If we could get millions of Americans to march on Washington, what would we do?

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[Jim Robinson]

* * R O U G H * * D R A F T * *

(continuing my remarks from prior thread)

Here is our recourse as declared by our Founding Fathers:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

It cannot be denied that the central government has become destructive of our unalienable rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness and our rights to live free. The government is no longer responsive to we the People. They have stretched and shredded the constitution to the point that they have illegally seized for themselves virtually unlimited powers over the citizens and act as if we have no rights and no powers of our own. They are acting without our consent.

Our Founders established that when our government becomes destructive of our rights then it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

We have reached the point where the government's long train of abuses and usurpations has achieved absolute Despotism, therefore it is our right, it is our duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for our future security.

Therefore, We the People of America choose to exercise our right to throw off and alter the abusive government by peacefully recalling and removing from office the President of the United States, the Vice President of the United States and all U.S. Senators and U.S. Representatives effective immediately.

An interim provisional Chief Executive and congressional representatives will be established as follows:

The Secretary of State shall immediately assume the office of interim Chief Executive. The Chief Executive shall appoint and the interim Senate shall confirm an interim Vice President.

An immediate election shall be held within each state legislature to appoint two interim senators to represent each sovereign state.

A special election shall be held by all states within 30 days to elect interim members of the House of Representatives.

Elections for regular government offices shall be conducted in November, 2010 as previously scheduled, except that elections will be held for all elective offices, including President, Vice President and all U.S. Representatives. U.S. Senators will be elected per class schedule by the various state legislatures.

We alter the government to provide new Guards for our future security as follows:

The Constitution of the United States must be kept intact and must be adhered to and strictly followed by all government entities as originally intended. The government has stretched the constitutional limits well beyond those intended by our founders. We must take steps to ensure that this is corrected and that the out of control government is reined in and that sufficient measures are introduced to maintain the limits, checks and balances on government and that government powers are strictly limited to those enumerated in the constitution and that our rights are reestablished, reaffirmed, re-secured and safeguarded. We must restore and reestablish the sovereignty of the people and the states and restore the constitutional balances between the central government, the various states and we the people. The constitution severely restricts government powers and guarantees unalienable freedom and Liberty to the people.

As we restore constitutionally limited government several wrongs must be righted:

The central government has illegally expanded its powers. They've done this by ignoring or stretching their constitutional limits. They have usurped powers limited to the states and the people. We must reestablish and reaffirm the enumerated powers and limit the central government strictly to just those powers. They've built huge power bases by allowing senators and representatives to be full time professional career positions. We eliminate this by establishing strict qualifications for office and term limits.

We must reestablish and reaffirm the powers to the states and the people as defined by the 9th and 10th amendments.

The central government has denied the states their constitutionally guaranteed republican form of government by introducing the 17th amendment which alters the way the senators which were to represent the sovereign interests of the various states to the central government. We must reestablish that representation by repealing the 17th amendment and allowing the state legislatures of the various states to elect their own senators as intended by our founders. This was never intended to be a function of the people. We the People are represented to the central government by our elected representatives in the House of Representatives. The sovereign states were to be represented by the state's senators to keep central powers and encroachment in check. Power is from the people to the states, and from the states to the central government. They've turned this upside down and inside out. We must correct it.

We hereby repeal the 17th amendment.

The central government has expanded well beyond the limits established for it by the founders and pay for that expansion by directly taxing the people and severely restricting our rights through an enslaving income tax.

We hereby repeal the 16th amendment.

The IRS and all sub departments and agencies are hereby dissolved, disbanded and closed.

The newly elected congress will establish rules and schedules for assessing and collecting fees, tariffs and excise taxes to support the armed forces and all constitutionally authorized departments of The United States Government per the Constitution of the United States (see schedule).

The central government is hereby stripped of all illegal powers and all departments and agencies not authorized by the constitution are hereby dissolved and disbanded. Their current budgets are hereby withdrawn. All disbanded department funds and liquid assets are to be immediately returned to the US Treasury. A list and methods for achieving this is provided in schedule xxx.

