Skip to comments.If we could get millions of Americans to march on Washington, what would we do?
Posted on 07/18/2009 11:30:17 AM PDT by Jim RobinsonEdited on 07/18/2009 11:48:33 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
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When the long train of abuses (100 years and going)...
I absolutely loved the part where Hillary ascends to the presidency. If we get her and her fans on board, we will truly be bipartisan. And bisexual to boot! Woo hoo!!
“I believe that real American patriots have more faith in our over 200-year-old system of Government than to think it will all collapse just because the wrong people got elected.”
How about defining what a “True American Patriot” is.
I am under the impression that the Founding Patriots believed that any system that men could construct, other men could destroy, and all that it required is a lack of vigilance on the part of the citizens. That is why they very carefully attempted to limit and restrict the power that the government could exercise. A two century long tradition of continuity is certainly no guarantee that a nation or a state will continue into the future. The list of states that no longer exist is quite long.
I fixed it for you...
Use the third box: SUE the government over every action not plainly empowered by the Constitution.
Perhaps with a generous dose of tarring and feathering. Equating that with slavery is a sign of abject wussiness.
Uh....excuse me. My 2A rights are not negotiable.
I joined this protest with the understanding that it would not be a violent confrontation. If there will be armed hotheads attending this protest, I will stay home and suggest the same to other families.
Guns are illegal in DC. If you want to show up with your guns, please join with one of the other groups. FR is not condoning the use of firearms. You will be helping the MSM destroy FR.
That was Iran - this is America - we have a 1000 to 1 ratio of available instant communications... we don’t have a totalitarian government (Yet)...
Besides - I really don’t identify with FEAR ... I have no fear of confronting what the government might do to shut us down... I am not afraid of such things ... I want and wish for confrontation ... I want the Obama government to screw up by cracking heads - it will be the end of the Obamanation if he did push for strong arm tactics...
Our Patriot Forefathers did not wince from such thoughts - they did not hesitate, they took action, they did not FEAR... they fought... they did more than talk — they moved forward - struck back, rallied, aroused the crowd — ALL Because our Patriot Heroes of the 1770’s knew the consequences of failure to take action... and the consequences (as is now) would have been to sign up for servitude... indentured slaves to the Monarchy...
The stakes are no different today than they were then...
I for one have no plans to be an indentured slave - owned by Obama — I will FIGHT...
Fire arms are NOT illegal in Washington DC.
Because a person is carrying a firearm doesn’t make them a hothead.
But your comment does show you are prejustice against gun owners, perhaps you’re on the wrong forum, maybe try DU.
Sorry to disappoint you, but I am not against gun owners. I am for the 2nd amendment but I believe in responsible gun ownership. I think it would be a big mistake to march into DC armed and ready for civil war.
My family has always owned guns and we will continue to own guns but they will not be used because we were infiltrated by a couple of hotheads. Cooler heads prevail.
Personally, I’m planning to take my 9 yo granddaughter. I have no intention of putting her in the middle of an armed conflict.
I’m sorry if I was misinformed about fire arms in DC. If you are planning to bring gunfire to DC, I suggest you try a different forum. Jim is not suggesting a violent protest. The event organizers are not condoning violence. Maybe you should plan and coordinate a separate march.
Of course, if all 77 million of them marched on DC, that would be a different story. :-)
I already do...wink...
If you are truly serious about this, include a provision to abolish the Federal Reserve. The Warburgs, Rothschilds, Morgans, etc. can go run somebody else’s financial system.
Also, a provision to get us back on a Gold Standard without causing economic collapse in the process would be nice. Part of the government’s problem is that it can print fiat currency with abandon and damn the consequences (hyperinflation). The only serious problem in the way of this, that I see, is that the IMF or some other global organization owns a vast amount of gold, and could thus manipulate our currency if we went back to a Gold Standard.
“That would mean that Hillary Clinton would become interim Chief Executive?”
As I said to Jim Thompson...I think it is DIABOLICAL...
I think Hillary is self-interested enough that she would jump at this opportunity. She may be a democrat, but she can tell which way the wind is blowing and position herself accordingly.
The provision is already there. That's the beauty of restoring the constitution as the supreme law of the land. All federal departments, agencies, programs, pogroms, congressional acts, court rulings, etc, that cannot be proven to be 100% in compliance and expressly enumerated and authorized by the constitution are hereby rendered null and void and shuttered tight. Kaput. I don't see any provision in the constitution for a federal reserve.
We can get along fine without the federal reserve. The only thing they're good at is creating economic bubbles and crashes so huge that they imperil our society and the republic itself. Each bubble to meltdown cycle is larger and more perilous than the last. If this one doesn't wipe us out, the next one (under Obama's socialist guidance) most certainly will.
I am glad to see your Statement I have been waiting for some one to get the balls enough to start. You are so right it is time to cast out this government and myself and my family are ready to help. It is time to show Americans are no longer going to take these abuses so lets take back our REPUBLIC and stomp out SOCIALISM and SOCIAL Activists in our GREAT NATION.
