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Heat wave to test Southern California power grid
reuters ^ | Tue Jul 21, 2009 1:44pm EDT

Posted on 07/21/2009 11:56:29 AM PDT by BenLurkin

The largest utility in southern California urged consumers on Monday to conserve power to help keep air conditioners running without interruption as hot weather sends demand soaring over the next few days.

Temperatures in Los Angeles will reach the low 90s Fahrenheit (low 30s Celsius) Monday and Tuesday with the humidity making it feel more like the low 100s F (high 30s C), according to AccuWeather.com.

Edison International's Southern California Edison utility said its transmission system was performing well but the continuing multi-day heat wave and lighting caused some isolated equipment failures and scattered outages.

As the heat continues, the utility warned it was possible other equipment might fail because of the high ongoing usage.

The California Independent System Operator, which operates much of the state's power grid, forecast demand this week, would not top the all-time usage record of more than 50,000 megawatts. The ISO forecast demand would reach about 44,400 MW on Monday and 45,200 MW on Tuesday.

While saying it expects to have sufficient resources to meet demand this week and throughout the summer, Southern California Edison noted conservation could provide an added reserve should an unexpected power emergency occur.

Unexpected emergencies could include mechanical problems affecting a major power plant or wildfires shutting down a major transmission system.

Southern California should see some relief Wednesday when high temperatures fall to the low 80s...

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: US: California
KEYWORDS: energy; losangeles; socal; summer

1 posted on 07/21/2009 11:56:29 AM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: BenLurkin

Like a third world country. Instead of an energy policy that provides for cheap plentiful energy, we go in the opposite direction


2 posted on 07/21/2009 11:58:32 AM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: BenLurkin

it’s freezin’ in NYC today.


3 posted on 07/21/2009 11:58:52 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (WWFUAMLD?)
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To: BenLurkin
Only 87 where I am in So. Cal at straight up noon, with a nice 10mph pacific breeze with little or no humidity.

Everything considered, so far this summer has been pretty mild.

4 posted on 07/21/2009 12:00:55 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: BenLurkin

"Yeah, but it's dry heat"
5 posted on 07/21/2009 12:05:22 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: BenLurkin

LOW 90’s? In So. Cal in the summer? I remember 120 degree days for a week. This is an attempt to bolster crap & tax. Don’t fall for it (although the electric utility may be hurting, but if it is, it is because of regulations from Sacropsycho).


6 posted on 07/21/2009 12:05:34 PM PDT by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: paul51
Like a third world country. Instead of an energy policy that provides for cheap plentiful energy, we go in the opposite direction

Actually, much more like 'all systems are nominal' written up to make it into a panic situation. The power 'crunch' that California experienced a few years ago was very much caused by outside traders capitalizing on the market and manipulating it to keep the prices ultra-high. Amazingly, as soon as the outside traders dropped out of the system, gosh, prices returned to normal (or slightly below normal).

Alas, us rate payers are still getting the unlubed stick in our posterior as cities pile on the taxes, fees for government programs, and usage 'norms' that don't take into account anything beyond basic lighting and maybe some cooking - you'll almost always go over your baseline allowance if you dare use an air conditioner or even a dish washer.

7 posted on 07/21/2009 12:06:01 PM PDT by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: lafroste

Perhaps that should be Psychomento. You decide. Either one fits.


8 posted on 07/21/2009 12:07:08 PM PDT by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: BenLurkin

I am not impressed as daily it has been over or close to 100 for about three weeks. Do you think CA will want to but power from Texas like they did a few years ago? Will they bitch about the price again? Maybe we should tell them to buy it from Obama’s nukes, not ours ... oh wait ... I think the price just went up again!


9 posted on 07/21/2009 12:07:10 PM PDT by ByteMercenary (Healthcare Insurance is *NOT* a Constitutional right.)
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To: dragnet2
87 deg is “pretty mild” ?

‘But it's a dry heat’...Yea, right, so is a freaking pizza oven!

10 posted on 07/21/2009 12:07:54 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: ByteMercenary
http://www.caiso.com/outlook/SystemStatus.html has the up to the minute demand and system capacity, as well as any transmission warnings.