Ownership and responsibility for all federally held buildings, lands, parks, waterways, oceans, seas, etc, other than those in Washington, D.C. or military bases, forts, reservations, or local federal buildings owned by valid constitutional federal departments (see schedule) are hereby transferred to the sovereign state governments within which they reside or are located.

Responsibility for all natural resources found within any of the various states or within lands, oceans, lakes, rivers, waterways, seas out through our international boundary limits are hereby returned to the various states. All laws for mining, drilling, logging, or otherwise capitalizing on any minerals or natural resources are to be determined by the various states within which said resources are found.

The social security system is hereby dissolved, disbanded and closed. All social security funds being held by the federal government are to be returned to the private retirement accounts of the individuals owning them. A special fund will be establish for all current recipients and new recipients according to schedule xxy and the social security system shall be phased out accordingly. The funds to support current social security benefits shall become the responsibility of the states within which the recipients reside.

No revenues accruing to the federal government shall be disbursed to any state, city or local government for any reason whatsoever. Or used to subsidize or benefit any government or private entity, organization or person, other than those explicitly authorized and enumerated in the constitution.

All states are hereby solely responsible for any and all revenues or funds required to operate their sovereign states. The central government is not obligated to and shall not interfere in state government or local affairs.

The interstate commerce clause shall be applied strictly to regulating interstate commerce as originally established and intended by our founders. No stretches or reinterpretations of any kind shall be allowed.

Our first unalienable right is the right to life. Protecting Life and Liberty shall be of paramount importance to our central government. Roe v Wade and all congressional acts, regulations, court opinions allowing legalized abortion or the taking of innocent human life are hereby rescinded, overruled, repealed, nullified and voided. Life is fully protected by the U.S. Government.

The Federal Reserve.

Border security.

Medicare.

FAA, FDA, FCC, various federal ABC departments agencies and agencies. Which to close, which to remake with constitutional limits and authority, etc.

Federal Pensions.

Etc, etc, etc.

Need lots of help with this document, folks. Please chime in. Would love to see a committee formed of members of every state to complete and finalize it. Then we should form and send delegates to a special national congress to work out the kinks and plan its presentation and execution.

This concept is an entirely peaceful altering of our despotic government per our unalienable right and duty. No where do I call for violence. The only force I call for is the force of numbers. We need millions of our citizens to sign on to this petition and execute its provisions. Will require millions to march on D.C. to block the government's ability to do business as usual. This is our right and duty as Americans.

[DejaJude]

As I've been saying for some time (others on this thread), we should start using the liberal/socialist handbook that has been so successful for them for decades.

Yes, let's use that, "dissent is patriotic" line that they used.

[Winstons Julia]

Loved your post, agreed with most of it, although I believe that if the message is strong and well-written and the people gin to understand, a march on DC is a good idea.

[Envisioning]

All in, again............ping!

[Winstons Julia]

Au contraire. I’m a low-level terrorist. Drop that line? Are you kidding? The fact that the DOD would have a test that identifies public protest as the example of “low-level terrorism” is one HUGE rallying point right now. I went to a tea party. That makes me a low-level terrorist according to Obama’s DOD.

Trust me, even Democrats were stunned when THAT news broke.

And it might seem simple to you...but “we’re angry because God gives us the rights and we give you the power” is not enough of a message.

[central_va]

Jim: I have no desire to take over or try to reform the corrupt federal monster. Let them have their socialist utopia. They must let us leave in peace this time, no fighting no bloodshed.

"Secession belongs to a different class of remedies. It is to be justified upon the basis that the States are Sovereign. There was a time when none denied it. I hope the time may come again, when a better comprehension of the theory of our Government, and the inalienable rights of the people of the States, will prevent any one from denying that each State is a Sovereign, and thus may reclaim the grants which it has made to any agent whomsoever."

