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If we could get millions of Americans to march on Washington, what would we do?
Prior thread ^ | July 18, 2009 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 07/18/2009 11:30:17 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

Edited on 07/18/2009 11:48:33 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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To: Empireoftheatom48

I would give my life for the constitution now or anytime.


251 posted on 07/18/2009 3:24:59 PM PDT by freedom lives
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To: Jim Robinson

There would have to be HUGE numbers of people who show up.
I would walk from Florida to D.C. and gather people along the way if I thought we could peacefully get rid of the thugs in charge.


252 posted on 07/18/2009 3:25:00 PM PDT by flash2368 (Scary Times)
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To: GeronL

5 million very angry men into DC When???????


253 posted on 07/18/2009 3:26:17 PM PDT by freedom lives
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

It’s pleasant to think about the IRS not being able to pay salaries...because several million taxpayers stiffed them
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Have you seen the recent charts of taxes collected this year compared to last year? That is by no means because of unemployment. The difference is too great.


254 posted on 07/18/2009 3:26:49 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Melas

Rebellion? How can restoring legal constitutional government be called rebellion? It’s not an overthrow or a revolution or even violence. We’re simply talking about restoring our rightful government as our founding fathers intended and provided for us.


255 posted on 07/18/2009 3:27:01 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/jimrobfr)
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To: Michael.SF.

Do you really want Hillary to be the interim President?

If it gets Obama out of the White House...YES! At least she is an American. We can vote her out in 2012.


256 posted on 07/18/2009 3:31:01 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: yoe

I would bring my entire family of 6 to a march on Washington!


257 posted on 07/18/2009 3:35:09 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009
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To: Jim Robinson
High time to refresh the Tree of Liberty!!

The next "first shot heard round the world" shall be brought upon by our new King George III currently residing all throughout DC in various manifestations We The People have unfortunately allowed to evolve into an oppressive and unConstitutional Fedzilla!

258 posted on 07/18/2009 3:35:40 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Bookmarked.


259 posted on 07/18/2009 3:38:11 PM PDT by WakeUpAndVote
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To: mojitojoe; manc

>Absolutely bring your children, grandchildren anyone you can get to go along. They wouldn’t dare use violence against children and families and if they did, the next step is obvious.<

I understand the importance of teaching our children, but I heartily disagree, and if I was financially able to attend, I would leave my children with an older relative who would be able to care for them if they should suddenly become orphans.

The people in DC are capable of anything. Haven’t they proven that beyond a reasonable doubt in the last six months alone?

They would not even hesitate to use violence if pushed too far in their eyes.

Anyone remember Ruby Ridge and Waco?

Flame away if you must, but I fear for the safety of our littlest Americans.


260 posted on 07/18/2009 3:40:02 PM PDT by Califreak (I can't answer that in the abstract)
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To: napscoordinator

I’d rather go with Gates, SecDef, appointed by GWB. Hillary would only work if she knew what would happen if she failed us.


261 posted on 07/18/2009 3:41:35 PM PDT by Tuxedo (The seeds of the next Revolution are sown....)
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To: Jim Robinson
Fantastic. This is exactly the kind of Conservative declaration we need.

I would add to dismantle any and every form of federal control, taxation, regulation etc. of the educational system, which would encourage individual states in the freedom to enact educational choice, with the intention that the government school system would eventually be disbanded, and at the least that the federal government would have absolutely no stake or control in it.

Until we stop BRAINWASHING our kids into communism in government schools, the upcoming generations will keep electing these kinds of people. Until we get education competitive and privatized, it will continue to be controlled and subverted by the NEA and the Communists who have infiltrated that organization.

262 posted on 07/18/2009 3:44:14 PM PDT by boxlunch
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, I hope you’re right. However, judging by some of the responses you’ve gotten, I don’t hold much hope for anything of this nature to remain nonviolent for more than a day.


