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Creationist Governor Featured Speaker at RNC Meeting (Tim Pawlenty)
Little Green Footballs ^ | July 21, 2009 | Charles Johnson

Posted on 07/21/2009 11:42:28 AM PDT by EveningStar

...Like Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal and almost every other so-called GOP “frontrunner,” Pawlenty is a creationist, who’s in favor of teaching “intelligent design” creationism to children as science...

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I'm an "evil evolutionist" and I find Charles' obsession with creationists to be really excessive.
1 posted on 07/21/2009 11:42:28 AM PDT by EveningStar
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To: EveningStar

Jindal > Pawlenty


2 posted on 07/21/2009 11:43:33 AM PDT by exist
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To: EveningStar
"I'm an "evil evolutionist" and I find Charles' obsession with creationists to be really excessive. "

Same boat as you. People (either creationist or evolutionists) shouldn't give a lick which camp presidential aspirants fall into with respect to this issue. The President of the United States, nor the Federal judiciary, shouldn't be setting curriculum standards, locally controlled school board should. That is the conservative position.

3 posted on 07/21/2009 11:45:35 AM PDT by OldDeckHand (No Socialized Medicine, No Way, No How, No Time)
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To: exist
De acuerdo. Jindal just needs to polish his presentation skills. Pawlenty is a non-starter.

At this point, I am leaning towards Daniels on competence alone. If I voted strictly on ideology, I would have been a Ron Paul supporter, and even I have misgivings on his foreign policy ideas.

4 posted on 07/21/2009 11:46:55 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: EveningStar

Charles suffers from Christian Derangement Syndrome.


5 posted on 07/21/2009 11:47:22 AM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (1-20-09--The Beginning of an Error..............1-20-13--Change we can look forward to)
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To: EveningStar; GodGunsGuts; Quix; TaraP; Jo Nuvark

The article said — Like Louisiana Governor Bobby Jindal and almost every other so-called GOP “frontrunner,” Pawlenty is a creationist, who’s in favor of teaching “intelligent design” creationism to children as science. When the news came out that Sarah Palin had stated she wanted to teach “intelligent design” last year, Pawlenty rushed to agree with her:

Yeah Palin! I’m glad she’s in on the Intelligent Design as opposed to the false theory of evolution... :-)

Of course, since God is “intelligent” I certainly do believe in intelligent design...

[ ... pinging a good ole creationists, here...]


6 posted on 07/21/2009 11:47:52 AM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: EveningStar

I heard that LGF’s site has shifted politically recently.

But ignoring the source, I still present that many believers in a deity believe in some form of Creationism (ignore particulars of any “Creation story” or theory or belief).

If you believe that God created it, God as Creator, you believe in “Creationism”.

If you believe that God evolved from the Big Bang and was surprised as anyone else by life on the planet Earth, then you are advancing a little heard theory.

And there are probably some agnostics with faith who may be unwilling to declare that God created life but are unwilling to say there is no God either (”I know that I cannot know”).


7 posted on 07/21/2009 11:47:55 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: EveningStar

I’d appoint Darwin Czar of our economy if he’d cut spending ,cut governement ,cut taxes, and leave us alone.


8 posted on 07/21/2009 11:49:38 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: a fool in paradise

LGF has taken a sharp turn to the left with Charles’ anti-Christian rants. He was a staunch Bush supporter, but quickly jumped on ObamaMessiah wagon.


9 posted on 07/21/2009 11:50:51 AM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (1-20-09--The Beginning of an Error..............1-20-13--Change we can look forward to)
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To: NoKoolAidforMe

Is LGF the work of one person or are there a number of people who post the blog articles there?


10 posted on 07/21/2009 11:53:14 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: EveningStar
I'm an "evil evolutionist" and I find Charles' obsession with creationists to be really excessive.

Most RINOs any longer would rather the GOP be a perpetual minority party than to accept the dominance of social conservatives in the GOP. All while claiming the only way the GOP can win is to denounce social conservatism.

