“Birther” articles are everywhere.
What was once a murmur is now a roar.
Posted on 07/22/2009 10:41:27 AM PDT by pissant
Alex Koppelman is a must-read on the subject of Lou Dobbs, and his decision to trust the incredibly strange, discredited conspiracy theories of people like Orly Taitz over the word of the government of Hawaii.
When he brought Keyes and Taitz on his show, he mentioned that he’d asked Taitz, off-air, whether the release of a long form birth certificate would satisfy her. “She said no,” Dobbs told his audience, and then directed the question to her again. “Both parents have to be citizens in order to satisfy the requirements of natural-born citizen,” Taitz responded. In other words, for the de facto leader of the movement, her questions can never go away, because Obama’s father was a British citizen at the time of his son’s birth.
Dobbs, who won a Peabody Award in 1987, is effectively destroying his career with this stuff.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonindependent.com ...
I have to agree with you there. They will attack ANYONE who questions their OholyO.
Are you keeping a tally on the volume of the “Birther” articles today?
I remember Glenn Beck talked about how awkward it was working over there. I can only imagine what it's like for Dobbs.
I’ve posted about a dozen so far today. LOL
Dobbs has already left (or been run off) CNN once before. I don’t recall the issue but he’s prety resilient. FOX would probably pick him up if CNN desides to cut him off.
The point of all these articles is that this is a non-issue being ramped-up by kooks. But if the enemy is no threat, then why mount such a well coordinated counter attack?
You said — Are you keeping a tally on the volume of the “Birther” articles today?
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This is interesting, because I’m detecting that the leftists are shifting to using the birther issue and playing around with it now... I think we’re going to see more of this, because the leftists have found the birther issue to be a “tool” for them now...
Here’s what I was saying about it before, on another thread...
Well, here’s how it would work..., if you’re a conservative and you have ever said anything about the birth certificate issue, those leftists are going to know about it. And then, let’s say you’re giving some reasoned points on some legislation being pushed by Obama...
If it starts sounding too good or they can’t counter it — then it’s time to shift over to the “Obama birth certificate issue” — and the leftists will be the ones who raise it.
Then they try to paint that person *as* one of those who believes that Obama is not qualified to be President, because he has not shown a proper birth certificate.
At that point, they’ve just gotten you off your points in regards to Obama’s legislation that you’re trying to get out to the public and over into whether you think that Obama is qualified to be President or not.
The public sees and hears this, they forget all about the points you were making on the legislation that Obama is pushing and now the public thinks the whole issue was about whether Obama is qualified to be President or not.
The leftists love to get the conservatives over into that topic, because it means that this particular conservative can’t talk about the legislation that he originally wanted to talk about.
That’s how it works...
And that’s why the leftists are loving the Obama Birth Certificate Issue as a good issue for them to beat on and divert any conversation away from something else.
It remains to be seen if they can capitalize on the birther issue like I think they are trying to do right now. We’ll see...
You said — The point of all these articles is that this is a non-issue being ramped-up by kooks. But if the enemy is no threat, then why mount such a well coordinated counter attack?
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It’s a political strategy that they are developing right now, in order to sidetrack the general public from taking some conservatives seriously when they talk about Obama’s policies. They simply shift the topic over to the birther issue and kill any consideration of Obama’s policies (in terms of the conservative they may be talking to at the time, or writing about in an article).
See post #8
Lou Dobbs Audio.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo-hucUVGmU&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eY8CW9744o&NR=1
~~The Soros network, pounding away .......... PING!
That's a good point. Remains to be seen if it will work.
This is for all readers on the birth certificate issue....
If you want to go to a legitimate news source that has been on the Obama birth certificate issue for a long time now and does so *consistently* — go to WorldNetDaily...
WorldNetDaily
http://www.wnd.com/
They even pay to have billboards put up around the United States asking “Where is the Birth Certificate?”... I don’t know of any other news source anywhere that has paid to put up these kinds of billboards all over the country.
If you’re interested in the Obama Birth Certificate issue, you’ll find a lot of older articles from them on it, and they always have new articles coming up all the time. They are always hammering away at this issue and it’s a new source that is well worth supporting by going and clicking on their links.
Keep up on the birth certificate issue on WorldNetDaily...
The MSM, Supreme Court, Congress, DOD all know Obama is illegitmate.
Like maybe FOX is saving a spot for him by running SHep twice......One just happens to be in Dodd’s time slot.
“Birther” articles are everywhere.
What was once a murmur is now a roar.
The leftists love it, since they’re the ones who are trumpeting it now... :-)
See post #8...
That plan will only work if most people remain in the dark.
Granted, many will.
But the more they bring it up, regardless of how they try to paint the issue, the greater the number of people who will actually hear the facts about said issue.
And the facts are NOT in the media’s favor.