"The contest is not over, the strife is not ended. It has only entered upon a new and enlarged arena."

"The principle for which we contend is bound to reassert itself, though it may be at another time and in another form."

                                - Jefferson Davis Pres. CSA

[RushIsMyTeddyBear]

Now the DUmpsters think FR should be banned as a hate site:
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Meh. Let the ‘Squidwards’ at ‘KKKos’ and ‘DUmmyland’ squirm and blow ink.

[stockpirate]

not the usual ping

[BuckeyeTexan]

See, that’s where you’re mistaken. They’re not insecure with low self-esteem. They’re over-confident with delusions of grandeur. And that’s how we’ll take them down.

[trustandobey]

I’d march around the Capitol 7 times!

[reasonisfaith]

Understood.

But as for the flow of rights, its reversal is in fact the most basic problem here.

So the message should be the bullet points you mention which illustrate, in the most concise form possible, specific ways the government has reversed this most basic principle. Put forth in a way that makes it real and stirs emotions.

Problem is, enough people really have to be angry and this doesn’t tend to happen until they really know and feel the threat to life and liberty.

[rolling_stone]

The problem is our government, WH and Congress and “Regulators” have been corrupted by elite wealthy oligarchs money. Once in Congress it is difficult to replace them, and the longer they are in Congress the more corrupt they get. The oligarchs want to destroy the lower and middle classes and enrich themselves with our tax dollars. Why aren’t the banksters in jail or under indictment? They are in bed with .gov and .gov will not bite the hand that feeds them.

Boycott all TARP Banks, pay off your credit cards, limit purchases to necessities, reduce your income tax by earning less, starve the beast( .gov and its master (BANKS).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lnb1qXhXOas&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Ftickerforum%2Eorg%2Fcgi%2Dticker%2Fakcs%2Dwww%3Fpost%3D92795&feature=player_embedded

http://zerohedge.blogspot.com/2009/07/max-keiser-goldman-sachs-are-scum.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wVQ3_ZaYB4&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ehuffingtonpost%2Ecom%2F2009%2F07%2F17%2Fglenn%2Dbecks%2Dgoldman%2Dsachs%5Fn%5F237481%2Ehtml&feature=player_embedded

FEDUP USA:
http://www.fedupusa.org/

[Tzimisce]

I think the media would downplay the action.

Meanwhile Congress would begin working on laws to prevent more marches from angry voters.

Don’t get me wrong - I would LOVE to see a massive march on Washington.

But you’d better be ready for the unbiased, non partisan, activist left wing media slamming.

[misanthrope]

Bookmark

[Vob]

Jim Thompson what would happen if millions of Americans marched on IRS offices? The source of their power is the power to tax.

vob

[Islander7]

“...Education and unions are states issues...”

Education, I agree, but federal employees are unionized. That has to end.

Attended a great T.E.A. Party today. Photos and report to follow.

Met several FReepers there.

Thanks for all you do, Jim.

[usconservative]

Well, we can’t foment rebellion without a FaceBook Group Page, it just wouldn’t work.

Try HERE

yes, that's my site.

[DennisR]

So are you proposing to sit down and refuse to disperse? I have not problem with that - we have to cause a peaceful ruckus. Because Congress needs to feel - somehow - the threat of continued demonstrations. Otherwise, the will continue to ignore us and will destroy the USA.

http://pushbackuntil.com

[usconservative]

My only reservation is the fact that the majority is not with us.

That's where you're wrong. The majority IS with is. Look at the latest Rasmussen polls, Obama's "strongly support" numbers are down to the low thirty's. The "strongly oppose" are in the high thirty/low forties range AND CLIMBING. He's at a -8 approval rating and that gap widens with each passing week.