11 posted on 07/21/2009 11:56:18 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: a fool in paradise

Charles Johnson has really gone off the deep end in terms of his obsession with two things lately—creationism, and right-wing European anti-Islamic parties being “fascists” (which, in fairness, some are). He’s showing what he really is. He’s a social liberal and fiscal “moderate” who’s rightfully concerned about what Islam wants to do to his laid-back anything-goes lifestyle. Problem is, now he’s lumping anybody on what he considers the “fascist right” together with the Islamonazis as enemies.

He’s called out Free Republic and Jim by name several times already. He thinks Robert Spencer (from Jihad Watch) is a “fascist.” He’s in a huge feud with Pamela Geller from Atlas Shrugs and has been for years. Nowadays he saves his worst invective for Obama birth certificate questioners (”nirthers,” he calls them), Ron Paulestinians, FReepers, and Christians.

And worst of all, he’s power-tripping like mad. No dissent is allowed in the LGF lizard echo chamber. I was a lurker over there, a very occasional poster, and I got banhammered about two months back when all I did was just down-rate a couple of thread replies that I disagreed with. It turns out that the thread replies had been up-rated—not posted, just up-rated—by Charles Johnson himself (which I did not realize until AFTER I’d done it). For the unpardonable sin of counteracting CJ’s thumbs-up with my thumbs-down, I got the gate with no explanation whatsoever. The next day, I just couldn’t log in.

}:-)4


12 posted on 07/21/2009 11:58:11 AM PDT by Moose4 (I took my car in for an alignment. Now my front end is chaotic evil.)
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To: a fool in paradise

I believe that Charles is the only article poster, although most of them are news items from various sources so they aren’t fully original content.

}:-)4


13 posted on 07/21/2009 11:59:38 AM PDT by Moose4 (I took my car in for an alignment. Now my front end is chaotic evil.)
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To: a fool in paradise

I believe that God created evolution.


14 posted on 07/21/2009 12:04:15 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Moose4

I found that after a couple of very mild comments in favour of creation, I was subjected to foul-mouthed abuse.

I never logged into LGF again and feel all the better for it.

Try it, you’ll like it!

John


15 posted on 07/21/2009 12:04:38 PM PDT by rjohnb
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To: EveningStar
I've never been able to get past the point that jindal is not a natural born citizen, period. End of story, let him get back to exorcisms. And have no intention of ever voting for anyone that does not believe in science.
16 posted on 07/21/2009 12:05:02 PM PDT by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: EveningStar

LGF - is code for boogers...


17 posted on 07/21/2009 12:07:05 PM PDT by mdk1960
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To: org.whodat

As I said, I’m an evolutionist. I’d vote for a conservative or right libertarian creationist over a left wing evolutionist any day of the week.


18 posted on 07/21/2009 12:09:17 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: org.whodat
Jindal was born in the U.S. and is a natural born citizen, not a naturalized citizen. Jindal was a U.S. citizen at birth, thus a “natural born” citizen.

I am not a big fan of Jindal (Sarah Palin!), but he IS a natural born citizen according to the law.

19 posted on 07/21/2009 12:14:13 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?)
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To: Moose4; a fool in paradise
I believe that Charles is the only article poster

I believe you are correct. :)

20 posted on 07/21/2009 12:16:24 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Moose4

If he sees any equivalence between the threats of Islamic theocratic rule and propaganda he had been exposing and the “Christian right” or the watchdogs of Islamic jihad, then he truly has gone off the deep end.

And if he’s given up exposing examples of media bias and threats from muslim extremists (and he personally had received threats), then he’s given up the fight and it’d be interesting to learn why.


21 posted on 07/21/2009 12:20:13 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: allmendream
Both of his parents were here on student visa's period. Neither were American citizens. I don't believe are buy into the anchor baby BS.
22 posted on 07/21/2009 12:20:55 PM PDT by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: a fool in paradise

All the postings are by Charles. Lately, he’s been treating dissenters like the liberals treat anyone who questions them.


23 posted on 07/21/2009 12:21:19 PM PDT by NoKoolAidforMe (1-20-09--The Beginning of an Error..............1-20-13--Change we can look forward to)
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To: org.whodat
And have no intention of ever voting for anyone that does not believe in science.

That eliminates Rosie O'Donnell and Whoopi Goldberg from your consideration.

