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Jimmy Carter Leaves Church Over Treatment of Women
Politics Daily ^ | July 20, 2009 | Ria Misra

Posted on 07/20/2009 12:49:32 PM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia

After more than 60 years together, Jimmy Carter has announced himself at odds with the Southern Baptist Church -- and he's decided it's time they go their separate ways. Via Feministing, the former president called the decision "unavoidable" after church leaders prohibited women from being ordained and insisted women be "subservient to their husbands." Said Carter in an essay in The Age:

At its most repugnant, the belief that women must be subjugated to the wishes of men excuses slavery, violence, forced prostitution, genital mutilation and national laws that omit rape as a crime. But it also costs many millions of girls and women control over their own bodies and lives, and continues to deny them fair access to education, health, employment and influence within their own communities.

And, later:

The truth is that male religious leaders have had -- and still have -- an option to interpret holy teachings either to exalt or subjugate women. They have, for their own selfish ends, overwhelmingly chosen the latter. Their continuing choice provides the foundation or justification for much of the pervasive persecution and abuse of women throughout the world.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: baptists; carter; goodriddance; idiotalert; jimmycarter; religiousleft; sbc; southernbaptists; stuckonstupid; uselessidiot
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1 posted on 07/20/2009 12:49:32 PM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I guess he’ll become a Sunni now, or maybe a Persian Shia.


2 posted on 07/20/2009 12:50:13 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Obama anti-democracy in Iran and pro-dictatorship in Honduras.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I don’t believe anything he says and distrust anything that motivates him. However, for what it is worth, if I went to a church like that then I’d leave it to.


3 posted on 07/20/2009 12:51:22 PM PDT by mudblood
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To: prairiebreeze; Beloved Levinite; TwelveOfTwenty; arderkrag; dixiebelle; raynearhood; ...

Baptist ping


4 posted on 07/20/2009 12:51:37 PM PDT by WKB (From "Handout" to "Bailout")
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
the former president called the decision "unavoidable" after church leaders prohibited women from being ordained and insisted women be "subservient to their husbands."

I thought it was bad when this evil little troll took out on President Bush but now he's gone after St. Paul! His arrogance has no bounds.

5 posted on 07/20/2009 12:51:57 PM PDT by pgkdan ( I miss Ronald Reagan!)
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To: WalterSkinner

Your denomination just improved with this loss.


6 posted on 07/20/2009 12:51:59 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
But how can that be??? He has kissed Muslim butt all over the planet of all shades and stripes.
7 posted on 07/20/2009 12:52:07 PM PDT by Cheetahcat (Zero the Wright kind of Racist! We are in a state of War with Democrats)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Bye, Carter. Maybe you can go join a secular Humanist congregration...it fits your world view best.

I'm not a Baptist, but neither was Carter.

8 posted on 07/20/2009 12:52:07 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

And keep going, please, Jimmah.


9 posted on 07/20/2009 12:52:09 PM PDT by Elpasser
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Honorable Jimmy Carter Pictures, Images and Photos
10 posted on 07/20/2009 12:52:12 PM PDT by Snickering Hound
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

He is TOTALLY distorting the statement about women submitting themselves to the husbands.

Of course, that’s what those of a worldly worldview do - follow the techniques and practices of their father, the devil (John 8:42-47)


11 posted on 07/20/2009 12:52:34 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Just go away, Jimmy.


12 posted on 07/20/2009 12:53:20 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

jimmy carter is a woman


13 posted on 07/20/2009 12:53:23 PM PDT by sfvgto (Dear Congress, my name is Jimmie....gimmie, gimmie, gimmie)
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To: Snickering Hound

He has lusted after women in his heart. ;)

What part of Gen 3:16 is Carter having problems with?


14 posted on 07/20/2009 12:53:31 PM PDT by allmendream ("Wealth is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?")
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I guess he missed the part about husbands loving their wives as Christ loves the Church (self sacrificial love)
I’m glad I just have the submit part!
(and no I’m not a Baptist, but the scripture says what it says)


15 posted on 07/20/2009 12:53:46 PM PDT by Mom MD (Jesus is the Light of the world!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

If he were logical, he would repudiate the death cult for its treatment of women.


16 posted on 07/20/2009 12:53:52 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (both the left and the jihadis want to destroy Western Civilization, and have already started)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
Either these guys are REALLY late to the fair, or Jimmuh is just trying to get some publicity.

He left the Southern Baptists at least two years ago, probably more. It was all over the papers here.

This is like a third-hand article from some feminist blog. Maybe they JUST heard about it . . . .