The majority IS with us. So many are sitting on the sidelines waiting for someone ELSE to start the revolution. I believe it in my heart of hearts that this country is yearning for the revolution. We witness what's happening in Iran as the protests and demonstrations continue to this day (even though our own media will no longer show it) and Honduras, knowing that the American's who OPPOSE OBAMA sit by wondering when our time is coming.

Our time is NOW.

We owe it to ourselves, our children and indeed the world to show them that WE own the Government, not the other way around.

If not now, when? If not us, who?

[2ndDivisionVet]

I'm in...

[meyer]

Thanks. If we’re out of time...what’s the point?

The point is that the politicians in Washington will hear us roar, in numbers too big to ignore. FR isn't the only web site advocating a march on Washington. September 12, 2009 - mark your calander.

I don’t think we’re out of time. But I also feel like there’s complete disarray on one side while the other side has a majority and the media in cahoots with them. But I sense that people ARE waking up to the realities of what has happened in a really short time.

We're very nearly out of time. People are waking up - there were around 1 million participants in the nationwide tea parties on April 15, and the talk at most concerned the enormous unconstitutional power grab that is now taking place. And these people were not all republicans - we had democrats, libertarians, and other independent people (like me) at our event. And the sentiment was almost universal - the federal government is out of control. It is spending money it does not have. It is bankrupting our children. It is regulating freedom out of existence. It is advocating theft from the earners to buy votes from the deadbeats (an old trend, but it's accelerated drastically since the commie stepped into the White House).

The anger is unprecedented, and it needs to be put to use. Peacefully, if possible.

I guess there’s a tendency for people to say, whatever Jim wants, they are with him and just shut up and cheerlead.

Feel free to submit any viable ideas - I don't cheerlead, and I don't think that most here do. Being in agreement with somebody is far different from being labelled a 'cheerleader'.

I DO cheerlead the idea of us low-level terrorists doing something while we can, but the specifics have to be clearly laid-out. Also, is this meant to be a group of concerned Americans whose views are conservative, or an armed group of people who are the FURTHEST right?

Low level terrorists? Where did THAT come from? Has somebody advocated taking down airliners or storming city hall? No, I doubt it. And if they did, their post would be removed swiftly. You seem to have a mind to categorize armed people as some sort of extremist group - nothing could be farther from the truth. I'm conservative, I'm armed, and I know a little about the constitution. Just like millions of other people in this country.

I also know the purpose of the second amendment, and I'm not shy about admitting that. If that strikes you as being a low-level terrorist, then I would have to wonder if you're in favor of maintaining and restoring our freedoms or if you believe, as the left and RINO's do, that the state is superior to the individual.

In short, what are the specific reasons people should join this protest?

A growing problem in this country, which started long before Obambi took office, has been the tendency of our elected REPRESENTATIVES (not leaders) to ignore the will of those that elect them, and to ignore the specific language of the Constitution of the United States. This tendency accelerated over the last year or two as the politicians become bolder and bolder at imposing their will on the very people that put them in office.

Since Obambi and the democrats have taken control of the government, our voices have been totally ignored as the political/media machine has assumed dictatorial control of this country. Looking back at the first two amnesty attempts when Republicans were in charge, it was apparent that they wanted to ignore us but were overwhelmed by the strong dissent to their activities. No more - the democrats have chosen to refuse to listen.

For those reasons, we, the people need to show strength. We need to put up a strong message, and we need to put up huge numbers. We need to overwhelm Washington so strongly that they cannot ignore us any more.

Our local tea party was a powerful, motivating event for me and the 3000 others that chose to attend. We had inspirational speakers and an enthusiastic crowd. If we can duplicate that on a grand scale in Washington, the hard left will have to realize that they have made a grave error in underestimating the reaction of the American people to their attempted coup.

It's time to act en masse. Either that, or things will have to get really ugly to save this republic.

[RushIsMyTeddyBear]

Jim Thompson what would happen if millions of Americans marched on IRS offices? The source of their power is the power to tax.
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Make that ‘The Fed’.

[usconservative]

I’m not only not with you, I’m against you.

