Posted on 07/20/2009 12:29:21 PM PDT by Kartographer
The White House expects LDS Church President Thomas Monson to present President Barack Obama with a detailed report on his genealogical history when the two leaders sit down for a quick meeting today,
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Mormons are the most Republican religious group in the United States, per most surveys.
and baptismal certificates.
And we know those surveys are totally accurate..............
It says in the Book of Mormon that if you shoot a beaver you have to eat it. Is that true?
Traced back to Idi Amin.
If only Catholics voted like Mormons, than the northeast and upper midwest would be GOP territory.
WTF is up with all the Mormon-bashing by the Fundies anyway? I'm an agnostic, and don't have much of a positive opinion of organized religion as it stands, btw.
I’m ROFLing just at the title of the thread.
I thought Mormonism had it’s roots in the Americas.
The database which the church maintains is fascinating, to say the least, but only as accurate as the records which support it.
It would be interesting to know how many slave traders are in his African background.
Some of ObaMao's roots can be found on-line at http://www.wargs.com and, interestingly enough, I share the same common ancestor which he shares with Dick Cheney.
You mean this isn’t from The Onion?!? I’m sure 0bama will bury the results like everything else in this catagory!
and how can the LDS trace Kenyan birth records? I really doubt they have much record keeping over there....
Oh, to be a fly on the wall at that meeting.........
I can tell by your chose of "words"....you an agnostic.
BTW, tell me...with your insight...just how did you come to the conclusion my post was bashing mormons?
None of Mr. Obama's ancestors lived under slavery in North America. The first of Mr. Obama's paternal ancestors to leave Kenya was Mr. Obama's own father, who left in the mid-20th century, about 100 years after slavery had been abolished in the United States.
Several of Mr. Obama's maternal ancestors owned slaves. Mr. Obama's slave-owning ancestors include George Washington Overall (number 110, above, husband of Mrs. Louisiana Duvall Overall and father-in-law of the Christopher Columbus Clark mentioned above) and Mrs. Mary Grable Duvall (number 223, above, mother of Mrs. Louisiana Duvall Overall and grandmother-in-law of Christopher Columbus Clark), both of whom are enumerated in the 1850 Federal Census as slave owners. George Washington Overall is also enumerated in the 1860 Federal Census as a slave owner. Other slave-owning ancestors of Mr. Obama include John P. Childress (or Childers, number 212, above), who was enumerated in the 1860 Federal Census as a slave owner. See the Extracts from the Federal Censuses, above, for details. See also Note 224, above.
From what I have been able to collaborate elsewhere, the research on this site is really quite good and, as far as I can see, the authors have no political axe to grind or agenda to promote.
If only.
You seem to be bashing the Mormons too unless you don't consider Mormonism an organized religion. Moral relativism is flawed.
I don’t think any meeting about Obama’s genealogy could be “quick”.
“And President Obama will ALSO show his family roots by...explaining he was born In Kenya”
That could explain why they are helping with Obama’s genealogy. They are doing it for the challenge.
Don't ask. I asked the same thing and went to their defense (although I am a non-Mormon lawyer) and ended up getting permanently banned from the Religion Forum: then, when I, without looking, accidentally dared to reply to a ping (which happened to be from a religous thread, got suspended from FR for over a week and threatened with permanent suspension entirely from FR if I dared post to the Religous forum again. So, ever since then I have been somewhat wary of posting to the Mormon-hating bigots here -- or getting into discussions about that great religion.
Boy, that sentence just conjures up stuff could get me banned.
Do not mistake that for acceptance of Obama's agenda, or his positions. Members of the Church and the beliefs of the Church stand at abject odds to Obama's positons and the Church is not afraid to take that stand.
Those states where Mormon membership is in the majority (Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, etc.) are among the most red states in the country.
Besides, if ever made public, I am almost sure that these geneological records would show that Obama's ancestors enslaved and sold Jesse Jackson's ancestors.
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I think you’re missing the point. The meeting is not an endorsement. Family history is what the Mormons do, they are the best at it in the world. It should be interesting to see what they found re Barry Soetoro’s genealogy.
Well, the vagaries of your post lead me to believe the same thing. /s
Don’t forget the little thingy at the end of my post “/s”
Important point, and very true!!