California's never been short of generation capacity - the energy market manipulation early on in open trading hurt a lot, and of course, always of concern is the maze of environmental regulation and NIMBY mentality that goes on in the state. Our single biggest issue is the lack of redundancy in north-south transmission corridors.

Doesn't mean that Reuters won't write a paranoia article every couple weeks each summer. As for the state's utilities, to get to the rolling blackouts we had in the state a few years ago, it'd require a massive fire under the major north-south interchange, three or more downed large power plants while at the same time ten or more smaller plants are in required shutdown mode due to emissions limits, the failure of the emergency energy management plan to properly trip (in exchange for reduced electrical rates, homeowners and businesses can opt to put a shut off device on their air conditioner that SCE can trip to reduce load.. These devices have not been extensively tested in real world situations.)

I personally doubt we'll see any rolling blackouts in California again until Obama’s cap and trade legislation fully impacts the state's generators and forces them to shut down when emissions limits are reached.

11 posted on 07/21/2009 12:15:26 PM PDT by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: BenLurkin

Getting cooler today...


12 posted on 07/21/2009 12:17:15 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: Beagle8U

LA Power wants to shut off the coal fired plants and in San Diego they are fighting a new power line feeding a city which is abolutely maxed out during hot weather.
So..use as much electricity as you can. Charge your electric car if you go it. The best thing that could happen is a black out to wake up those idiot voters.
You can bet that Boxer, Feinstein and Waxman all have the AC’s going full blast at their mansions.
Our electricy bill runs $50 per month, because we have no a/c and a 1600 sqft house. They have mansions and want to tell me how much electricity I can use and where it should come from. Screw them. (that is to terrible to imagine).


13 posted on 07/21/2009 12:17:21 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: BenLurkin

I thought that this Smart Grid technology allowed Democrats to individually shut off air conditioners based on racial criteria and party of voter registration....


14 posted on 07/21/2009 12:18:02 PM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: BenLurkin

Quick, we need more wind power!


15 posted on 07/21/2009 12:18:42 PM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 (Forget going Galt. Its time to go Braveheart.)
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To: Beagle8U
Yea, right, so is a freaking pizza oven!

lol....87 is no biggy...It is summer...You must live in a cold northern state.

Ya wanna see real heat? Dial up the temps in Phoenix, (supposed to get 108 today)... or some southern state where the heat + humidity resembles the surface of Venus, where even the mosquitoes are pissed off.

16 posted on 07/21/2009 12:21:52 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

dragnet2,
87 with a nice Pacific breeze to you or I may be awesome. For a lot of ill or elderly that may be a killer.

Never forget going to class at Canoga Park Elementary in say October when the Santa Anta winds blew off the desert and it got over a hundred. No air conditioning.
Today they’d call it child abuse.
Where about in South California you at?


17 posted on 07/21/2009 12:23:16 PM PDT by Joe Boucher (Patrick)
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To: BenLurkin

Now is the time to pull the plug on all electricity sold to California that is produced in coal fired power plants!


18 posted on 07/21/2009 12:24:29 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (La commedia e' finita!. Now it's serious!)
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To: Joe Boucher
I'm not any of the the inland Valleys, where temps are always higher.

Lake Havasu City, AZ is supposed to get up to about 112 today. The more inland ya go, the warmer it gets...Same every summer.

19 posted on 07/21/2009 12:30:27 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: BenLurkin; All
Okay, here's a thought. Having a Power Black Out or Brown Out in SOCAL would be a good thing. I'd like to see how people would cope with several days without electricity. Let's see how they would handle it when the world comes crashing down upon them. Why they couldn't even watch American Idol or Doprah. Boy would they be mad.

It would actually be great! Then maybe these idiot Californians (and I'm one of them but not an idiot) will see the light and start proposing some nuclear power plants. Build 2 more units at Diablo Canyon. Put 2 more units at San Onofre and 2 more units at the site where Rancho Seco was to have been built. This would go a long way to solving the problem and just might create some jobs in an area that desperately needs them. So I'm hoping that the Blackouts happen. It's the ONLY thing that will wake up the knuckle draggers.
20 posted on 07/21/2009 12:31:00 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough!)
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To: BenLurkin

Gee let’s hope those windmills are turning and the wind is blowing exactly right during peak demand times. It would be ironic if all those California tree hugger environmentalists couldn’t get their Blackberries and I-pods charged because the wind wasn’t blowing.


