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Attrition: F-18s Cracking Up
Strategy Page ^ | July 22, 2009 | Strategy Page

Posted on 07/24/2009 11:47:37 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner

The U.S. Navy found cracks in two of its older F-18A/B/C/D series of aircraft. The apparent cause was a missing fastener. But to be on the safe side, all 622 of these F-18s are being inspected. The navy has been watching its F-18 carefully, because as aircraft age, they develop unexpected cracks. And the F-18 fleet has been aging fast.

Over the last decade, the U.S. Navy found that their older F-18C Hornet fighters were wearing out faster than planned for. This was sort of expected with the F-18Cs, which entered service during the late 1970s and early 80s. These aircraft were to last about twenty years. But that was based on a peacetime tempo of operations, with about a hundred carrier landings (which is hard on the airframe) per year. There have been more than that because of the 1991 Gulf War (and the subsequent decade of patrolling the no-fly zone) and the war on terror. So to keep enough of these aircraft operational until the F-35 arrives to replace them in the next decade, new structural components (mainly the center barrel sections) are being manufactured. This is good news for foreign users of the F-18C, who want to keep their aircraft operational for longer. But if the tail cracks problem is not related to missing fasteners, that's another matter.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: f18; hornet; navair; usn
Looks like the Navy's F-18s are starting to wear out fast too, just like USAF F-15s.
1 posted on 07/24/2009 11:47:38 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Carrier landings are hard on the hardware...


2 posted on 07/24/2009 11:49:28 AM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Time to invest in companies that make aluminum welding rods and super glue.


3 posted on 07/24/2009 11:53:22 AM PDT by bintenn
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Soon we will have around a hundred working fighters total in the US.

This is amazing... and our nuclear stock piles are getting old which about half are expected to fizzle in 10 years.
This reminds me of Post USSR for the Russians.

4 posted on 07/24/2009 11:53:22 AM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Too much time attached to the tanker.


5 posted on 07/24/2009 12:10:00 PM PDT by US Navy Vet
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To: grobdriver

Yep. You only have so many traps in an airframe. After that the aircraft goes to the boneyard.


6 posted on 07/24/2009 12:15:21 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Steve Van Doorn
This reminds me of Post USSR for the Russians.

Amazing isn't it? First the Berlin Wall comes down ('89), then the general drawdown in forces before and after GW1, then Clinton's "Peace Dividend", and finally the restructuring of the Total Force.

Apart from Ballistic Missile Defense we haven't made a serious re-investment in defence in 20 years.

7 posted on 07/24/2009 12:19:02 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner
Fighters are supposed to wear out and our adversaries are supposed to make them obsolete, so we come up with better designs and build them in the numbers necessary to defend the country and our interests.

The now killed by Congress and obama F-22 was one of our two solutions and the only one currently available. The other, the F-35, is a Fino, fighter in name only, and not an air superiority fighter like the F-22. It remains to be seen if it will be as effective as the F-16s, F-18s and AV-8Bs it is to replace.

In the mean time, the Russians have finally caught up with our F-15 and they and the Chinese are building and selling these improved fighters around the world as we are reducing our inventories by retiring our decades old airplanes while not buying new planes to replace them. We have done the same thing with our bomber inventory. Why are we committing this suicide?

8 posted on 07/24/2009 12:21:20 PM PDT by GBA
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

these arent the super hornets..are they?


9 posted on 07/24/2009 12:41:00 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous (I think youre so full of rage you don't care who you hurt)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

A friend was an engineer on the F 18 design team at McDonnell/Boeing.

They saw cracks years ago, and addressed them with reinforced support where the wings blend into the fuselage.

They identified one particular group responsible for hastening the fatigue on planes: Marine aviators. They like to treat their planes like their own personal airborne motocross bikes.


10 posted on 07/24/2009 12:41:12 PM PDT by lurk
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To: GBA

“Why are we committing this suicide?”

Because liberals are in power. The same thing happens every time liberals and moderates get control. They weaken our military defenses.

Reagan had to build our military strength up after the weakling Carter. Bush 43 had to do it after Bush 41 and Bill Clinton. Pray God we survive the Obamunist to rebuild again.

- JP
- JP


11 posted on 07/24/2009 12:41:56 PM PDT by Josh Painter ("We will have no more of those candidates who are pledged to the same goals as our opposition" - Ron)
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To: Armedanddangerous
From the article...

Two years ago, the U.S. Navy discovered that part of the wings on their F-18E (officially the "F/A-18E/F Super Hornet") were wearing out faster than expected. But an inspection of 476 F-18Es, only ten more were found to have cracks. The cracks indicated that, instead of lasting 6,000 flight hours, the portion of the wing that supports the pylons holding stuff (bombs, missiles, equipment pods or extra fuel tanks) is now expected to be good for no more than 3,000 flight hours.

The problem does not occur with the older F-18s (the A, C and D models) because, while they are also called F-18s, they are not the same as the F-18 E, F and G models. That's because, when the navy decided to build a replacement for the earlier F-18, they found they could get away with calling it an upgraded F-18 model. Thus, instead of it being called the F-24 (the next number available since the start of the Department of Defense's standard designation system in 1962) it could be called the F-18 E and F. While the F-18F looks like the original F-18, it is actually quite different. The F-18E is about 25 percent larger (and heavier) than the earlier F-18s, and had a new type of engine. By calling it an upgrade, it was easier for the navy to get the money from Congress. In the early 1990s, Congress was expecting a "peace dividend" from the end of the Cold War, and was slashing the defense budget. That's when the "F/A" designation was also invented, ostensibly to indicate that the aircraft was a fighter (the "F") and light bomber (the "A" for "Attack"). There was a lot of commonality between the two F-18s, but they are basically two different aircraft.

12 posted on 07/24/2009 2:04:02 PM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

I’ve never seen the “F/A” type designation used with respect to. The “E”, “F” or. “G” variants. I’ve only seen the “F for Fighter” used.


13 posted on 07/24/2009 6:27:12 PM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: magslinger

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14 posted on 07/24/2009 7:05:43 PM PDT by Vroomfondel
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15 posted on 07/24/2009 7:33:55 PM PDT by magslinger (Inside every father is a Bryan Mills waiting to get out.)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

These things were never intended to last forever.


16 posted on 07/25/2009 1:55:52 AM PDT by Ronin (It will be helpful if Geithner can show us some arithmetic.)
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To: Tallguy
I’ve never seen the “F/A” type designation used with respect to. The “E”, “F” or. “G” variants. I’ve only seen the “F for Fighter” used.

For the U.S., F/A is used for E and F, EA (no slash) for the G.

Canada uses the designation CF-18A/B. Finland and Switzerland use F-18C/D.

Thus far, only Australia has puchased the Super Hornet, and their designation is F/A-18F.

F/A-18E/F Super Hornet

EA-18G Growler

F/A-18A Hornet

Australian Super Hornet First Flight

17 posted on 07/25/2009 9:14:18 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Yo-Yo

Thanks. I hesitated to bring that up because you’re one of the guys that really keeps up on this kind of thing. I didn’t think it likely that you were incorrect, yet it did seem like writers were rather consistently referring to the later variant Hornets as simply “F-18E/F”, rather than “F/A”.

I figured that the Navy simply dropped the “F/A” designator — which sorta makes sense. Very few fighters are pure interceptors or ACM machines.


18 posted on 07/26/2009 7:43:04 AM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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