263 posted on 07/18/2009 3:44:34 PM PDT by Melas
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To: CHATTAB

But would we walk on the grass? Grin


264 posted on 07/18/2009 3:45:04 PM PDT by Parawan (Do we live in an Empire or a Republic? Ask yourself 'Do I feel like a subject or a Citizen?')
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To: VictoryGal
I won't presume to speak for JimRob, or Jim Thompson, for that matter ;-), but the original idea was to have a bicameral legislature. The House, the “People's House,” has the most power (assuming you think that budget control is powerful) along with a few other goodies. It's purpose is simple: represent citizens in respective state districts. A central, all-powerful Fedzilla (HT: Nuge) was NEVER in the plan, but here we are. The Senate was to represent the States’ interests so a balance of power was maintained and Fedzilla is kept in check. Now we have elected ‘officials’ that ‘represent’ the citizens without the buffer of a representative republic. SO, now we get hammered with the tyranny of the takers. This is nowhere near a complete answer to your question, but I'm sure Freepers much smarter than I will fill in the blanks. HTH
265 posted on 07/18/2009 3:46:59 PM PDT by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management)
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To: TexasFreeper2009; Jim Robinson; All
"I would bring my entire family of 6 to a march on Washington!"

WELL THERE IS GOING TO BE ONE, SO COME ON AND JOIN US!

Book your room at the Sheraton National Hotel and ask for the Free Republic group rate! Then purchase your Freeper Convention ticket at the link below. Also at the link, read the wonderful message from JimRob!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2277012/posts?page=1

266 posted on 07/18/2009 3:48:33 PM PDT by seekthetruth ("See You In DC From 9/11 - 9/13 At Our National Freeper Tea Party Convention!")
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To: boxlunch
Absolutely. There is nothing in the constitution authorizing federal involvement in education so it's left to the states:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

267 posted on 07/18/2009 3:49:23 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/jimrobfr)
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To: Winstons Julia; Jim Robinson

The problem with bullet points is that they are too restrictive. What about the 243,687 other ways the government oversteps their bounds that are not listed. I think Jim has nailed the, one catch-all lament by citing the fact that the FedGov has as a matter of course, overstepped their constitutional constraints. THAT is what we are protesting. If more examples need to be cited that is fine, but I believe it would be better to focus the complaint on a single big ticket grievance.


268 posted on 07/18/2009 3:54:17 PM PDT by Axeslinger (Where has my country gone?)
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To: The Duke
3) The "bad guys" would probably not even be in town.

Even better. We can set up waves of patriots to make sure the bad guys don't get back INTO town.
269 posted on 07/18/2009 4:00:15 PM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 (Forget going Galt. Its time to go Braveheart.)
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To: GeronL

this a great idea in theory, but im afraid these commies know that the avg.middle class american family will not march, or cause disent. they know they worry to much about there families, and what problems this my cause to them, or there children....maybe a tax audit, or a possible threat from acorn....and these are the people who actually are involved with daily blogs and info from fox news...the rest of the middle class just go about there day to day lives, unaware of the coup taking place...so thats the why the o-a-hole and chief can be so arrogant, and confident....like i mentioned in a previous post, ths is the perfect presidental.leftist, marksist, one world goverment storm...lets face it folks, its gonna have to take a devine power to intervene in this...and that will only happen when this global system is in place......like king david has said...”he will make his enemies his foot stool” trust god..these devils will want boulders to crush them from fear, and shame for what they have done....i dont vknow about you people, but i for cant wait


270 posted on 07/18/2009 4:02:01 PM PDT by CHUNK109
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To: Jim Robinson

I CANT BELIEVE I SPELLED MARXIST WITH A K...LOL...MAN, SENIOR MOMENTS SUCK


271 posted on 07/18/2009 4:02:51 PM PDT by CHUNK109
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To: Jim Robinson

I just arrived on this site, but I know I’m in the right place. I will help any way I can. Writing, editing, researching whatever you need. I’m not called Teapot Tempest for nothing...oh, and I would love to visit DC with the bunch of you. I’ll be ready to pack.


272 posted on 07/18/2009 4:05:25 PM PDT by Teapot Tempest
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To: CHATTAB

We can discuss and argue and debate from now ‘till 9/12 about what we should or shouldn’t do or change.