GOD BLESS AMERICA AND ALL BRAVE AMERICANS WILLING TO FIGHT FOR WHATS RIGHT.
Supporting the 2A by open carry of a firearm does not mean the individual is a hothead, nor is it the promotion of violence. It is exercising a right.
Yours is the reason we have so many anti-gun laws on the books.
You forgot to mention that all judges are to back their opinions based on the text and intention of the laws as they are written, not on whatever they feel like at the time.
One more thing.
I, mjaneangels@aolcom am a signatory to the above petition.
“Im afraid the present government would never relinquish its power by peaceful means.”
I fear that too, but we have non-violent tools at our disposal. Let’s use them and let the present government make their decisions.
Thank you very much Jim!
This is finally the start that we need.
Such as.... 1773 @ DC!!
Or, as a Freeper's tagline used to say:
U.S. Constitution © 1776 - All Rights Reserved
I particularly took took note of the fellow who said he wanted to prevent elections being stolen. By overthrowing the government, no less. I do have to wonder in the brave new world, what exactly is the plan to deal with liberals, (or even moderates) who might not be keen on having the next government of the “United States” decided in this manner? Prison? Indoctrination camps? Zoos?
“Were trying to wake people up. The enemy is working outside the paradigm while most on the right, somewhere in la-la land, still believe were just one election cycle away from a Reagan resurrectionIT AINT HAPPENING THAT WAY, FOLKS.”
Totally On Point - An Election Cycle is not going to restore anything... no voter verification in most states, ACORN skewing the 2010 Census, ACORN committing Voter Registration Fraud with Billions in Federal funds, Black Panthers intimidating voters and getting away with it, Special Interest being given our vote for hefty campaign contributions, Illegal Aliens voting by the millions...
And - people actually believe that Conservatives can win back the Presidency and take back Congress by going to the voting booth...
“IT AINT HAPPENING THAT WAY, FOLKS.”
The Bonus Army scenario is totally outdated -— I have previously posted a rebuttal to this ...
In modern times with thousands of points of instant communications (audio, video images, digital still images) — broadcast everywhere by cable, satellite, land line, cell phone, and much more - Government cannot be anywhere near so heavy handed...
If our ‘Government’ ordered ‘Night Stick’ clubbing, Tear gas slinging, Jack Boot Crotch Kicking, head bashing — Americans by the millions (not formerly involved) would march in the streets... Obama would lose totally...
“And - people actually believe that Conservatives can win back the Presidency and take back Congress by going to the voting booth...”
I didn’t say it was impossible to take back Congress, or the Presidency. It is certainly possible, but the right has to learn some lessons from the left in regard to subversion. It’s bloodsport nowadays.
My point was that it is not business as usual, Democrat versus Republican.
This new shadow party, if you will, is as hard-left as it comes and is doing damage right now.
We cannot sit and wait to vote.
We have to resist them right now.
No one’s talking about rebellion. What we are discussing is RESTORING THE CONSTITUTION to its rightful place as Supreme Law of the Land. By whatever means are needful. There can be no question of “rebellion,” as the source of all legitimate authority the Feds have is WE, THE PEOPLE. And if we REMOVE their authority because they’ve overstepped their bounds, that is NOT HARDLY rebellion. It is more akin to evicting some squatters from the Capitol Building and the White House. Is THAT OK for you?
If you could make it to DC for this event and conduct such misdemeanor (no felonies; no violence) "civil disobedience", I give you my Word of Honor I will pay your bail and small fine. I've actually post articles on FR saying I would do the same up to 20 people - got NO response. Not surprised. All you have to do, or anyone, just sit down and refuse to disperse when the authorities say game over. Once the LEO's move in, cooperate with them and let them handcuff you and get up and go. Resisting arrest is usually a felony. However, refusing to disperse is not. And we both know that most LEO's appreciate our position much more than the rowdy socialist's crap.
I've done some research, but I'm not clear on DC Metro, DC Park, and Fedgov Park regulations regarding this. It depends on where you make your stand. I've suggested to JR and others regarding this even that they look into local laws, regulations, and penalties for Sit-ins.
Bottom line is, no matter how many Tea Parties happen around the Country, unless we are willing to take it to the next level, with small sacrifice, the Media will ignore it like they did on April 15th and July 4th.
If I could be there (family illness precludes), I would be the first to just SIT down and/or chain myself to the Capitol steps. It's worked for the liberals for decades. Time to use their strategies against them. Your bro agrees with me. Freepmail me if you want more info. Best, ANV
I like a lot of what you propose but you go too far in opting for the so called current Secretary of State to assume control of the Federal government - and you don’t go quite far enough to rectify the major problems we face. The founders of our nation made a mistake in believing that a central government separate from the States was needed - it isn’t. What is needed to guarantee State’s rights and individual freedom from a centralistic monster is to have no separate central government incipient monster to begin with.
