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Face Off: Obama's Birth Certificate [video]
http://loudobbs.tv.cnn.com/2009/07/24/face-off-10/ ^ | July 24, '09 | Lou Dobbs

Posted on 07/25/2009 11:02:57 AM PDT by T.L.Sink

President Obama promised transparency in government...yet the White House WON'T release his original birth certificate. Many Americans are asking...WHY NOT? The mainstream liberal media is attacking me for simply asking the question. Meanwhile, the state of Hawaii says it CAN'T release a copy of the president's original birth certificate because it discarded the original document when its health department records went electronic eight years ago. That explanation has not satisfied critics though. Joining me are Roland Martin and Congressman Ted Poe.

(Excerpt) Read more at loudobbs.tv.cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: article2section1; barackobama; bho2009; bho44; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; colb; constitution; eligibility; hawaii; ineligible; kenya; naturalborn; naturalborncitizen; obama; obamanoncitizenissue; urlisnotthesource
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Note how Roland Martin splutters and blusters into irrationality when his fellow black Democrat's citizenship is challenged. In fact, Lou has to rebuke him and admonish him for losing control. He's obviously very threatened. Could that insecurity be because he really suspects the truth of his own spin? Me thinks the Democrat doth protest too much!
1 posted on 07/25/2009 11:02:57 AM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: T.L.Sink

bookmark for later viewing. Thanks for posting the link.


2 posted on 07/25/2009 11:08:27 AM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: T.L.Sink

Someone once said. If you tell a lie loud enough, and often enough, it becomes truth. Or words to that effect.


3 posted on 07/25/2009 11:15:25 AM PDT by BigCinBigD ('When a man believes that any stick will do, he at once picks up a boomerang,')
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To: T.L.Sink; Dr. Eckleburg

I used to research public records— even if the original paper has gone missing (which I doubt) they have photocopies of the originals on microfilm, that’s just procedure.


4 posted on 07/25/2009 11:16:02 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: T.L.Sink
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5 posted on 07/25/2009 11:17:43 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: BigCinBigD

Joseph Goebbels, the famous Nazi propaganda chief!!


7 posted on 07/25/2009 11:20:08 AM PDT by Stayfree (REWARD FOR OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE.COM)
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To: T.L.Sink

And notice how well Roland (whom I used to think was above this sputtering rhetoric) uses Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals.
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Rule 1: Power is not only what you have, but what an opponent thinks you have. If your organization is small, hide your numbers in the dark and raise a din that will make everyone think you have many more people than you do.

Rule 2: Never go outside the experience of your people.
The result is confusion, fear, and retreat.

Rule 3: Whenever possible, go outside the experience of an opponent. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.

Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. “You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.”

Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.

Rule 6: A good tactic is one your people enjoy. “If your people aren’t having a ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic.”

Rule 7: A tactic that drags on for too long becomes a drag. Commitment may become ritualistic as people turn to other issues.

Rule 8: Keep the pressure on. Use different tactics and actions and use all events of the period for your purpose. “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this that will cause the opposition to react to your advantage.”

Rule 9: The threat is more terrifying than the thing itself. When Alinsky leaked word that large numbers of poor people were going to tie up the washrooms of O’Hare Airport, Chicago city authorities quickly agreed to act on a longstanding commitment to a ghetto organization. They imagined the mayhem as thousands of passengers poured off airplanes to discover every washroom occupied. Then they imagined the international embarrassment and the damage to the city’s reputation.

Rule 10: The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. Avoid being trapped by an opponent or an interviewer who says, “Okay, what would you do?”

Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Don’t try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame.

According to Alinsky, the main job of the organizer is to bait an opponent into reacting. “The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength.”
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Become familiar enough with these so that you can stop anyone using them by asking WHY they are using Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals and not answering the question.


8 posted on 07/25/2009 11:21:17 AM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (I believe in CHOICE: Let the Fetus decide whether to be born or to spontaneously abort. FETAL CHOICE)
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To: HighlyOpinionated
Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it

Yep, Lou Dobbs, meet Sarah Palin

9 posted on 07/25/2009 11:23:29 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: 1000 silverlings

In 1961, I’m sure they would have copies etc.

Back in my day they didn’t.
Mine and my mother’s BCs were lost in a courthouse fire.

No proof except what her mother’s statement said and no proof for me other
then my mother’s statement. Then we both were given a ‘document’
that said we were who we were, when we were born and to whom we were born.


10 posted on 07/25/2009 11:24:00 AM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Liberty...freedom from government. Tyranny...no freedom from government)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Yes. When courthouses, county recorders, etc. switched to microfilm they photocopied original documents. When you go to get your “birth certificate”, you pay to get a certified copy of the original. Plus government stores the originals somewhere, and in a logical order, so they can be retrieved.


11 posted on 07/25/2009 11:29:01 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: T.L.Sink

Roland needs a hit on that bong to calm him down...I like the way the Congressman kept his cool and stayed on point, that sure did make Roland seem like a juvenile prick!


12 posted on 07/25/2009 11:32:33 AM PDT by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: TribalPrincess2U

Where are the Doctors, nurses or staff who were there for odumbos birth?


13 posted on 07/25/2009 11:36:11 AM PDT by italianquaker (We went from a country that hates the president to a president that hates his country)
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To: BigCinBigD
The complete quote is:
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
Joseph Goebbels did say it and was Hitler's Master of Propaganda.
14 posted on 07/25/2009 11:43:03 AM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: T.L.Sink
Birth Certificate Wanted: of course

and

OTHER DOCUMENTS: Occidental College records, passports, selective service records, etc. etc.

let us not forget .........

15 posted on 07/25/2009 11:43:04 AM PDT by urtax$@work (The best kind of memorial is a Burning Memorial.........)
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To: T.L.Sink

Outstanding; thank you for posting that. I watched the whole thing -— had missed that Lou episode. The headlines about McCain (not that I supported him) v. Obama.... frightening.


16 posted on 07/25/2009 11:45:00 AM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: T.L.Sink
Questions are more effective than statements ... whether factual or not.

"Roland, what does that document tell us about Mr. Obama?"

The moment he goes off of the actual data on the document, stop him and ask, "Where on the document does it say that?"


I have yet to see an effective interview regarding this (and many) points of interest.



Question ... don't state.

17 posted on 07/25/2009 11:57:50 AM PDT by knarf
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To: T.L.Sink
Very telling statement from the Obama defender:

"You probably have better things to do, congressman, than this silly little law here."

He just called the constitutional requirements of elegibility for someone to be President a, "Silly little law."

Someone ought to remind him that the guy named Adolf who was elected to run Germany all those decades ago wasn't a German, either.
And he made a very memorable and devastating impact on world affairs then, and still today.
18 posted on 07/25/2009 12:01:22 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (30-year smoker, E-Cigs helped me quit, and O wants me back smoking again?)
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To: T.L.Sink

The picture of the computer printout looks like it may have been photo-shopped. The lettering on the left looks “too perfect” and is “too aligned” to be part of a contemporaneous picture of a tri-fold document. Any PhotoShop experts out there? Any DU lurkers care to comment?


19 posted on 07/25/2009 12:03:22 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: T.L.Sink

They all missed the point. The question is whether Obama is a natural born citizen—a requirement under the Constitution to be President. Obama could receive an Hawaiian COLB and be born elsewhere or be a natuarlized citizen. Obama has spent close to $1 million to prevent the release of the document. Why?


20 posted on 07/25/2009 12:10:41 PM PDT by kabar
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