24 posted on 07/21/2009 12:21:26 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: EveningStar

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.


25 posted on 07/21/2009 12:22:01 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/jimrobfr)
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To: org.whodat

If we have to “believe in science,” then “science” is a faith, rather than simply a method of obtaining factual knowledge.


26 posted on 07/21/2009 12:28:20 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Catz bites can be nasti.)
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To: org.whodat
I don't agree with the law, but the law is the law.

Jindal was a U.S. citizen at birth, thus a “natural born citizen”.

27 posted on 07/21/2009 12:30:45 PM PDT by allmendream (Income is EARNED not distributed, so how could it be redistributed?)
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To: org.whodat; GodGunsGuts
I've never been able to get past the point that jindal is not a natural born citizen, period. End of story, let him get back to exorcisms. And have no intention of ever voting for anyone that does not believe in science.
28 posted on 07/21/2009 12:55:31 PM PDT by DallasMike
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To: EveningStar

Are there people out there that still care what Charles Johnson says?

But the way I think Carles Johnson and Allahpundit are one and the same.


29 posted on 07/21/2009 12:55:36 PM PDT by PanzerKardinal
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To: Tax-chick
If we have to “believe in science,” then “science” is a faith, rather than simply a method of obtaining factual knowledge.
Thanks, Tax-chick. I am a conservative Christian and a scientist by training and by career experience. I don't believe in science out of faith, but because it shows us facts, even though it is sometimes wrong. Similarly, the faith I have in God is not the kind of blind faith of believing in something one hopes to be true, but may not be true. It is placing my faith in something that I already know to be true.

30 posted on 07/21/2009 1:02:47 PM PDT by DallasMike
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To: EveningStar
Horrors! Another creacker creationist! This is really going to alienate all those left wing intellectual Black sanctified church members in the Mississippi Delta.

Jindal is a creationist? I thought he was Catholic.

31 posted on 07/21/2009 1:05:00 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Be`ever haYarden be'Eretz Mo'av; ho'iyl Mosheh be'er 'et-haTorah hazo't le'mor.)
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To: DallasMike
Jindal was born in Baton Rouge, Louisiana. That makes him a natural-born citizen, unless you count Loiusiana as a foreign country,

No since neither of his parents were citizens that makes him and anchor baby! And I don't recall anything about anchor babies in the constitution.

32 posted on 07/21/2009 1:05:28 PM PDT by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
Jindal is a creationist? I thought he was Catholic.

He was a Hindu until about 17 are so!!

33 posted on 07/21/2009 1:06:37 PM PDT by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: org.whodat
Jindal is a creationist? I thought he was Catholic.

He was a Hindu until about 17 are so!!

Didn't they tell him that Catholics are forbidden to believe in creationism (that's strictly for "those people")? The Catholic Church's position to creationism is just about identical to its position on a Third Jewish Temple--it's allergic to the idea!

He'd better keep quiet or he'll be excommunicated. The Catholic Church will tolerate gays, abortionists, Marxist liberation theologians, and syncretists who mix Catholicism with voodoo and totem poles, but you go to believing the stuff in the Bible actually happened and you're outta there!

34 posted on 07/21/2009 1:13:35 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Be`ever haYarden be'Eretz Mo'av; ho'iyl Mosheh be'er 'et-haTorah hazo't le'mor.)
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To: DallasMike
it shows us facts, even though it is sometimes wrong

Exactly - a process of obtaining knowledge. You don't have to "believe in" the existence of a means of learning facts: it's just there. You can "believe" that specific facts presented are correct or incorrect. Accusations of "X doesn't believe in 'science'" just mean that X believes certain facts are incorrect, or wrongly interpreted, vis-a-vis what the accuser believes.

35 posted on 07/21/2009 1:22:13 PM PDT by Tax-chick (Catz bites can be nasti.)
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To: org.whodat
No since neither of his parents were citizens that makes him and anchor baby! And I don't recall anything about anchor babies in the constitution.

That's because you're not familiar with either the Consitution or long-standing Supreme Court rulings:

If you are really a conservative, you need to become familiar with the constitution.


36 posted on 07/21/2009 1:30:08 PM PDT by DallasMike
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To: Star Traveler

Thanks for the Palin ping ST!