21 posted on 07/21/2009 12:32:39 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: truthguy
Then maybe these idiot Californians (and I'm one of them but not an idiot

lol...me neither.

Nuke power makes too much sense, and the utilities would have to reduce their rates if we put more nukes on line. As it is now, they'll tell you to conserve, then increase your rates, use too much, rates increase. Talk about building nukes, rates go up.

22 posted on 07/21/2009 12:38:58 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

112,
Can you imagine what life would be like in 112 and the lectricity croaks?

When I go to Vegas I always drive to Death Valley Junction.
I can grill a steak on a rock as long as I have a cooler of ice and beer and a car with a great air conditioner.


23 posted on 07/21/2009 12:55:25 PM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: Joe Boucher
Can you imagine what life would be like in 112 and the lectricity croaks?

Yes.

24 posted on 07/21/2009 1:04:56 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (The University of Notre Dame's motto: "Kill our unborn children? YES WE CAN!")
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To: Joe Boucher

Can’t imagine.

I could never understand the draw to places like Phoenix...It’s great in the winter, but 6 months out of the year, those people live like lizards, hiding under rocks and staying indoors. We have friends there, and they keep their AC on 24/7 months at a time.


25 posted on 07/21/2009 1:09:19 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: BenLurkin

I live in the Sierra, and it’s been over 100 for the last week and a half. I don’t have air conditioning, and I’m about OVER IT!!!


26 posted on 07/21/2009 1:11:05 PM PDT by sissyjane
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To: paul51
Too bad they didn't pull their thumbs out of their collective asses years ago and build a few nuclear plants. Oh well, stupidity is its own reward.
27 posted on 07/21/2009 1:12:54 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: dragnet2

I’m here in the central san joaquin valley between Bakersfield and Fresno and it’s HOT HOT HOT!!! It was 108 in Fresno yesterday and 111 in Bakersfield. The humidity is quite low, but still.... Forcast is for these types of temps for the next ten days or so. So whatever the electric bill runs, I’ll pay. I have misters running in the kennel for my dogs and one running out under a tree for my mules. It’s always a bear this time of year. Around here we get cabin fever in the summer not the winter.


28 posted on 07/21/2009 1:20:21 PM PDT by bored of education
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To: Jeff Chandler

Our air conditioner broke down on the July 4th weekend. It was 109. At least we has several fans going, but it was a looong weekend.


29 posted on 07/21/2009 1:20:25 PM PDT by bored of education
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To: bored of education

The big valley is always hot in the summer, all the way up to Redding. I guess that’s why crops do so well there. Keep those dogs and mules cool!

I always wanted a mule!


30 posted on 07/21/2009 1:24:50 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: bored of education

We have two “wings” to our house, each with its own central AC.

As long as we have electricity, we can stay cool.


31 posted on 07/21/2009 1:41:53 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (The University of Notre Dame's motto: "Kill our unborn children? YES WE CAN!")
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To: BenLurkin

It seems to me that they have had so many foreclosures in California, it really ought to make a dent in power consumption this summer....


32 posted on 07/21/2009 2:26:45 PM PDT by Bean Counter ( Shovel ready...)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Come on Jeff, Unless you live in Flagstaff, of course you know 112 and plus living in the furnace that is Arizona.


33 posted on 07/21/2009 3:50:04 PM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: dragnet2

I’m with you, NEVER liked Phoenix.
Never liked having to sleep during the day and driving at night cause it was lava hot during the day.
Then again the brew pub in Flagstaff across from the train station is one fine place in this world.


34 posted on 07/21/2009 3:54:55 PM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: kingu
California's never been short of generation capacity -

Nonsense. If Cali didn't suck up megawatts from it's neighbors it would go dark in any given summer day.
35 posted on 07/21/2009 4:00:25 PM PDT by Kozak (USA 7/4/1776 to 1/20/2009 Reqiescat in Pace)
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