Skip to comments.Face Off: Obama's Birth Certificate [video]
Posted on 07/25/2009 11:02:57 AM PDT by T.L.Sink
President Obama promised transparency in government...yet the White House WON'T release his original birth certificate. Many Americans are asking...WHY NOT? The mainstream liberal media is attacking me for simply asking the question. Meanwhile, the state of Hawaii says it CAN'T release a copy of the president's original birth certificate because it discarded the original document when its health department records went electronic eight years ago. That explanation has not satisfied critics though. Joining me are Roland Martin and Congressman Ted Poe.
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bookmark for later viewing. Thanks for posting the link.
Someone once said. If you tell a lie loud enough, and often enough, it becomes truth. Or words to that effect.
I used to research public records— even if the original paper has gone missing (which I doubt) they have photocopies of the originals on microfilm, that’s just procedure.
Saw this the other night.
Roland Martin was going absolutely cuckoo interrupting everybody.
And his “logic”: “he’s already in so you can’t remove him if he’s a fraud”
That is what he said, in essence.
Oh ... so that’s how it works now.
Joseph Goebbels, the famous Nazi propaganda chief!!
And notice how well Roland (whom I used to think was above this sputtering rhetoric) uses Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals.
Rule 1: Power is not only what you have, but what an opponent thinks you have. If your organization is small, hide your numbers in the dark and raise a din that will make everyone think you have many more people than you do.
Rule 2: Never go outside the experience of your people.
The result is confusion, fear, and retreat.
Rule 3: Whenever possible, go outside the experience of an opponent. Here you want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.
Rule 4: Make opponents live up to their own book of rules. You can kill them with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church can live up to Christianity.
Rule 5: Ridicule is mans most potent weapon. Its hard to counterattack ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.
Rule 6: A good tactic is one your people enjoy. If your people arent having a ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic.
Rule 7: A tactic that drags on for too long becomes a drag. Commitment may become ritualistic as people turn to other issues.
Rule 8: Keep the pressure on. Use different tactics and actions and use all events of the period for your purpose. The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this that will cause the opposition to react to your advantage.
Rule 9: The threat is more terrifying than the thing itself. When Alinsky leaked word that large numbers of poor people were going to tie up the washrooms of OHare Airport, Chicago city authorities quickly agreed to act on a longstanding commitment to a ghetto organization. They imagined the mayhem as thousands of passengers poured off airplanes to discover every washroom occupied. Then they imagined the international embarrassment and the damage to the citys reputation.
Rule 10: The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. Avoid being trapped by an opponent or an interviewer who says, Okay, what would you do?
Rule 11: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, polarize it. Dont try to attack abstract corporations or bureaucracies. Identify a responsible individual. Ignore attempts to shift or spread the blame.
According to Alinsky, the main job of the organizer is to bait an opponent into reacting. The enemy properly goaded and guided in his reaction will be your major strength.
Become familiar enough with these so that you can stop anyone using them by asking WHY they are using Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals and not answering the question.
Yep, Lou Dobbs, meet Sarah Palin
In 1961, I’m sure they would have copies etc.
Back in my day they didn’t.
Mine and my mother’s BCs were lost in a courthouse fire.
No proof except what her mother’s statement said and no proof for me other
then my mother’s statement. Then we both were given a ‘document’
that said we were who we were, when we were born and to whom we were born.
Yes. When courthouses, county recorders, etc. switched to microfilm they photocopied original documents. When you go to get your “birth certificate”, you pay to get a certified copy of the original. Plus government stores the originals somewhere, and in a logical order, so they can be retrieved.
Roland needs a hit on that bong to calm him down...I like the way the Congressman kept his cool and stayed on point, that sure did make Roland seem like a juvenile prick!
Where are the Doctors, nurses or staff who were there for odumbos birth?
OTHER DOCUMENTS: Occidental College records, passports, selective service records, etc. etc.
let us not forget .........
Outstanding; thank you for posting that. I watched the whole thing -— had missed that Lou episode. The headlines about McCain (not that I supported him) v. Obama.... frightening.
"Roland, what does that document tell us about Mr. Obama?"
The moment he goes off of the actual data on the document, stop him and ask, "Where on the document does it say that?"
I have yet to see an effective interview regarding this (and many) points of interest.
Question ... don't state.
The picture of the computer printout looks like it may have been photo-shopped. The lettering on the left looks “too perfect” and is “too aligned” to be part of a contemporaneous picture of a tri-fold document. Any PhotoShop experts out there? Any DU lurkers care to comment?