See post about Rush now questioning 0’s eligibility to be president.
Excellent....!!
And from a "lawyer" no less.............
P.S. The whining was touching............I've some very palatable cheese...ya want some?
Actually, if one were to remain strictly truthful, basing any assertions upon proofs, a meeting with Barry Soeotor regarding his geneology would be quite short, since the biological connection to Barack Obama of Kenya is not yet a proven fact.
You got to explain your big words....
What's "vagaries" mean?....
And what's that "thingy" mean?
You got booted for cussing and threatening and ‘making it personal’.
I do not know how this so-called “genealogy” of the President can be accurate because nobody has seen his official birth certificate.
My cousin (the family genealogist) is a Mormon and I have copies of Mormon issued work-sheets to record births, deaths, marraiges, etc. All of them have spaces for the actual records, or record numbers. It is allowable to enter the phrase “by mouth” while you are researching meaning that the information came by word of mouth, but none of it counts unless there is an actual record, or notation in a published book.
Until Obama supplies his actual birth certificate, it is all Phffft! Better that he should suply his DNA for comparisons to those many half siblings, since there is a major question about that.
The Mormons have it traced back to Adam and Eve. I am not kidding.
I have asked questions, in these Mormons posts, and had some downright abrupt and aggressive responses. Mind you, my friends are Mormons but the live in their Holy Lands, so I can't just have a discussion with them.
However, I take care of a friend who is 99 and a Mormon. I am interested in learning about Mormons and their point of view but most of the time I get SHOUTED AT IN BOLD LETTERS with something like the following:
You are not LDS. Get out!!! (don't know how they would determine that one)
Are you a Mormon? If not, these discussions are not open to you.(Why if your religion is so great and as I understand More Perfect than others, shouldn't it to my benefit and yours that I am converted to your faith. Wouldn't it be an act that is a Glory to God?)
Why do you attack Mormons? You know nothing about LDS!(this one really grates on me as my questions are absolutely about understanding or clarification and I make clear that my friend is Mormon and she enjoys these articles. I, not being steeped in Mormon theology, am asking questions so I might more intelligently have discussions with my friend who will one day be gone from me.)
There have been many other reaction like that and I don't understand them. They act as if they are a secret society and frankly I don't see how belonging to something so secretive would be appealing to one who is troubled or has thought about God or Salvation.
I would think God, as your father, would be open to you calling on him anytime, anywhere for help with anything. At least that is what my father is and I would hope that God is sitting around fixing stuff in the Universe waiting for me to come, to him, for guidance.
Believe me, if you have ever read my questions they are from a purely information purpose, never argumentative and when I can get an honest response I find them informative.
All the LDS Church can go on is documented paperwork. Zero’s father was a profligate spreader of his seed so I doubt there’s much accuracy in the geneology. I’m hopeful that his distant relative Chaney is prominently display in the chart. Since Zero wasn’t born, we’ll have to remember him through his assumption sometime into the future.
I meant to add that I agree with the posters above who say that this presentation of Barry S’s genealogy is a courtesy extended to all Presidents.
That was quick. Well “In the Beginning” does too. As in the Book of Genesis. We know which came first.
A relative of my father’s mother told him she found our family is related to 0bama through his mother ... if this chart don’t indicate the same, it’s a fraud!! ;)
Noooo, sorry for the misunderstanding. We were speaking of Genealogy in general, how far back has it been traced, not of Barry’s FH.
When it comes to family trees, the Mormons are the experts.
So does Obama need to be paying out some reparations?
Think that they might have a long form BC in there somewhere?
I was hoping for the church to do 67 marker DNA tests for Barry and all his ancestors. (/s)
I suspect the call came in from Harry Reid...
I hope LDS keeps the original in a safe somewhere.
with over 17 Million entries.
Screw you, asshole.
You had better go back and look who started that personal BS first.
Kind of hard to do a genealogy without knowing where Obama was born.
Don’t ask me. I’m from Hulbert, near Tahlequah.
Just kidding. The Vagueness I refer to is a joke. The other poster had you pegged a Mormon basher. Personally, and I ain’t no genius, I did not see that in your post.
The /s is a tag to let you know my post has sarcasm in it so as not to offend and maybe cause a laugh or smile.
I presume you are in OK by your handle. Where are you from?
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