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If we could get millions of Americans to march on Washington, what would we do?
Prior thread ^ | July 18, 2009 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 07/18/2009 11:30:17 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

Edited on 07/18/2009 11:48:33 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

* * R O U G H * * D R A F T * *

(continuing my remarks from prior thread)

Here is our recourse as declared by our Founding Fathers:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

It cannot be denied that the central government has become destructive of our unalienable rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness and our rights to live free. The government is no longer responsive to we the People. They have stretched and shredded the constitution to the point that they have illegally seized for themselves virtually unlimited powers over the citizens and act as if we have no rights and no powers of our own. They are acting without our consent.

Our Founders established that when our government becomes destructive of our rights then it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

We have reached the point where the government's long train of abuses and usurpations has achieved absolute Despotism, therefore it is our right, it is our duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for our future security.

Therefore, We the People of America choose to exercise our right to throw off and alter the abusive government by peacefully recalling and removing from office the President of the United States, the Vice President of the United States and all U.S. Senators and U.S. Representatives effective immediately.

An interim provisional Chief Executive and congressional representatives will be established as follows:

The Secretary of State shall immediately assume the office of interim Chief Executive. The Chief Executive shall appoint and the interim Senate shall confirm an interim Vice President.

An immediate election shall be held within each state legislature to appoint two interim senators to represent each sovereign state.

A special election shall be held by all states within 30 days to elect interim members of the House of Representatives.

Elections for regular government offices shall be conducted in November, 2010 as previously scheduled, except that elections will be held for all elective offices, including President, Vice President and all U.S. Representatives. U.S. Senators will be elected per class schedule by the various state legislatures.

We alter the government to provide new Guards for our future security as follows:

The Constitution of the United States must be kept intact and must be adhered to and strictly followed by all government entities as originally intended. The government has stretched the constitutional limits well beyond those intended by our founders. We must take steps to ensure that this is corrected and that the out of control government is reined in and that sufficient measures are introduced to maintain the limits, checks and balances on government and that government powers are strictly limited to those enumerated in the constitution and that our rights are reestablished, reaffirmed, re-secured and safeguarded. We must restore and reestablish the sovereignty of the people and the states and restore the constitutional balances between the central government, the various states and we the people. The constitution severely restricts government powers and guarantees unalienable freedom and Liberty to the people.

As we restore constitutionally limited government several wrongs must be righted:

The central government has illegally expanded its powers. They've done this by ignoring or stretching their constitutional limits. They have usurped powers limited to the states and the people. We must reestablish and reaffirm the enumerated powers and limit the central government strictly to just those powers. They've built huge power bases by allowing senators and representatives to be full time professional career positions. We eliminate this by establishing strict qualifications for office and term limits.

We must reestablish and reaffirm the powers to the states and the people as defined by the 9th and 10th amendments.

The central government has denied the states their constitutionally guaranteed republican form of government by introducing the 17th amendment which alters the way the senators which were to represent the sovereign interests of the various states to the central government. We must reestablish that representation by repealing the 17th amendment and allowing the state legislatures of the various states to elect their own senators as intended by our founders. This was never intended to be a function of the people. We the People are represented to the central government by our elected representatives in the House of Representatives. The sovereign states were to be represented by the state's senators to keep central powers and encroachment in check. Power is from the people to the states, and from the states to the central government. They've turned this upside down and inside out. We must correct it.

We hereby repeal the 17th amendment.

The central government has expanded well beyond the limits established for it by the founders and pay for that expansion by directly taxing the people and severely restricting our rights through an enslaving income tax.

We hereby repeal the 16th amendment.

The IRS and all sub departments and agencies are hereby dissolved, disbanded and closed.

The newly elected congress will establish rules and schedules for assessing and collecting fees, tariffs and excise taxes to support the armed forces and all constitutionally authorized departments of The United States Government per the Constitution of the United States (see schedule).