There should be no federal Executive branch, no separate Legislative Branch, and there should be no separate federal Judicial Branch. All these functions should be taken over by committees composed of members of corresponding State institutions to handle national issues. Legislative committees would have no authority to pass laws; they would simply make recommendations. Each recommendation would then be reviewed by judiciary committees for compliance to the Constitution. If passed then such recommendation for national measures would be referred to the State legislatures which would have to pass on them to get them on yearly State ballots for national measures. This would mean that no national measures could ever be enacted without a popular vote of the people. These committees could be hosted each year in a different state, perhaps based on their dates of acceptance into the union. The governor of the hosting state could fulfill a perfunctory role as the national representative to host visiting foreign officials, but there would be no law making authority or the exercise of military or other powers associated with the post.
Federal military service units would devolve to the appropriate State militias according, as you suggest, to which ever state they are based in. Similar joint state militia committees would be responsible for addressing national military needs. This arrangement would effectively eliminated our armed forces being dragged into foreign military adventurism without the approval of the citizenry of the majority of states.
We keep the Declaration of Independence, the first Ten Amendments as our Bill of Rights, and that’s about it. The Federal buildings in DC can be turned into museums.
Currency Reform. Well, of course the damn Federal Reserve is an abomination. But what to do after it’s gone. The calls for a return to a Gold Standard are correct in principle. However, there is a basic problem with how such standards have been implemented in the past, as they have always confused the relationships between true wealth, the medium of exchange, and the standard used. Because of this confusion it has always been easy to manipulate and debase the currency - the medium of exchange, because the ‘Standard’ has always been valuated in terms of the medium of exchange instead of the other way around.
For instance, to keep it simple lets say that the standard value of gold is set at ten dollars to the ounce, and the government has one million ounces of gold. The government can have a total of ten million dollars in circulation, and one dollar becomes equivalent to one-tenth of an ounce of gold. Lets also say that for one dollar you can get a cup of coffee, two fried eggs, four slices of bacon, and a piece of toast with a pad of butter - this food by the way is an example of ‘True Wealth’. In this scenario your monthly salary is five hundred dollars so you can buy five hundred breakfasts in a month...
Then the government in its extreme wisdom declares the value of the gold standard to be set at one hundred dollars. That means that one dollar is equivalent to one-hundredth of an ounce of gold, and the government can print one hundred million dollars: i.e. the medium of exchange, the dollar, has depreciated to one-tenth its former value, but the government can print ten times the amount of paper. What can you now buy for a dollar? Perhaps you can get a cup of coffee. Your salary by the way is still five hundred dollars and your buying power just depreciated to one tenth of what it was.
This is not a good system. What needs to be done is to turn things upside down and set the value of the medium of exchange, the currency, in terms of the standard: i.e. each denomination of currency has its value printed in ounces of gold. Instead of a one dollar bill you would have a one-tenth of an ounce (or whatever) bill. The currency can never be devalued in regards to the standard because its value is based on the standard instead of the other way around. The government can never just start up the printing presses and churn out more dollar bills because it can’t circulate more bills than the amount that reflect the total weight of gold the government has. Your salary can not be devalued at the government’s whim because it would be set in ounces of gold.
What would vary depending on market factors is the value of the various products that constitute true wealth: Crops, livestock, metals etc. brought to market. As production rates and harvest amounts vary according to real market factors then the value of each product in terms of the medium of exchange and the monetary standard will vary, but the currency itself never varies in regard to the monetary standard. Bankers would hate this if all national currencies reflected so many ounces of gold, as they wouldn’t be able to pull their smoke and mirrors trick to make people believe the lie that the medium of exchange is itself wealth. Neither would they be able to artificially manipulate currency exchange markets because all currencies would be equal. How about that..!
However, all of this would be a complete waste of time if no effective practical method for accountability is instituted to determine whether or not those who take an oath of office are qualified to begin with, or having served have done so in good faith or have violated their oaths. Methods to ensure accountability are a fundamental necessity - it is this lack which has brought us to where we are today. All people who hold positions of trust, including but not limited to: public office holders, police, bankers, lawyers, etc. should be required to submit to verification upon hire and at least once a year there after, and at anytime a question arises about their conduct. There is currently one method which fits all of these criteria, being simple, cheap, harmless, and highly effective. However, we can get into that later.
Way to go, Jim
“Hopefully, Oberman will read and report on this.”
Surely the PRO-OBAMA’s are aware of our plans for 9/12. Has anyone heard if they’re planning to show and oppose us? Sorry if it was mentioned somewhere...I haven’t seen it yet.
Hey Jim! We did it! Are we prepared to move forward?
I would walk to DC with my cane just to see you drag that old witch out from behind her gavel, tar and feather her and put her in a stockade so we could throw eggs at her.
do we need to bring guns if they wont give it up peacefully? because mine is getting tired of targets at the shooting range.
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