Posted on 07/23/2009 4:59:38 PM PDT by Flavius
A California nightclub bouncer who fired a gun into the air to break up a fight faces felony charges after the bullet hit a woman a mile away, police say.
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Bad luck.
bad judgement.
I call BS.
Bad thinking!
When you pull the trigger, you had better have figured out the consequences of taking that shot. Every gun on the market can shoot at least a mile.
After circling the globe.
It’s gotta come down somewhere.
Gun safety class age 13 - “even a 22 cal. bullet will travel one mile”. Wise up.
idiot
Must have been an 88 Magnum after it shot through the schools.
;>)
sombody watches way too many movies
Call the chickens and hogs while you’re at it.
bullllll.....crappppppppppppp
I agree...It would take a very high powered rifle. Shot the gun in the air??? Implies almost straight up...A tornado must have grabbed the bullet.
As a gun enthusiast myself, I have to cal BS on that on. There are plenty of "guns on the market" that won't fire a mile. I'm not even sure if a 185-grain .45 will travel a half a mile.
It might have been better to claim, "there are many guns on the market that can shoot at least a mile".
My target loads for .38 special won’t go more than 230 yards. It must have been some sort of magnum load and a pistol with a long barrel. It would take some serious muzzle velocity to make a handgun round go a mile.
You notice that there’s no mention of her being wounded. The guy did take an awful risk, though.
And I have to call bs on someone like you having a gun at all if you can’t understand how little energy it takes to lob a bullet a mile. Shooting into the air, you can often lob it three or four miles, depending on the trajectory. All you need to calculate it is the muzzle velocity and the trajectory. A 37 degree elevation will produce the maximum.
NRA Firearms Fact Book. Yew York. Second Edition. 1983. “… a 9 mm 120 grain bullet fired out of an average sized handgun at 45 degrees elevation will travel about 2300 meters before falling.” 2300 m
what a jerk
bullshit
I’ll plead “girl” in this case!! ..... So, Were the men foolin’ with me...like the left handed monkey wrench thing....
I call BS. Specially if the bouncer fired a pistol.
Do you think the bullet just evaporates? Consider it a very small mortar. Same physics apply.
And, if the wind was just right, I bet you could shoot the fly off a asses back at three miles. I'm sure you've done it yourself.
Try reading some NRA firearm safety manuals wise ass.
“Every gun on the market can shoot at least a mile.”
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I call BS on that.
No, no. I get it. I guess your this century's version of Annie Oakley. I give up, Annie. You're too much for me.
Are they not teaching gravity anymore?
“I’ll plead “girl” in this case!! ..... So, Were the men foolin’ with me...like the left handed monkey wrench thing....”
Well now Ma’am, I really don’t want to insult anyone but them there bullet things will fly a lot further than most folks think.
I'm clearly not a ballistics expert, I recall firing an M60 in the Army, 7.62 mm (0.30 Cal) with tracers on a tripod at a marked firing range, with a slight downhill in the down range direction. Since I was firing tracers, I could adjust range by changing the elevation of the barrel, like playing a garden hose across the yard. As I recall even with a slight downhill I couldn't get the stream to go much further than the 1100 meter mark, which is slightly more than 2/3 of a mile. So I'd have to support your claim.
Now memory may have be playing tricks on me, but I'd put the maximum range of an M60 on level terrain at about 2/3 mile and then only in garden hose mode, with the barrel up in the air.
And you flunked physics!
It appears that it’s all too much for you.
Firearms
Distances Bullets Travel
How Far Can A Bullet Travel?
Type 0 1 mile 2 miles 3 mile 4 miles 5 miles
.22 Short ········ (.5 to 1 mile)
.22 LRHV ············ (1-1.5 miles)
.22 Mag ················ (1.5-2.5 miles)
.222 ························· (2-3 miles)
.243 ······························ (2.5-3.5 miles)
.257 ······························ (2.5-3.5 miles)
.270 ······························ (2.5-3.5 miles)
7MM ········································ (up to 5 miles)
Type 0 1 mile 2 miles 3 miles 4 miles 5 miles
.30-30 ····················· (2-2.5 miles)
.30-06 ······································· (3.5-4.5 miles)
.300 Sav ······························ (2.5-3.5 miles)
.300 Win Mag ········································ (up to 5 miles)
.303 ····················· (2-2.5 miles)
.308 ······························ (2.5-3.5 miles)
.338 ········································ (up to 5 miles)
.35 Rem ····················· (2-2.5 miles)
.45-70 ················ (1.5-2.5 miles)
0 1 mile 2 miles 3 miles 4 miles 5 miles
Source: NSSF / SAAMI
Good call. I still don’t see why a bouncer would fire a gun for any reason short of defending his life or the life of another. Then the gun would be fired at a specific person causing the danger.
Shooting guns in the air, was that an ethnic thing?
Episode 50: Bullets Fired Up, Vodka Myths III
•Bullets fired up into the air can be lethal: busted, plausible, and confirmed.