The central government is hereby stripped of all illegal powers and all departments and agencies not authorized by the constitution are hereby dissolved and disbanded. Their current budgets are hereby withdrawn. All disbanded department funds and liquid assets are to be immediately returned to the US Treasury. A list and methods for achieving this is provided in schedule xxx.

Ownership and responsibility for all federally held buildings, lands, parks, waterways, oceans, seas, etc, other than those in Washington, D.C. or military bases, forts, reservations, or local federal buildings owned by valid constitutional federal departments (see schedule) are hereby transferred to the sovereign state governments within which they reside or are located.

Responsibility for all natural resources found within any of the various states or within lands, oceans, lakes, rivers, waterways, seas out through our international boundary limits are hereby returned to the various states. All laws for mining, drilling, logging, or otherwise capitalizing on any minerals or natural resources are to be determined by the various states within which said resources are found.

The social security system is hereby dissolved, disbanded and closed. All social security funds being held by the federal government are to be returned to the private retirement accounts of the individuals owning them. A special fund will be establish for all current recipients and new recipients according to schedule xxy and the social security system shall be phased out accordingly. The funds to support current social security benefits shall become the responsibility of the states within which the recipients reside.

No revenues accruing to the federal government shall be disbursed to any state, city or local government for any reason whatsoever. Or used to subsidize or benefit any government or private entity, organization or person, other than those explicitly authorized and enumerated in the constitution.

All states are hereby solely responsible for any and all revenues or funds required to operate their sovereign states. The central government is not obligated to and shall not interfere in state government or local affairs.

The interstate commerce clause shall be applied strictly to regulating interstate commerce as originally established and intended by our founders. No stretches or reinterpretations of any kind shall be allowed.

Our first unalienable right is the right to life. Protecting Life and Liberty shall be of paramount importance to our central government. Roe v Wade and all congressional acts, regulations, court opinions allowing legalized abortion or the taking of innocent human life are hereby rescinded, overruled, repealed, nullified and voided. Life is fully protected by the U.S. Government.

The Federal Reserve.

Border security.

Medicare.

FAA, FDA, FCC, various federal ABC departments agencies and agencies. Which to close, which to remake with constitutional limits and authority, etc.

Federal Pensions.

Etc, etc, etc.

Need lots of help with this document, folks. Please chime in. Would love to see a committee formed of members of every state to complete and finalize it. Then we should form and send delegates to a special national congress to work out the kinks and plan its presentation and execution.

This concept is an entirely peaceful altering of our despotic government per our unalienable right and duty. No where do I call for violence. The only force I call for is the force of numbers. We need millions of our citizens to sign on to this petition and execute its provisions. Will require millions to march on D.C. to block the government's ability to do business as usual. This is our right and duty as Americans.


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To: wolfcreek
So if everyone now begins their teargas training, one might march a bit longer.

Just go down and purchase some pepper spray and bottled water. Line up your family and given a good shot....then another.

Blindly, while choking, salivating, and crying, lean your heads back and administer the bottled water to the face.

Now, don't forget the thick pieces of card board in your torso and thigh areas to soften the impact of the rubber bullets.

Always....always pad up around the upper back and neck so not to give in after the first blow of the trudgeon.

461 posted on 07/19/2009 6:22:10 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Jim Robinson

Stand beside you in this.

suggestion:

Rather that have the two interim senators elected, have the two interim senators appointed by each respective state legislators, as this coincides with our desire is to abolish the 17th.


462 posted on 07/19/2009 6:34:44 AM PDT by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Unemployment will have to be dealt with at the state and local levels.

Respectfully beg to differ:

If the government at all levels would just get out of the way, I think unemployment could be dealt with most effectively at a personal level. People aren't stupid and would figure out what to do. Without such a massive tax and regulatory burden lots of opportunities would arise.

And any help could be organized by private charities.

That's how we used to do it, before government at all levels convinced us that we didn't know how.

