this: the time to analyze the situation to death is long since over. I think the founding fathers would've been done by now. There's no way they'd have put up with the CRAP this government has been doling out to you and I for decades now. When you think about it, our Founding Fathers declared our Independence over far less than the absolute bullshit this Government subjects you and I to every day.
I think if the founding fathers were here, there would've been 537 tarred, feathered, dead, rotting corpses swinging from the steps of OUR Capital a long time ago.
These dirty, filthy, corrupt BASTARDS that occupy OUR House, Senate and White House think you and I exist to serve them. They've long since forgotten that THEY WORK FOR US.
I say it's time to remind them using the very methods and spirt that our Founding Fathers would have. There is a reason we have the Second Amendment, and it's to protect us from the TYRANNICAL Government that we have now.
Enough is enough. I don't know how old you are but I'm 46. My sons are 10 and 12 years old. Either we have this revolution NOW and clean up the mess that infests Washington DC, or my sons (and maybe yours) will have to do it because we were COWARDS at this point in history and wouldn't do the job.
I don't know about you, but there's no way I want my sons to have to fight for me because I was too much of a COWARD to fight for them.
I'm not getting any younger, neither is the rest of us. IMO this "President" has declared WAR on each and every one of us hard working, tax paying citizens in this country. He seeks to take the fruits of OUR labors by theft of legislation, to give them to his ACORN thug constituency.
What's worse is this ASSHOLE that sits in the White House has spent $2 TRILLION dollars we didn't have, and enslaved you, I, my sons and my grandchildren into indentured servitude to the damn' Chinese to pay back HIS debt.
No sir. I draw the line. Enough is enough. This asshole has to go, and so do the dirty, rotten, corrupt thieving bastards in Congress (Every damn' one of 'em!) that have enabled this kind of behavior from OUR Government for decades now.
Our Constitution means something. It's not "just words."
Finally, my question back to you (because I do view you as a thoughtful person) is this:
If not now, when? If not us, who?
(And for those of you on DailyKos, DU, where ever, that don't like what I just wrote - you can kiss my Conservative ASS.)
My only reservation is the fact that the majority is not with us. They are deluded and believe the lies of this government.
“If the entire military and all law enforcement decided to side against the citizenry and Constitution (fat chance) theyd still be outnumbered 10 to one.”
You have a strong point. Thanks for posting that.
I was wondering when this kind of thing would get started.
For Border Security. Specific mandates should be placed on the Attorney General to prosecute entities who employ illegal aliens and to prosecute the aliens themselves.
The principle of deterrence will take care of much of the problem from there, if prosecution is done in the right way.
I’m not only not with you, I’m against you. If it comes to rebellion, I’m picking off as many rebels as I can until support either comes my way or the scumbags get me. This is exactly why I told Jim that I could not get behind his idea. He might not think he’s fomenting rebellion, but I know that your ilk would take over the reigns of any million man march in short order.
I was with ya until I ead this:
“The Secretary of State shall immediately assume the office of interim Chief Executive.”
Sorry, but a protest march-and-demand session would be pointless if it put Hillary in charge, which is what this statement is saying.
When they ask, “Why are you here,” we can just say, “We’re here to throw you bums out.”
Now the DUmpsters think FR should be banned as a hate site:
Correction-”monitored by the FBI”, but I bet some of them would like to ban FR.
No offense taken. See my comment at #316.
I’m 39. Two children: daughter (13) and a son (8).
I’m fully prepared to fight and to be totally honest, some days I have to restrain myself from taking that action. I’m just not yet convinced that reforming and reducing the current system of government cannot be done without violence.
And I don’t think JimRob is ready to concede violence yet either. I’m speakingn for him so I’m sure he’ll correct me if I mispeak badly on his behalf. I think he believes that we can converge upon Washington D.C. with a peaceful, OVERWHELMINGLY LARGE group of Americans and DEMAND change IMMEDIATELY and order them to CEASE and DESIST. And I support that.
(caps for emphasis, not shouting at you)
But my answer to your last two questions are as follows:
If not now, when?
When we are convinced that there is no other alternative than the forceable, physical removal of our representatives in D.C.
If not us, who?
Defintely us, definitely not our children and not our grandchildren.