You're a symptom of the problem. You're too afraid to take on the very establishment that's subjogating you to be its indentured servant, and too brainwashed into defending it by fighting against the very people who would defend your freedoms against it.

Please don't post to me any further. I don't wish to know people like you.

[usconservative]

I think he believes that we can converge upon Washington D.C. with a peaceful, OVERWHELMINGLY LARGE group of Americans and DEMAND change IMMEDIATELY and order them to CEASE and DESIST. And I support that.

Belive me when I tell you that I'd really like to believe the above, again. I used to believe that, truly I did.

Then we had the 2008 elections, ACORN's corrupt activities in stealing the election, Obama's directives to his minions to engage those of us who disagree with him in 'street fights' and his theft of trillions of dollars of your, my, and our grandchildren's money, enslaving three generations to pay back the Communist Chinese.

I firmly believe in my heart that this SOB who occupies the White House is doing his level best to destroy this country, so it can be "remade" the way he wants it: A large, socialist government that intervenes in every aspect of our lives.

Nope, no thanks. Not for me, not what I (or you) want for our children.

Maybe the 2010 elections will change things. Maybe it is 1993 all over again (as I posted on my blog) a few months back.

But I have to tell you, my frustration level with this illegal, corrupt Government that daily seizes more and more power Un-Constitutionally usurping States rights and our own personal freedoms really has me thinking that we're at the end of our ropes, and that nothing short of a full-on Revolution is going to stop the trajectory this country is now on.

I hope and pray I'm wrong, but something in my heart of hearts tells me I'm not.

Thanks for your thoughtful response, peace to you.

[Winstons Julia]

I agree. I think that’s why Beck’s “we surround them” message
resonated.

I believe they know it, too. I heard Obama’s message yesterday that we needed to not argue and bicker over this legislation (health care) but pass it now or we might not get another chance for generations.

If it’s GOOD legislation, why the now or never tone?

Good, reasonable legislation should be timeless, no?

[usconservative]

When we are convinced that there is no other alternative than the forceable, physical removal of our representatives in D.C.

I missed this in my first read of your reply and I'm curious: what would convince you that there is no other alternative?

[mission9]

I think we should try non-violence first. How about a revolutionary fife and drum march of knee sock, powdered wig patriots, followed by a Mohatmed Ghandi stand in, wearing a diaper and carrying a walking stick. Then the Martin Luther King, Abraham Lincoln and John Kennedy dopplegangers follow on.
That should have some theatric moral force. Remember whatever is done, should be eye candy for the evening news.

[HotLead61]

The Secretary of State shall immediately assume the office of interim Chief Executive

Yep, I'm not too sure about Hillary being given the reigns of power. There's got to be a way to get General Petraeus in there, right? /sarc

[LucyT]

Thanks, stockpirate.

If we could get millions of Americans to march on Washington, what would we do?

[anniegetyourgun]

I am ready regardless of the fact that he has over 50% overall approval. I am absolutely convinced that our fellow countrymen are deluded. It does, however, make civil disobedience even more dangerous.

[Jim Robinson]

I’m always non-violence. Leave that stuff for the libtards and Marxist commies. They’re so good at it. Bill Ayers, call your office.

[Mr. Silverback]

Could we make Gates POTUS? He may be behind Hillary in succession, but he also isn’t connected to any treasonous activities or massive single-payer health plans...

[usconservative]

No threats on the signs; no threats via bullhorn; no threat of violence. Peacefully picket close to their homes during a recess and let them get an "up and personal" idea how it feels to lose their privacy and inherent right to be left alone.

I kinda like this idea. Two small modifications:

1. Bullhorns, and lots of them. Make lotsa noise.
2. Make it 24x7 and don't let the bastards leave their house or sleep for a minute.

[betsyross60]

I came to this thread late and haven’t read every single word. This may have been suggested-—cut off every pension for every senator and representative. This will effectively term limit them. They won’t serve if they are not building lucrative retirement accounts.