I wonder if Obama is already being blackmailed by his enemies - and by that I mean the Clintons - into pushing a far left agenda. The urgency over the health care issue is crazy.
If The Kenyan fails, Hitlery is well placed to run against him in 2012.
What are your sources for all these people ‘knowing” - yet not supporting Obama?
Well, here’s the problem with that. It’s that the birth certificate is not legally required in order to run as a candidate. Only the specified things in the Constitution are *required* to be met — and all the other candidates in the past met those requirements by swearing and affirming that they did. And Obama did that too.
So, when this issue is brought up, and this fact of this very same thing being done in the past, that Obama followed with his campaign — it sidelines everyone into a rabbit hole of endless conversation until the public just gets tired of hearing it all the time.
And that’s the strategy for the leftists, to sideline, to “label” as a birther, so that a conservative’s arguments on other issues are not heard any longer, and to get the public tired of the issue to the point where the first time someone mentions the “Obama birth certificate” the public will tune them out...
That’s the strategy here... and the cause of the *problem* is that there is no legal requirement to show a birth certificate..., what I call the big loophole...
Raise your hand if you’re a crazy ass birther!
I agree, there is no legal requirement to show a birth certificate.
So all he needs to do is find some other way to show that he DOES meet this requirement:
Article II, Section 1
“No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President...”
Yes, I agree with the qualifications, and the problem is (and it’s the “loophole” that I’m talking about) that all candidates have to do is certify that, swear and sign a statement to that effect. At that point, it’s considered done...
That’s the way it has worked, historically, with all the candidates...
If you want something different to happen, you’re gonna have to have a specific law to that effect, and that’s what I’ve worked on (here in Oklahoma...).
There was a thread on FR from the Canadian Free Press. Can’t remember exactly which one; but you can probably do a search.
Could be. I would never put anything past Hillary and Bill Clinton. They are just as trashy as Obama and his wife. Control, money and power are the only things besides, of course, the cause is what drives these traitors.
I think Hilliary and 0bama have each other checkmated. Remember, Hilliary's got a few murders to keep hidden, and I'm sure 0bama’s Chicago thugs have the goods on her. Why else do you think she didn't expose him during the campaign??
As far as pushing a far left agenda, 0bama makes the Clintons look right of center!
Law of nations.
DeMint and Palin would make a very strong team in 2012. I know; the lefties are gunning for them; but they both seem to love America and the people.
Also, I don’t know about you; but I will never forget or forgive Hillary her traitor of America and Bill for raping that woman.
There is no legal requirement to submit your tax receipts with your signed return. However, the IRS can force you to produce them in a court of law if evidence suggests you’re lying.
There is no legal requirement turn over your college transcripts to a prospective employer after filling out and signing the job application. Unless, of course you are being sued by your employer for evidence of false representation.
There is no legal requirement to produce your birth certificate after signing an affidavit of eligibility when running for POTUS, unless of course a State and/or Federal court determines based on circumstantial evidence that said candidate is lying.
Shall I continue......
Care to elaborate?
Very simply and in terms that all can understand — if there is a legal requirement, all you have to do is cite the legal requirement and get a court order to view it... (i.e., the birth certificate).
The reason why no one has been able to do that, is no one can cite a law saying that a birth certificate is required to be shown in this regard.
And that’s why I’ve said that the states need to pass legislation making it a legal requirement...
My opinion of Dobbs is that he’s finally fed up with the whole RAT sham and has decided to just tell the whole story and let the chips fall where they may. He has the only watchable show on CNN. He may be “destroying his career”, but only by telling the truth and pissing off the RATS.
If this is true, then why all the trouble trying to prove where he was born. He and all his supporters agree his father was not a citizen and if that is disqualifying, place of birth would seem to be a moot point. Refusal to release the birth certificate would be a good ploy to keep his opponents running down blind alleys.
Taitz often says dumb things.
Book one chapter 19. Law of nations
The nation of the father is therefore the nation of his children.
His daddy was kenyan so is he!
Ahhh! Thank you.
Because most people think that to be a "natural born citizen" means just being born on the countries territory, and don't realize that it also means *both* parents are also citizens of said country.
At least according to the "law of nations" and as it was understood when the U.S. Constitution was originally written.
States have not been required to pass specific laws to require the forfeit of the documents which I used in my examples. Birth Certificates are no different.
No, I don’t think so... I believe that there are laws on the books that say one has to produce a driver’s license if one is asked by an officer, when driving. And I also believe that there are laws in states where insurance proof is required, that one must have that proof available to show in certain conditions (like at a traffic stop, or renewing tags or some other administrative tasks and duties).
If you don’t do what the law requires, then you’ll have to appear before a judge...
The key is that it is written down that you have to do that, and if you don’t, then you are in violation and you’ll end up before a judge defending yourself.
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