•Vodka as a poison oak oil remover: busted
•Vodka as a bandage remover: plausible
•Filtering vodka through a Brita filter will turn it into a high-end vodka: busted
The “all of the above” ruling on the bullets fired into the air myth was a new one for MythBusters. All of their tests showed that if you fire a bullet perfectly straight up into the air, it will not kill you as it will fall down on its side and have too low of a terminal velocity to kill, much like the Penny Drop myth. However, it is very difficult to fire perfectly straight into the air and they even found an international expert in falling bullets who was able to confirm for them that people have died from bullets fired up into the air.
Bullets Fired Up
Myth: A bullet fired up can come down and kill you
How high would a bullet fly up?
Adam’s idea was to correlate the density of ballistics gel with the density of air (Jamie: “Huh.”). Adam figured that if they could see how far a bullet traveled in ballistics gel, they could use the difference in density to calculate the distance it would travel through air. Adam calculated that the ballistics gel is 650x more dense than air, so, according to his theory, if a bullet fired into ballistics gel goes 1ft, it would go 650 ft through air. At least that was the theory: they would have to go to the firing range with some blocks of ballistics gel to see if it would work.
They lined up several blocks of ballistics gel end-on-end at the South San Francisco Police Department firing range (last seen in the Catching a Bullet with Your Teeth myth). They quickly ran into a problem. The 9mm round went through three blocks of ballistics gel for a total distance of about 5ft. The much more powerful .03-06 only went one block in. This wasn’t so surprising given the results of the Bulletproof Water myth, though they didn’t seem to anticipate the same happening with ballistics gel. The .30-06 rounds travel much faster, so they a greater tendency to break up on impact. Jamie managed to flip a block of ballistics gel with a final shot, finally putting an end to this particular avenue of testing: the ballistics gel was not going to help them figure out how far a bullet would fly up.
Based on the failure of the ballistics gel experiment, they used a computer simulation program to calculate how high the bullets would travel up into the air. The calculations: *.03-6 10,000 ft 58 seconds
•9mm 4,000 ft, 37 seconds
Terminal velocity of a falling bullet
Adam built an acrylic wind tunnel (much like the one in the Penny Drop myth). Air was shot up through the bottom and a bullet was dropped into the chamber. The terminal velocity was calculated based on the speed of the air needed to make the bullet stop falling. They figured that the terminal velocity was 100mph (150 ft/s). The wind tunnel also showed that the most stable falling position for the bullets was on their side.
Firing bullets at terminal velocity
The rigged up an air hose to an aluminum pipe to launch the bullets at terminal velocity (150 ft/s). Their first shot put a good dent in the metal door. Their next target would be a pig’s head, just as soon as they got the amount of air pressure tuned correctly. A chronograph was used to measure the speed of the bullet and a solenoid valve was attached to the tube to control the air flow.
They fired bullets from the pipe into the pig’s head and recorded it all on the high-speed camera. At 166 ft/s, the 9mm bullet bounced right off of the pig’s head. The .30-06 bullet did only slightly better, piercing the skin and then bouncing off.
It was looking like this was going to be busted, but, as it turns out, there is an international expert on falling bullets working in nearby Stanford. The expert, Dr. David G Mohler, told them about a case in Menlo Park where a woman sitting in a lawn chair was struck in the leg by a bullet that was fired into the air 1 1/2 miles away during a 4th of July celebration. Mohler recovered the bullet from her leg and the police were able to match the ballistics to a shooter.
Mohler also told them about a case of an elderly man in Alameda who was talking to his wife underneath a plastic corrugated roof in his carport. His eyes rolled up and his wife thought he was having a stroke. When they got to the hospital they found out there was a bullet in his brain and, unfortunately, he died.
“I know for a fact that bullets fired at a distance, returning to Earth, with terminal velocity, have the ability to kill people.” - Dr. Mohler
This contradicted their findings so far, so it was back to the drawing board.
“They made it for him special” “Through a wall, through a tree outside”. I love that movie!
“And you flunked physics!”
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Now, don’t you get snippy with me!
Is my mossburg with squirrel shot gonna go that far?
Be careful when use the word “every”.
2300 meters is about a mile and a half.
Former USMC sniper Carlos Hathcock was once accredited with hitting a NVA at 2,500 yards with a special scope-adapted .50 caliber machine gun converted to single shot operation - a lot more caliber of course, but it’s around 1.4 miles.
If he’d fired STRAIGHT UP — 90 degrees from the ground — the bullet would have simply stopped at the top of its travel and tumbled back to earth. While it COULD give someone it hit a headache, it would probably not have produced a serious injury.
A bullet fired at an angle between horizontal and around 89 degrees is on a TRAJECTORY and WILL injure or kill at the end of its travel.
But after reading the commnets to those who think their bullets won't go that far, I am startting to think Chuck Schumer is right, the average American can't be trusted with a gun.
and oh yeah Use the interwebs Google "bullet range" First link Range of a Handgun Bullet.
I see you found the 45 degree angle deal. :-)
Seems to be the perfect angle for maximum range.
Don’t know what it’s going to hit or where it’s going to land but it will be way out there.
Dude, read E-S’s posts again. He never said or claimed an aimed shot.
He was simply stating how far it would go.
There is a difference between the two.
Mythbusters has nothing to do with science. It is pure entertainment.
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