17 posted on 07/20/2009 12:53:55 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

This is the same president who kisses up to Islamic extremist....WHAT A HYPOCRITE!!!!!!1


18 posted on 07/20/2009 12:54:04 PM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: Snickering Hound

Hahahaha. Stop you’re killing me.

I wonder where that statue is?


19 posted on 07/20/2009 12:54:49 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

The Bible does speak of wives subservience to husbands — but I fail to see how that is equivalent to all women being subserviant to all men. I also fail to see how that excuses slavery, rape, mutiliation, etc. ...

Carter distorts the position of the SBC, then leaves based on the distortion?

SD


20 posted on 07/20/2009 12:55:57 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("Talk low, talk slow, and don't say too much." -- John Wayne)
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To: AnAmericanMother

IIRC, he started a new religion with x42.


21 posted on 07/20/2009 12:56:40 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
At its most repugnant, the belief that women must be subjugated to the wishes of men excuses slavery, violence, forced prostitution, genital mutilation and national laws that omit rape as a crime. But it also costs many millions of girls and women control over their own bodies and lives, and continues to deny them fair access to education, health, employment and influence within their own communities.

This could only come from someone who has absolutely no understanding of the Bible.

22 posted on 07/20/2009 12:56:52 PM PDT by Pete
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Of course — he’s smarter than the scriptures.


23 posted on 07/20/2009 12:56:58 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("A new Dark Ages made all the more terrible and prolonged by the sinister powers of science.")
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To: AnAmericanMother

This is what I thought...I remember the episode where he attended some environmental-friendly Baptist group meeting and said that he was going a different direction. My question....after he said he was leaving two years ago...did he just forget that and this is actual real end now? Or is this fake too, and a third episode will occur in two years?


24 posted on 07/20/2009 12:57:07 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

If only I could get him to leave the country.


25 posted on 07/20/2009 12:57:41 PM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

But, but, but, but that means he can’t teach Baptist Sunday school anymore. And he needs that for his P.R. image, doesn’t he? He’s too old to swing a hammer and crawl around houses under construction by Habitat for Humanity, so he needs the Sunday School gig all the more.

What’s Jimmuh going to do if he can’t teach Sunday School anymore? Episcopalians don’t have Sunday School.

I guess he’ll have to make do with Madrassa guest lectures.


26 posted on 07/20/2009 12:57:42 PM PDT by Houghton M.
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To: elhombrelibre

Yeah, that was my thought. He should just get it over with an become a Muslim.


27 posted on 07/20/2009 12:58:09 PM PDT by rbg81 (DRAIN THE SWAMP!!)
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To: Snickering Hound
That gal wouldn't stand there and let ‘ol Jimma touch her like that if she knew where Jimma’s hand had been -— shaking hands with Yessir Arafat, who died of Aids!
28 posted on 07/20/2009 12:59:00 PM PDT by TRY ONE (NUKE the unborn gay whales!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
After more than 60 years together, Jimmy Carter has announced himself at odds with the Southern Baptist Church

So he's been ok with it for 60 years and now he's seen the light?

29 posted on 07/20/2009 12:59:10 PM PDT by McGruff (Only dead fish go with the flow.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
the belief that women must be subjugated to the wishes of men excuses slavery, violence, forced prostitution, genital mutilation and national laws that omit rape as a crime.

I don't think any of the above follow from the Biblical notion that the husband is the head of the household who also has a duty to love his wife and childrens for whom he is responsible.

30 posted on 07/20/2009 12:59:16 PM PDT by Unam Sanctam
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Baptists everywhere rejoice. You will never see him this critical of Islam.

Pray for America


31 posted on 07/20/2009 12:59:16 PM PDT by bray (The messiah has no robe)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Not to be a smart-alec, but I’ll wager that the Southern Baptists are relieved to be done with him. Most Baptists are big supporters of Israel, and it’s become apparent that Carter is a Judas to Israel.


32 posted on 07/20/2009 12:59:16 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: BenLurkin

If you pin most leftist “Christians” down on the conflicts between their ideology and the plain statements of the Bible,
they’ll reject scripture in favor of their liberal ideology.

Several places in the Bible tell of such people. James 4:4 probably says it best:
You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.


33 posted on 07/20/2009 12:59:25 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Not to be a smart-alec, but I’ll wager that the Southern Baptists are relieved to be done with him. Most Baptists are big supporters of Israel, and it’s become apparent that Carter is a Judas to Israel.


34 posted on 07/20/2009 12:59:28 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged
If he were logical, he would repudiate the death cult for its treatment of women.