I believe the first step in this journey is to ‘JUST SHOW UP’.

How many of us will be able to network with like-minded people after making contacts that weekend ?

How many people back home will be motivated to join us after we shut down DC ? ( a million people in DC can not be ignored)

JUST SHOW UP

We don’t need a permit.

We don’t need an aggenda.

We don’t need a spokesperson.

We don’t need the proper ratio of port-a-johns.

WE JUST NEED TO SHOW UP !!!


273 posted on 07/18/2009 4:05:28 PM PDT by maine yankee
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To: voicereason

Don’t forget that all and every single vote must be recorded, with no option for voting “present.”


274 posted on 07/18/2009 4:06:22 PM PDT by wastedyears (The Tree is thirsty and the hogs are hungry.)
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To: bicyclerepair

Up here we have quite a few 9/12 groups, you might look for one in your area.

I found this for SW FL

http://www.meetup.com/The-SWFL-9-12Project-Meetup-Group/


275 posted on 07/18/2009 4:09:53 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Looking for our Sam Adams)
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To: Jim Robinson
FYI:

* United States Code

TITLE 18 - CRIMES AND CRIMINAL PROCEDURE + PART I - CRIMES # CHAPTER 115 - TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES Section 2385. Advocating overthrow of Government

Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or

Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or

Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence;

or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof -

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.

As used in this section, the terms "organizes" and "organize", with respect to any society, group, or assembly of persons, include the recruiting of new members, the forming of new units, and the regrouping or expansion of existing clubs, classes, and other units of such society, group, or assembly of persons.

276 posted on 07/18/2009 4:14:22 PM PDT by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: The Duke

How will we know those organizations aren’t penetrated by the FBI, state and city police organizations?


277 posted on 07/18/2009 4:17:17 PM PDT by wastedyears (The Tree is thirsty and the hogs are hungry.)
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To: Outlaw Woman

“Give me Liberty or Give me Death” Patrick Henry
Fear of the left’s Hate Speech, and Alinsky tactics, of the KGBama, has got to stop! We are free only if we demand it of our leaders...Hold them accountable for their selling out!


278 posted on 07/18/2009 4:20:45 PM PDT by Turborules
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To: Jim Robinson

I will march on Washington with you!.


279 posted on 07/18/2009 4:21:36 PM PDT by Turborules
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To: Jim Robinson
If we could get millions of Americans to march on Washington, what would we do?

I'm afraid my first impulse was to answer: Bring a whole lot of tar and feathers; enough for all the Congress critters and their lackey staff too!

Beyond that happy thought, I dunno. Meaningful change is highly unlikely.

280 posted on 07/18/2009 4:22:00 PM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: manc

We need to organize Buses and group discounts for our cause, as well as set up travel funds for those with modest means...some conservatives are not wealthy, or even middle class


281 posted on 07/18/2009 4:26:16 PM PDT by Turborules
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To: Jim Robinson
Such a movement has to start locally, but simultaneously across the country. It has to build momentum.

Even Hitler knew the power of people.

It cannot start at the top...a million man march in DC (went nowhere didn't it?).

Like Iran, it must gain momentum locally and supporters must see the local movement and be heartened by it.

It is a bonfire that must start small and be fed by the passion of believers.

A million man/woman march on DC without an agenda or momentum will go absolutely nowhere.

This cause is right. People are willing to march locally at first and, as momentum builds, regionally...then nationally. They are willing to die for this cause.

It must be peaceful and they must be willing martyrs.

They must die so freedom can live...and so that Obama is exposed for what he is!

But to start nationally is naive. The movement must gain momentum first...it must ferment and mature before it bursts on the national scene.

282 posted on 07/18/2009 4:27:21 PM PDT by SonOfDarkSkies (Obama is "AntiChrist." The only question remaining is whether he is "An" or "The" AntiChrist)
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To: Turborules

that’s me for sure.

yes I agree too.


283 posted on 07/18/2009 4:27:29 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman , nothing else-- end racism end affirmative action)
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To: Teapot Tempest

Welcome to Free Republic!! You will LOVE it here.


