Posted on 07/21/2009 9:18:43 PM PDT by Nachum
President Obama's dream of dramatically remaking the nation's health-care system is still a long way from reality. But if lawmakers can reach an accord, one thing is virtually certain: For the first time ever, every American would be required to carry health insurance.
The requirement, known as an individual mandate, is among the most far-reaching changes envisioned this year by those pushing for health-care reform. And it is one of the few common threads running through all three bills being considered in Congress, greatly increasing the likelihood it will survive the legislative process. Obama continued Tuesday to push lawmakers struggling with the large costs and scope of health legislation to move forward, pronouncing reform to be "closer than ever."
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This is what a revolution looks like.
Cuz, if not, that will be another hidden added expense lumped onto the new socialist citizenry. That is, on top of all of the new wonderful taxes heaped upon us to pay for all of this stuff that we must joyously pay..
“individual mandate” — Wrap up this pile of sh** in pretty language and a bow, why don’t cha’?
If they allowed insurance companies to cover whatever they want, and allowed citizens to buy whatever they wanted....everyone COULD have health insurance....but, government doesn’t. It’s a scam! The gov’t wants its piece of the “action.” Chicago thuggery at its best.
The big difference is that gov’t doesn’t provide auto insurance for those who can’t afford it........ yet.
And,BTW, how can a "right" ever be "mandated" by the federal government? The Constitution says all rights are granted by our Creator, and the Bill of Rights is a list of limitations on government interference with those rights.
BTTT!!
T.H. White
By which of the powers enumerated in the Constitution would Congress “mandate” that everyone purchase health insurance? None, they will have gone too far.
Thank you, Romney, for leading the way for this, too.
Well, I guess this will clean out the emergency rooms full of Mexicans. NOT! John McCain will probably help write the bill.
I had an argument with my mom a while back on the same issue. I won (IMO) by pointing out that all of the rights the Constitution protects are granted by God and cost absolutely nothing to any man, they are simply principals of respect that each and every one of us is entitled to upon conception.
Her argument that health care, housing, etc. were rights that a US citizen should be entitled was easily defeated by pointing out that they cannot ever be a "right" simply because they all cost another man something (time or profession) . Your right to speak freely, to defend yourself, to be secure in your person, etc. are all cost free and granted by your creator an therefor pure.
Just my thoughts and all.....
Driving a car is a privelege, and not everyone gets a license.
Healthcare should be optional....like drivers licenses.
Nationalized Healthcare should be aborted.
I’ve got an idea for a fine. If you get sick and don’t have insurance, then you pay your own medical bill.
That’s a really good approach, and you won, IMHO, too.
God love my poor mom's liberal heart, forgive her, she means well for all of us I swear.
Just tell her to vote on Wednesday!
Like Car Insurance, Health Coverage May Be MandatedCar insurance is to protect the other guy you empty headed, cross dressing nitwits.
Yo, Ceci Connolly, where and how do you get ‘MAY’ out of MANDATED?
A great quote from Animal House: Geeze you’re dumb.
***For the vast majority of Americans who have health insurance, the change would mean little more than submitting a form with their tax returns proving that the plan they carry meets certain minimum standards.***
The Government is telling people what insurance they must have.
The legal resoning behind madatory car insurance is that driving on public roads is a privilege granted by the state through license and certification of minimum driving skills; anyone who owns a vehicle used off highway only is not covered by such laws.
Mandatory health insurance however would logically imply that breathing is a privilege granted by the state in the absence of any license or certification of living skills and therefore would amount to surrender of every basic right that follows life.
No wonder GB has become the out of control nation we now see when we look at a fast-crumbling social order.
Bring on the clowns.
My comment: “the rights the Constitution protects are granted by God and cost absolutely nothing to any man”
I stand by that statement 100%! The discussion we were having at the time was pertaining to the Bill of Rights not the various B.S. court decisions that have granted perceived rights thereafter (i.e. "the right to an abortion").
If one takes the time to review the actual Bill of Rights I can't see how you could make the argument that any of these rights cost another person in any way. I suppose that if you went into detail, one could stretch Amendments 5-8 out to argue that time required to serve on a jury is in fact costly to a peer, but that is another argument that I'm not that concerned about right now.
You: "I think forcing everyone to get insurance is a good idea because you aren’t able to forfeit your right to medical attention in an emergency. Because we live in a civilized society........"
I completely agree with you that everyone in need will get the medical attention required to stabilize their condition wherever the live in the US. This is already happening and nobody is willing allowed to "die in the street" due to a lack of health care.
You go on to say that people should be forced to "pay up" in advance to cover their health care in order to "stop messing with your premiums".
That is a completely valid argument but there will always be "deadbeats" in society and there will never be a perfect way to deal with them (while respecting their right to live).
Long argument short, I understand what you are saying but I am damn sure that turning everything over to the government will never be the solution to anything.
I will make the medical decisions for me and mine. If the argument is to turn over my life/death and well being over to 0bozo and his minions in order to save a buck... I say suck it!
I will continue to do this rather than turn the trust of my family's lives over to any government, regardless of which party is in charge.
I hope for the sake of you and your loved ones, you agree with me.
new tag...
Thanks for the welcome! I was just poking around google for discussion on the topic, and stumbled into this one. Haven’t hung out at the NR before.
I have to say I just don’t see how Constitutional rights are free. Even just freedom of speech: without a costly legal system and police structure enforcing such a freedom, freedom of speech disappears rather quickly. You can see this in many places around the world.
Of course a costly legal system and police structure can also be used to squash freedom of speech, but that just depends on the mandate. They are just tools, and can be used for good or ill. In the US the mandate is good, and the results are that we have these freedoms. But looking around the world it certainly appears to cost money to keep thugs from destroying society.
And while I 100% support the right to bear arms, that alone does not keep a citizenry safe from each other or from the government. Just look at all the places in the world where guns are plentiful, and yet bandits or freedom fighters clash with the government for decades while the whole population suffers immensely.
Really — freedom is not free. I can’t see anyplace that it is.
I feel very fortunate to have been born in the US in the 21st century, that’s for sure.
Cheers
ahh yes free insurance that can be repaid through gov’t access to your mandatory account........hmm started with the banks and now the fingers of gov’t just keep expanding.
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