You can't judge other cultures, you fascist bigot! They're quaint! [/sarcasm]

35 posted on 07/20/2009 12:59:53 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Be`ever haYarden be'Eretz Mo'av; ho'iyl Mosheh be'er 'et-haTorah hazo't le'mor.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Oh Golly! I thought he had left years ago!

Oh well - the SBC is FINALLY done with him.


36 posted on 07/20/2009 1:00:26 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (I loathe the ground he slithers on!)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

What is going to do quit every couple of years? I know he’s done this once before and threatened over other things.


37 posted on 07/20/2009 1:00:48 PM PDT by GulfBreeze (Palin 2012 - For The Change You Wanted!!!)
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To: All

Jimmy should read the Bible before inserting his left-leaning foot in his mouth.


38 posted on 07/20/2009 1:00:56 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: AnAmericanMother
He left the Southern Baptists at least two years ago,...

News to me! Around here we don't mch care what Jimmy's doing...quitting or joining

39 posted on 07/20/2009 1:01:36 PM PDT by lonestar (Obama is turning Bush's "mess" into a catastrophe.)
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To: pepsionice
I found the original article - he left the SBC in 2000!!!!!!!

Jimmy Carter says he can 'no longer be associated' with the SBC

He did recently (July 19 I think) write an article for The Age which is quoted by this blog.

SO . . . this is just Jimmuh who cannot live unless the Press is paying attention to him. "Look at me! Look at Me! I'll recycle old stories until you LOOK AT ME!"

40 posted on 07/20/2009 1:01:57 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
"...Husbands love your wives the way Christ loved the church."

Jimmah, have you ever read this part of the scripture quote? Do you recall what Christ did for the church? Isn't this more than enough to make up for the man having the final say-so in family policy matters? Shouldn't you, if you are really a follower of Jesus, be reminding people inside of your congregation of how deeply and truely husbands should love, care for and cherish their wives, rather than taking the easy way out and walking?

41 posted on 07/20/2009 1:01:57 PM PDT by 50sDad (The Left cannot understand life is not in a test tube. Raise taxes, & jobs go away.)
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To: elhombrelibre

Men and women think differently. There’s no argument on that score. Consequently, it is entirely understandable if God wants to set up the church around a patriarchal structure to achieve His ends for the church. Jimmy seems to be falling for the heresy or apostasy of arguing that since Jimmy doesn’t believe that women should be barred from leadership roles then God either couldn’t have meant it or should listen to Jimmy more.

As I read the scriptures, you’ve got to do some pretty mean mental backflips to put women in the leadership positions. In fact, I cannot see anywhere in the text where any of the apostles or Jesus supported women in the leadership role (as opposed to other critical roles within the church), and plenty of passages in which women in the leadership role are a bad idea. Methinks Jimmy hasn’t opened his bible in a long, long time.


42 posted on 07/20/2009 1:02:02 PM PDT by FateAmenableToChange
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Why now? The Southern Baptists have banned women from being pastors for decades now. It’s been pretty clear for sometime that they weren’t going to change.


43 posted on 07/20/2009 1:02:10 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

Surprised he didn’t leave over SBC support of Israel.


44 posted on 07/20/2009 1:03:18 PM PDT by Jewbacca (The residents of Iroquois territory may not determine whether Jews may live in Jerusalem.)
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To: lonestar

Since I live in Atlanta, I could hardly avoid hearing about it. I was mistaken, though - it was almost ten years ago, not recently.


45 posted on 07/20/2009 1:03:44 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

if one chooses different parts of God’s Word to exclude, then one is “doing exactly what he wants to do” - playing like he knows as much as God..

Carter and obamanation have a lot in common


46 posted on 07/20/2009 1:03:57 PM PDT by bareford101
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To: mudblood

He doesn’t know his bible and evidently disagrees with what he does know.

Women are supposed to be reveared. Men are supposed to be leaders.

Carter is an idiot


47 posted on 07/20/2009 1:04:31 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I thought Jimma and Bubba began their own Baptist sect a couple of years ago.


48 posted on 07/20/2009 1:04:38 PM PDT by Carley (OBAMA IS A MALEVOLENT FORCE IN THE WORLD)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia

I thought he had done that years ago and joined a progressive Baptist denomination.

Well, it can only improve the Southern Baptists.


49 posted on 07/20/2009 1:04:43 PM PDT by chesley ("Hate" -- You wouldn't understand; it's a leftist thing)
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To: FateAmenableToChange
Speaking from a Catholic perspective, if Jesus didn't ordain his own mother, doesn't that tell you something?
50 posted on 07/20/2009 1:05:00 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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