284 posted on 07/18/2009 4:27:40 PM PDT by PatriotGirl827 (Pray for the United States of America!)
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To: Jim Robinson

What to do with a million people in Washington? You all could present the Congress with a the text of a bill that imposes real penalties on them whenever they introduce, vote for or pass unconstitutional legislation. Real penalties like fines that hurt and they have to pay, not their campaign chests, canceling of their health care, investment and pension plans paid for by the public, and named jail or prison times for the most egregious bills.

Then make them introduce that bill to Congress, vote for it and enact it.

We should also write a bill that authorizes a budget so that the new law is funded and can be exercised.

Finally bring sample legislation that revokes all the unconstitutional clearly Marxist government programs and executive branch appointees and bureaucrats. Make it a crime to appoint a ‘czar’ with a clear penalty for failing to obey.

That’s probably all you’ll have time for.


285 posted on 07/18/2009 4:28:46 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Alter Kaker

Well, it’s a damn good think I’m not advocating force, violence or an overthrow of the government then. Just stating my desire to see a return to constitutional government and discussing how that could be done within our first amendment rights to peaceable assembly and petition of grievances.

The day the government makes it illegal to print or to quote or refer to the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution or the founding of America is the day totalitarianism has completely arrived.


286 posted on 07/18/2009 4:29:19 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/jimrobfr)
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To: Jim Robinson
After my first pass, I was as happy and giddy as a schoolchild. (Hell, yeah! Throw those power-grabbing good-for-nothings out of office and replace them! Revoke their power. Restore the rule of law!)

After my second pass, I was still excited about the concept and the possibilities but began to think about the details of implementing these actions and the possible consequences of such. (Yeah, yeah, we totally could do this. It could work if we did it peacefully and without violence. What about the half of the country that actually likes the government that is currently in place? Would they be willing to recognize as legitimate a new form of government? Given the chance to elect new government representatives would they elect representatives of the same character and mentality of those currently serving? Would we be right back where we started with an evenly divided set of government representatives?)

After my third pass, the excitement had worn off and reality began to sink in. Questions lingered. (Hey, wait a minute. What if the elected officials currently in place refused to go? What if half the country refused to recognize a new government and therefore refused to participate in electing new representation for themselves. Wouldn't they see the new government as not representative of their own rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness? Would they feel forced to take action as we did? Would they do so peacefully or violently?)

After my fourth pass, complete and utter dread set in. (Oh no, there is no chance at a peaceful reformation and resolution with half of the country. There would be terrible violence and bloodshed. The entire country would shut down upon itself.)

After my fifth pass, I began to negotiate with myself and offer compromises within the current system that didn't lead to total chaos and bloodshed the likes of which we've not seen and could not imagine. (If the problem is that two halves of the country have completely different mindsets, ideas, and values, would we be more successful integrating change within the current system so as not to alienate half the country and instigate violence on their part? How could we do that? Could we some mandate that the new session of Congress after the 2010 elections immediately address our primary concerns as their first order of business and forbid them to take any other actions, pass any other laws? How could we do that?)

After my sixth pass, I'm left feeling that the only avenue to successful (and peaceful) change, reformation, and reduction of the current system of government will only be possible within the framework of the system in place today.

I'm going to read it again. Did you consider any of these scenarios in your head? Did you ask yourself any of these questions? Did you come to the conclusion that peaceful, nonviolent change could be successfully implemented? If so, how did you reach that conclusion? I need to understand that thought process. (It's an honest, sincere question and is absolutely not intended to be sarcastic or antagonistic in any way.)

287 posted on 07/18/2009 4:33:44 PM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (Integrity, Character, Leadership, and Loyalty matter - Be an example, no matter the cost.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Bookmark for later review.


288 posted on 07/18/2009 4:36:56 PM PDT by PowerPro (United States of America : 1776-2008...RIP)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m in. If this be treason, let us make the most of it.


289 posted on 07/18/2009 4:37:34 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Jim Robinson
The social security system is hereby dissolved, disbanded and closed.

Same with welfare.

A girl can dream.....