37 posted on 07/21/2009 1:59:27 PM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: EveningStar

Ah, Mr. Johnson. Can you direct us to any specific time during the ‘06 or ‘08 campaigns where the ID v. evolution dispute was the, or even a, major point of contention between the parties, let alone an observable factor in the GOP’s losses? Because your memory seems to diverge greatly from mine.


38 posted on 07/21/2009 2:02:55 PM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: Jo Nuvark

You’re welcome... :-)


39 posted on 07/21/2009 2:13:12 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: EveningStar

SITREP


40 posted on 07/21/2009 2:22:18 PM PDT by LiteKeeper (When do the impeachment proceedings begin?)
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To: Clemenza

Clemenza, we need a ‘war-time’ Godfather.

Not the GWOT, but the left.

Who’s our best fighter?


41 posted on 07/21/2009 3:21:58 PM PDT by WOSG (Why is Obama trying to bankrupt America with $16 trillion in spending over the next 4 years?)
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To: Zionist Conspirator

You are wrongly talking smack wrt Catholic Church.

They are the strongest mainstream church standing up for family, marriage and life including rights of unborn.


42 posted on 07/21/2009 3:24:32 PM PDT by WOSG (Why is Obama trying to bankrupt America with $16 trillion in spending over the next 4 years?)
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To: DallasMike
Thanks, Tax-chick. I am a conservative Christian and a scientist by training and by career experience. I don't believe in science out of faith, but because it shows us facts, even though it is sometimes wrong. Similarly, the faith I have in God is not the kind of blind faith of believing in something one hopes to be true, but may not be true. It is placing my faith in something that I already know to be true.

Awesome quote. Worth repeating. Another God-fearing science-loving anti-idiotarian right-wing conservative. Good on ya!

43 posted on 07/21/2009 3:26:41 PM PDT by WOSG (Why is Obama trying to bankrupt America with $16 trillion in spending over the next 4 years?)
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To: EveningStar

I agree. I think he just set everything up and let it run.


44 posted on 07/21/2009 4:11:11 PM PDT by Drill Thrawl (Another day, another injury, another step closer...)
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To: DallasMike
That would apply to you. The 14th amendment was written about the salves, does not apply after that. Second, the other supreme court ruling was that the coolies working on the railroads were sent home with their children and the court said the fourteenth did not apply. You should really know the Constitution before you post something wrong.
45 posted on 07/21/2009 4:16:08 PM PDT by org.whodat (Vote: Chuck De Vore in 2012.)
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To: WOSG
You are wrongly talking smack wrt Catholic Church.

They are the strongest mainstream church standing up for family, marriage and life including rights of unborn.

They're also the number one promoters of "theistic evolution" and Biblical "higher criticism" in the religious world. This is why they are in such a mess at the present time and why they will eventually cave on the other issues as well.

What good is being "moral" while ripping the Word of G-d into tatters? Secular humanists do as much.

46 posted on 07/21/2009 4:49:43 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Be`ever haYarden be'Eretz Mo'av; ho'iyl Mosheh be'er 'et-haTorah hazo't le'mor.)
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To: WOSG

Palin has spunk, but that doesn’t necessarily make her a fighter. We have a big deficiency in that department. Hillary has more balls than any of the leading Republicans. :(


47 posted on 07/21/2009 7:12:23 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Star Traveler

Thanks thanks.


48 posted on 07/21/2009 7:24:00 PM PDT by Quix (POL Ldrs quotes fm1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: EveningStar; Impy; MplsSteve; fieldmarshaldj; Norman Bates

I could live with Pawlenty as the nominee, even if he’s nothing spectacular. He’s certainly an improvement over the current occupant. But even Romney is better than what we have now.

Mitch Daniels earns points for ability, but he remains pretty aloof from party-building. Bobby Jindal has potential, but he needs a speech coach.


49 posted on 07/21/2009 7:49:19 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Liberal sacred cows make great hamburger)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
The Catholic Church's position to creationism is just about identical to its position on a Third Jewish Temple--it's allergic to the idea!

LOL. Nice satire.

50 posted on 07/21/2009 7:53:24 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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