463 posted on 07/19/2009 6:43:44 AM PDT by Red Boots
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To: P-Marlowe; Jim Robinson

>>”If I’m marching on Washington, I’m gonna bear arms.”<<

I don’t think we’re at that point quite yet. We need to show up with toy guns or cardboard/foam ones first. One million angry Patriots holding fake evil black rifles held high over our heads screaming for their heads would literally scare the crap out of them.

The D.C. sewer system would clog up so tight that it would take a nuclear powered Roto-Rooter to clear the pipes.

If that didn’t work, THEN we take it to the next step.


464 posted on 07/19/2009 6:50:31 AM PDT by panaxanax (Obama is an illegal alien.)
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To: Jim Robinson

JimRob wrote “The central government has denied the states their constitutionally guaranteed republican form of government by introducing the 17th amendment which alters the way the senators which were to represent the sovereign interests of the various states to the central government. We must reestablish that representation by repealing the 17th amendment and allowing the state legislatures of the various states to elect their own senators as intended by our founders.” I agree, repeal of the 17th is essential to once more establishing the balance of power between the several states and the federal establishment.

The 16th and 17th amendments were ratified in 1912, William Howard Taft, a Republican, was President. The Teddy Roosevelt and Howard Taft Republicans were known as Progressives in those days. The 17th amendment was ratified to make the Constitution more democratic. By altering the manner of the election of Senators, the principal mechanism employed by the framers of the Constitution to protect federalism was also altered. If we are to save our once glorious Republic federalism must be reestablished.

The 10th amendment is toothless and meaningless unless the states are represented, as entities, at the federal level. In the last analysis, the Constitution is a contract between three parties, the citizens, the states, and the federal establishment. The latter is guilty of a massive breach of contract, and the grievances of the remaining two parties must be redressed in some manner. The discussions on state sovereignty are high lighting the intent of the 10th amendment and the primacy of state’s rights. They are, after all, as important and fundamental to our civil government as our inalienable individual rights.

Thank you, Jim Robinson, for including revocation of the 16th and 17th amendments in your proposal. I am disappointed that thus far these particular items, among your thoughtful suggestions, have not received the attention they deserve.


465 posted on 07/19/2009 7:06:25 AM PDT by Parawan (Do we live in an Empire or a Republic? Ask yourself 'Do I feel like a subject or a Citizen?')
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives; All
people are more worried about their jobs (or lack of one) or being cut down in hours and paying bills TO DRIVE AND PROTEST/MARCH.

This is my thinking too regarding any protests at this time. Many people who are vehemently against the current administration would be unable to drive to protest BECAUSE of the administration's policies.
466 posted on 07/19/2009 7:15:30 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Jim Robinson
We hereby repeal the 16th amendment. The IRS and all sub departments and agencies are hereby dissolved, disbanded and closed.

IMO, it is baby steps.

This would need to come in time. Asking for that at the outset would relagate you to a "fringe" group at the very outset, and that would serve nobody's purpose.
467 posted on 07/19/2009 7:17:41 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Exactly. Alinsky tactic? get them when their down and can’t protest.


468 posted on 07/19/2009 7:17:49 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Looks like it. The only question is whether it is purposefully done or not.


469 posted on 07/19/2009 7:19:52 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim, Please support my "YOU FIRST, CONGRESS" idea and put it in the sidebar.

This is demanding that Congress goes on the health care plan they want for us for 2-3 years and THEN we'll talk!

Pleae, Jim.....support the "YOU FIRST, CONGRESS" idea.

470 posted on 07/19/2009 7:24:17 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: IM2MAD
As I was coming to Free Republic just now, here’ are the first two topics to come up... If we could get millions of Americans to march on Washington, what would we do? Followed by Kill the Old People

Fancy that...similarly, As I was coming to Free Republic just now, here’ are the first two topics to come up... If we could get millions of Americans to march on Washington, what would we do? Followed by Kill All the Lawyers

471 posted on 07/19/2009 7:32:53 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: Jim Robinson

Unless the attendees are armed they will be ignored. Fear is the only thing that will keep the gov’t from further infringement.