290 posted on 07/18/2009 4:37:40 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Jim Robinson

“A Constitution is a thing antecedent to a Government, and a Government is only the creature of a Constitution. The Constitution of a country is not the act of a Government, but of the people constituting a Government. It is the body of elements, to which you can refer, and quote article by article, and which contains the principles on which the Government shall be established. Then manner in which it shall be organized, the powers it shall have, the mode of elections, the duration of Parliments, or by what other name such bodies may be called, the powers which the executive part of the Government shall have, and in fine, everything that relates to the compled organization of a civil Government, and the principles on which it shall act, and by which it shall be bound. ...the Government is in like manner governed by the Constitution.” Rights of Man, by Thomas Paine

The Looters, who have seized the citadel of our nation, each pledge to honor and defend our constitution. They have failed to fulfill that pledge of office. Without a Constitution we have no law, no civil government, and no security in our inalienable rights to Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.

We should perhaps recall the words of Sam Adams, on the eve of the Minute Men gathering on the green at Lexington, “If ye be men, take up your arms and arrest the King’s officers.”

The question we must each answer, for ourselves, in the near future is, “Are we the men our forefathers were?”


291 posted on 07/18/2009 4:39:27 PM PDT by Parawan (Do we live in an Empire or a Republic? Ask yourself 'Do I feel like a subject or a Citizen?')
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To: Jim Robinson
SIT DOWN AND REFUSE TO DISPERSE WHEN THE AUTHORITIES SAY "event over". If you haven't already, I suggest you call the following to determine the current laws, regulations, and punishments regarding refusal to disperse.

Metropolitan Police Department, Special Events Branch,
(202) 727-4635

Department of Parks and Recreation 3149 16th Street, NW Washington, DC 20010
(202) 673-7647

292 posted on 07/18/2009 4:40:41 PM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: Califreak

No flame here-

You show good sense my Liberty Loving friend. A cloud of tear gas and a panicked crowd is no place for a child or even a semi-invalid.


293 posted on 07/18/2009 4:43:16 PM PDT by Parawan (Do we live in an Empire or a Republic? Ask yourself 'Do I feel like a subject or a Citizen?')
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To: Jim Robinson

http://patdollard.com/2009/07/the-first-of-a-relentless-series-of-national-strikes-against-the-dictator-has-been-called-for-wednesday-november-4th/

Please read through the comments... To DC we go....


294 posted on 07/18/2009 4:46:34 PM PDT by freedom lives
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To: Datahead

No problem with that...which is why we need at least a million people in D.C. September 10-12. And those who cannot make it to D.C. need to march on their state capitol or the nearest major city. It needs to be countrywide so we make it very clear that we hate what these idiots are doing to our country.


295 posted on 07/18/2009 4:46:37 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable, and unambiguous clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: Alter Kaker

We don’t want to overthrow our government, we want to get it back to it’s original state.


296 posted on 07/18/2009 4:47:31 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Looking for our Sam Adams)
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To: Jim Robinson
That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing

is this not endorsing the overthrow of the present administration ?

by whatever means possible ?

and is not the actual intent of the second amendment "right to keep and bear arms" written law in order to secure this ability to overthrow such a rogue government as the Obama Administration ?

because the founders knew this was bound to happen and that "peaceful means" would be futile ?

297 posted on 07/18/2009 4:48:33 PM PDT by KTM rider ( revolution is the only thing that can save us now)
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To: BuckeyeTexan
within the framework of the system in place today.

The system in place today is corrupt. Think ACORN. How will we ever have a valid vote again?

298 posted on 07/18/2009 4:50:00 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Looking for our Sam Adams)
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To: Parawan
You show good sense my Liberty Loving friend. A cloud of tear gas and a panicked crowd is no place for a child or even a semi-invalid.

No, they should be there because the day that happens is the day uniformed personnel become enemy combatants.
299 posted on 07/18/2009 4:55:55 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: Tzimisce

So what? Our spiritual forebears were called traitors and rabble by King George and his bullies.


300 posted on 07/18/2009 4:56:22 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (We're definitely in the Rise of the Empire era, but is Obama Valorum or Palpatine?)
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