Posted on 07/18/2009 11:30:17 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
Edited on 07/18/2009 11:48:33 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Oh, OK, I see your point, the louses.
This may be true by way of historical trend analysis. That is, progressive era begat Woodrow Wilson, who in WWI gave a dry run of Govt control, which was revived in FDR's time as the New Deal. The New Deal was locked in place by 20 years of Democrat control of the Presidency, and when Eisenhower came to power, he had no desire/agenda to repeal things like farm supports, social security etc.
The next liberal wave was LBJ's Great Society. that was 40 years ago. In the 1970s we got more liberalism under Nixon (EPA etc) and Carter. Reagan rolled back taxes, but even Medicare which was started under LBJ was kept.
Reagan successfully turned the trajectory of governmental advance, but did not alas give us smaller government. He merely stopped the socialists advance and for 25 years or so, we've enjoyed prosperity under this system.
Which lead us to today. This frog has been slowly boiled for at least a century or more. Now Obama is turning up the heat yet more.
Choose your battles. We cannot undo a century of advance of 'progressive' Big Government intrusion in our personal and economic affairs. Most voters may not want to, as many are ignorant of history (educated by schools pushing these progressive agendas as indoctrination points).
What can we undo? What can we defend? We cannot undo what happened a century ago, right now. What we can do is STOP THE OBAMA AGENDA TO MAKE AMERICA A SEMI-SOCIALIST STATE.
Choose your battles, focus your attention. Then you win.
How much longer? How much more do we need to take? The Federal Boot grows heavy and is trying to crush our spirit. With rifle and axe our ancestors tamed a wild land; the only health insurance they had was a whiskey bottle, a roll of cloth and FAITH. What have we become?....
Maybe the time is not here/not right, but be ready, a time of choosing will come in our lifetime..
Obama is only part of the problem. As I stated previously, the federal government is out of control. They have usurped states' rights by completely ignoring the 10th amendment.
The federal government was intended to have limited and well defined powers and responsibilities. They have instead grown into a monster which destroys everything/everyone who gets in its way. They show more concern for terrorists' and illegals' rights than they do for hard-working tax-paying citizens.
The populists and progressives of the day were snake oil salesmen writ large. Convinced the people that we needed a big central government to look after us little people. Then when all went south and their policies sent the world’s economy into a great depression, up from the ashes arose a great sPhincter, er Phoenix of all humanity, the socialist messiah, Franklin D. Roosevelt. The rest is history. And history repeats itself before our very eyes.
Not a good idea.
Better to win the next election honestly, then walk back the bad laws by repeal.
To do that you have to WIN, not scare off your potential allies.
“And history repeats itself before our very eyes.”
As then, “..you never want a serious crisis to go to waste.”
If it didn’t translate, I was being facetious with the ‘louses’ remark.
He and I both know what that generation was like.
Nope. Just trying to attract true patriots who are unafraid to speak the truth and take the fight directly to the enemy.
Thanks much for posting that link. Much reading to do, and I’m getting more fired up than ever!! Godspeed.
Much too big of a bite IMO. While all stated goals are admirable, and would solve the ill that face our Republic, the stout medicine would kill the weakened patient.
I have chosen my weapons and seek the Achilles heel to bring the giant to it’s knees. I am focusing on first transforming our tax code which repeals the 16th amendment via the FairTax and in the back up quiver, I am seeking an effective organization to bring about term limits to end the rule by professional politicians.
The Fairtax appeals across party lines and has a real chance of transforming our economy. We’re going to need it.
It is the only peaceful way I see to bring about change.
By the way, I’m hoping that the rest of the country is not missing the point that the grassroots TEA Party organizers are not inviting Republican leaders or officeholders to speak. There’s a reason for that.
The Republicans have betrayed and failed to defend us as much as the Democrats have taken us down the wrong road.
We’re not settling for business as usual. When we say throw the bums out, we’re speaking of the bums in both parties.
Republican officeholders who wish to keep their seats had better climb aboard the Liberty train well before it leaves the station. Actions speak much louder than words.
Every Republican worth saving will vote enbloc against Obama’s nominees, tax increases, takeovers, bailouts, health care plans, carbon scams, etc, or he’s not worth squat to us.
Vote with OBAMA you go down!! Period!!
Don't let the door hit ya, newbie nobody troll.
See ya later, DU/KOS troll.
(Why don’t you just tell us your new screen name? What are you up to, your 4th or 5th?)
Yeah, darn that pesky piece of paper called the Constitution! Only traitors want to see it adhered to! Good comrades know it's just a piece of paper!
(AMF.)
I don’t care what you name it as long as it means repealing the 16th amendment and abolishing the IRS and the enslaving income tax, social security, medicare, entitlement and other social transfer programs. The Constitution provides a means to fund the “legal” federal government and we should return to that. The legal federal government is about 10% or less of the size of the current massive federal behemoth and the largest single expense would be for funding and supporting the Army and Navy. I would not go along with any tax system devised to support business as usual for the illegally expanding unconstitutional federal government that has usurped the powers and rights constitutionally reserved to the states and the people.
While I share your deep frustration with the Republic's current direction, I do not support your call for "recalling and removing from office the President of the United States, the Vice President of the United States and all U.S. Senators and U.S. Representatives effective immediately." Such removal, as you have described it, has no provision under law. More importantly, I think your argument for removal may be flawed.
Your basic argument for removal--if I understand it correctly--is as follows:
1st Premise: "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government," [Declaration of Independence]The 2nd premise is only partially true. But, to the extent that it is true, it is consistent with the Founders' intentions, as I understand them. The weakness of the 2nd premise casts doubt upon the overall validity of your argument.2nd Premise: "They [government] are acting without our consent." [your assertion in post #1]
Conclusion: The present government should be removed [your assertion, paraphrased from post #1]
Specifically, regarding the truthful aspect of the 2nd premise: in a Republic of elected representatives, as opposed to a democracy, representatives sometimes act contrarily to the will of the public. This phenomenon is intentional (see Federalist No. 10, for example) and not unique to the present administration.
Regarding the dubious aspect of the 2nd premise: the present government has overall consent insofar as it has been duly elected in the vast majority if not all cases.
In summary, your conclusion may be unfounded due to the weakness of the 2nd premise.
I realize that my analysis is abstract and tightly constrained. However, I believe that trust in reason is preferable to the temptations of inflamed passions.
What’s “Dancing with the Stars”? I don’t care about that pop-culture hubris. I care about providing for my family and saving my country.
Guess we’d better strengthen the 2nd premise then. It’s either that or fold our tents, take our lumps, go home and don our chains like good little serfs.
Thanks
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