[Neil E. Wright]

P I N G

[HotLead61]

I think secession is more practical

Perhaps that should be the last resort.

[Winstons Julia]

When I said low level terrorists, I was talking about this:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526972,00.html

And right before the tea parties, we had the DHS report. My sign said, “Do I look like a dangerous extremist?” (I soooo don’t.)

“...and the talk at most concerned the enormous unconstitutional power grab that is now taking place...”

AGREED! There were people with signs that said different things. One at our protest was on plexi-glass and said in orange letters, “Where’s your transparency Obama?” There were a LOT of different things on signs, but the overwhelming concern was that government is overreaching.

Then, you had the fact that they were called tea-parties. And the media took it and ran. Because Obama’s not raising taxes. (wink) And “Why didn’t these guys protest taxes under other presidents?”

So, that’s why instead of just cheerleading, I think that if we are going to organize and march and even engage in civil disobedience, there has to be a clear statement and notion of the things we are rallying around.

If we’re all to be on the same page, we need the page.

[smokingfrog]

[1COUNTER-MORTER-68]

Bump Dat...

[ChowChowFace]

Bump for later

[BuckeyeTexan]

When we face prosecution and imprisonment for speaking out about the government’s treachery and/or the forceable taking away of our guns, that will be the moment when violent force on our part becomes necessary.

Although we are quickly approaching a time when free speech and the right to bear arms are illegal, we haven’t yet reached that time. Peaceful but forceful action can still be taken.

[GeronL]

thanks

[tcat]

“As someone else pointed out, since the Feds can print money anytime they want, why do they need yours?”

Every time they print money they are taking yours, it’s called inflation.

[Mad_Tom_Rackham]

If millions marched on Washington, they would do anything we told them to do. A good start would be to repeal every law enacted over the past forty years.

[meyer]

When I said low level terrorists, I was talking about this:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,526972,00.html

And right before the tea parties, we had the DHS report. My sign said, “Do I look like a dangerous extremist?” (I soooo don’t.)

That puts it in perspective. I remember the DHS report - it was right before the tea parties as you mentioned, and it was mentioned by more than one of our great speakers.

I agree that we need a common, strong message. Not just from FR, but from all the various groups that are attending. Our Tea Party organizers are setting up busses and hotel rooms for us, and I'm certain that other community tea party groups are doing the same. FR is also on the bandwagon.

I believe that we all have a great deal in common, though perhaps with a bit different dialect. Most everybody is ticked off about the same things. There needs to be (if there isn't already) a national or overseeing group that will align the purposes so that they all resemble the common goal. Variations are acceptable, and perhaps encouraged, but the direction has to be common.

At great risk of starting a flame war, I would nominate Sarah Palin for that role. Seriously! The hard left doesn't like her. The RINO establishment doesn't really like her. The big government establishment doesn't like her. But many, many conservatives, libertarians, and other working people do like her. Anybody that believes in freedom likes her.

[bustinchops]

Ostammer will order armed guards be placed at every entrance to the city, trains, airports, all of it.

Let’s say 3,000,000 of us showed up. Would we be prepared to force our way in, if needed? Ostammer will do away with posse comitatus. The question is, will American soldiers fire on Americans, or will they disobey orders? I don’t know. Most say they wouldn’t and I like to think not, but we’ve certainly seen it happen often enough in other countries.

[Turborules]

It is understood that you and all of us should be cautious with the Obamaism tactics, they are in power,and positioned to hurt people who get in their way, just as Clinton, and Rahm the Ballerina are and will do to anyone in their path...that is why we must resist with every fiber of our being, and when our friends are attacked we must rally to defend them, and well as our nation...No Fear, just resolve to not lose our freedom...

[1035rep]

Very good :)

[Jim Robinson]

Fine by me.

[drubyfive]

I thought she was disqualified on account of her cankles, or maybe her thighs. One of those.