I would attend and be the millionth and one... if you were the sponsor. America owes you a debt that can never be repaid. Freeper a lot longer than this name. ;^)
“We may be a rabble, but we are a rabble in arms!”
— Robert Heinlein, ‘The Moon is a Harsh Mistress’
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.”
This is what we have right now..
All the hippie scumbag orgs were, and look how it stopped them.
Seriously, John Kerry’s group was infiltrated by the FBI, and yet he still got away with treason and came close to being POTUS. Certainly, we can be as successful doing the lawful thing as he was committing treason.
A most interesting question.
My husband and I are going to discuss it seriously.
“Fear of the lefts Hate Speech, and Alinsky tactics, of the KGBama, has got to stop”
I’m not overly fearful, just trying to be realistic. But like your Patrick Henry quote......I would like to add, “I’d rather die on my feet, than live on my knees”. I just don’t want it to happen first time out of the chute and the speed that this maniac is moving...there’s that strong possibility.
Well, I’m completely open to other ideas as long as they don’t include Joe Biden or Nancy Pelosi. But we must have a CINC on day one.
It might be fun to force ostammer to violate posse comitatus for all the world to see.
I think command and control will be an issue for patriots, however.
I think that’s my concern. I don’t want to be dragged into a horrible fight that isn’t necessary. I believe action is necessary at this point but I’m not convinced that only violence will suffice.
Is this where I can find the axe-handles?
You know, I really don’t hate the DUmmies over there. I actually feel sorry for them because they can’t help their insecurity and low self-esteem.
Block the doors to Congress.
Mark Levin said he was going to consult with his lawyers/colleagues this week about what avenues they might consider pursuing re: the Constitution.
Are voodoo dolls allowed? :)
Even worse if the so called “leader of the GOP”, Romney, was put in charge of the rebellion...
Romney wouldnt fight mind you...he’s a proven draft dodging coward...
Plus he’s scared of guns...
But you can just bet he would be there when it was all over to take credit and take over, like the carpetbagger he is...
Thanks. If we’re out of time...what’s the point?
I don’t think we’re out of time. But I also feel like there’s complete disarray on one side while the other side has a majority and the media in cahoots with them. But I sense that people ARE waking up to the realities of what has happened in a really short time.
I guess there’s a tendency for people to say, whatever Jim wants, they are with him and just shut up and cheerlead.
I DO cheerlead the idea of us low-level terrorists doing something while we can, but the specifics have to be clearly laid-out. Also, is this meant to be a group of concerned Americans whose views are conservative, or an armed group of people who are the FURTHEST right?
What’s the criteria for becoming a member of this group?
In short, what are the specific reasons people should join this protest?
I’m sure FR is already monitored.
Congress may not pass any legislation and then exempt themselves from it.
Yes, "countrywide", but State capitols are ineffectual. The socialists have grown use to it and would simply think, "Another day; another protest. So what."
Research should be done to see what local, state, and federal laws apply to protesting in front of or down the street from the traitorous Congresscritters' home residences.
If it's legal or at least not a felony, I suggest (as did a poster above) get in their face and see how they like being singled out, as they do with us Constitutionalists.
No threats on the signs; no threats via bullhorn; no threat of violence. Peacefully picket close to their homes during a recess and let them get an "up and personal" idea how it feels to lose their privacy and inherent right to be left alone.
If it's legal, it would have a bigger impact on these socialists than any gathering at a State capitol or WalMart parking lot, to quote a poster on this thread.
We need to take this to the next level. Jim Gilcrist of "Minutemen" had pro-illegal protesters outside his home just across the hwy from me some years back. I never heard of any prosecutions. I could be wrong. It's worth looking into such an effort.
As I've been saying for some time (others on this thread), we should start using the liberal/socialist handbook that has been so successful for them for decades.
“In short, what are the specific reasons people should join this protest?”
Simple. To reestablish the fact that rights flow from God to the people and from the people to the government.
And you can go ahead and drop the “low level terrorists” line. Nobody following the rules and basic tenets associated with FreeRepublic is a terrorist.
Just guessing, but scare the crap out of the left?
We need a simple list with simple supporting documentation that can be disseminated far and wide.
It needs to be a strong attention getting device as most people (unfortunately) are very apathetic about this.
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