1,000,000 armed people with AR’s/AK’s, and openly carried handguns congregating on the national mall would have the desired effect.


472 posted on 07/19/2009 7:37:18 AM PDT by Dayman (My 1919a4 is named Charlotte. When I light her up she has the voice of an angel.)
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To: CRBDeuce

SELF-ADVERTISE — It is easy for each of us to advertise this event to help get the one million people to DC. Print out flyers at home and have them handy in your car. Place them at banks, libraries, book stores, restaurants. Wherever you go, just put one or two out there. Add website links so that people can get more information! I’m starting today!


473 posted on 07/19/2009 7:38:54 AM PDT by Docs Galore
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To: panaxanax

My Opinion:
Fake pitchforks, yes. Fake guns of any kind, NO!


474 posted on 07/19/2009 7:40:38 AM PDT by seekthetruth ("See You In DC From 9/11 - 9/13 At Our National Freeper Tea Party Convention!")
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To: Jeff Head; Quix; MarkL

ping


475 posted on 07/19/2009 7:42:43 AM PDT by stockpirate (The movement to take back America has already started, Sarah is her name.)
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To: Flint
unless the individual has lost a right because of the commission of a crime.

Unfortunately, Congress now has enough (millions) laws and regulations on the books to 'criminalize' any person in the country. Unfortunately the named leader 'Sec/y of State' has her FBI files on all of us...That name wouldn't have been at the top of MY list but JimRob is spot on with all else.

476 posted on 07/19/2009 7:43:34 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: Jim Robinson
I would caution everyone that wants to march on Washington to visit this web site:

http://www.mdw.army.mil/mdwoperations.htm

Read around and past all the fluff and ceremonial stuff and pick out the real reason for it's existence.

One quote to pay attention to is, "Military District of Washington and its area counterparts formed as the Joint Force Headquarters National Capital Region, able, since September 2004, to stand up when called for as a Joint Task Force, for homeland defense and defense support to civil authorities challenges, whether natural or manmade."

477 posted on 07/19/2009 7:55:47 AM PDT by Flint
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To: SkyPilot

Evil and stupid is now way to go through life.


478 posted on 07/19/2009 8:00:18 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I say we wait 1-3 years.

1 million well fed and annoyed conservatives has less productive dynamic than 5 million small business owners who no longer have their small businesses and who have had to skip every other meal for the last 6-12 months.

I think the latter has a more productive dynamic.


479 posted on 07/19/2009 8:04:55 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Mr. Silverback

This nations defense is about this nation and her citizens. While it may help foreigners to join our army/navy, I don’t care about them. I am sick of hearing of what this nation should do based on what a foreigner wants. There are other ways to becoming a US citizen and selling citizenship using our army has got trouble written all over it.

One problem we have is that we can conduct foreign wars the people don’t want because who cares if a bunch of foreigners we don’t even know want to enlist. It doesn’t affect us as much if we and our familes don’t have to go.

If there is a war we the people believe in then we will enlist in a heartbeat. There is no need for foriegners to enlist.

Again, I have no doubt many foreigners have served with honor, including two of my roommates while I was military, but, once again, if there is a war this nation needs to fight then this nation’s citizens need to step up and do so. It is one way of controlling our elected officials from conducting wars we don’t want: They can try to send troops but if no one enlists then they ain’t got an army to send.

Also, should our out of control government seek to use the military against the people, we will be facing foreigners who have little ties to us, and they could easily recruit more if need be. A citizen army is far less likely to take orders to do this country any harm.

A major downfall of the Roman empire was that the citizens no longer displayed patriotism. They didn’t have to: Only the rich could be elected officials and the army were foreigners. They lived trying to duck taxes, regulation and tyranny, just like we are today.


480 posted on 07/19/2009 8:05:35 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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