They all missed the point. The question is whether Obama is a natural born citizen—a requirement under the Constitution to be President. Obama could receive an Hawaiian COLB and be born elsewhere or be a natuarlized citizen. Obama has spent close to $1 million to prevent the release of the document. Why?
From what I was told there were a "Lot" of courthouse fires after our first Civil War. The citizens did not want to be traced or found. Some never were.
Roland Martin is showing himself to be a certified Ahole.
Didn’t someone from the State of Hawaii say that they DID have the long form copy, but it was secured and only Obama could get a copy? I thought I remember that occurring when Obama went to Hawaii. Does anyone else recall that?
Yeah, he’s not satisfied that affirmative action got him his job but he thinks it also entitles him to filibuster, overtalk, interrupt and to his own set of ‘facts.’
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I disagree because Dr. Goebbels had a Ph.d from Heidelberg and was a propagandist with ability. Someone like Martin is a talentless windbag who’s too stupid to even make the party line plausible!
How true! Great post!
Thanks for that Alinsky outline - and good observation!
This has been covered extensively by Ron Polarik on World News Daily and here. Ron convincingly contends that the Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) produced by the "zero" administration, first shown on the daily kos (I pronounce it chaos) and fact check. org was photoshopped and forged.
As Dobbs said, the Certificate of Live Birth is not a birth certificate, just a document that says a Birth Certificate exists.
The state of Hawaii has not certified this document, it has said that it has a birth certificate on file but it has not stated that it is a birth certificate from the state of Hawaii, that the COLB produced is connected to said Birth Certificate or where the Birth Certificate on file is from.
"Meanwhile the state of Hawaii says it cannot release a paper copy of the presidents original birth certificate because it discarded the original document when its health department records went electronic eight years ago."
First I've heard this. How convenient, obviously efforts to forge a copy of the birth certificate that would pass close examination have not proved fruitful.
I know what you mean. It just stretches credibility too far to believe that because a few years ago a system was automated that vital legal documents were just tossed out. By the way, I’ve got a bridge in N.Y. I can sell Roland Martin!
Right - and I’ve heard another old adage that applies to Martin: “He makes sense in inverse proportion to his volume.”
Absolutely! I think the fact that Poe was so calm and rationally proposed a sensible piece of legislation that would prevent this whole issue from arising in the future unhinged poor old Roland!
OMG! Look how insanely perturbed that Roland Martin is! This is an absolute riot! GREAT POST!
Good observation - when the Left raises these questions it’s “journalism,” but not for any others!
Good point - a proposed law that’s completely consistent with constitutional requirements for the presidency sauddenly becomes “silly” because Obama hasn’t met the requirements! Great logic!
I don’t know if they were the first but that was the Nazi’s tactic in Germany. And they openly told each other that such was the only way to convince people to believe the lie.
Behaves like a true Obama follower. The whole lot of them are about the most hostile ugly group of folks on the planet.
Right. In regard to Obama himself, I think Rush put it best: “No one says NOTHING more eloquently than Obama.”
I’ll have to check that out.
Dobbs was pretty darn cool and he was right on.
Martin’s just another Obamacorn nut.
The governor of Hawaii.
Here is the link to another video related to the Birth Certificate issue.
It was shot near Kansas City. Lib stealing signs that related to Birth Certificate. Pretty common MO for that type.
Warning some foul language. And lots of dumb looks as the sign thief was questioned by another citizen with video camers.
Someone should run his plate and find out who he is and where he lives and give that information to the signs owner. It’s obvious from the video he’s a low grade moron.
I was watching Geraldo on Fox tonight and he had Lamont Hill, Ann Coulter and Mike Huckabee on. The BHO birth certificate was discussed and both Ann Coulter and Huckabee said the BHO was qualified to be POTUS. Ann made fun of those people that are saying the BHO is not a citizen of the US and not eligible to be POTUS.
I am shock at the ignorance of these people. Especially Ann Coulter who is a consitutional law expert like BHO. The constitution clearly says in Article 2 Section 1 that to be eligible for POTUS a person must be a Natural Born U.S. Citizen. A Natural Born US Citizen is one that is born of two US citizen parents on American soil.
Thanks for that link. Liberals have taken so much else from hard-working citizens, why not those signs? Such liberal activists have no respect for the personhood, property, or privacy of law-abiding citizens when their interests conflict with the traditional American values of law, ethics and common decency. For them, the end justifies the means. But history has taught us that, in the end, the MEANS BECOME THE END.
1. I like Huckabee, so I'm surprised that he made such statement.
2. That is, how could Huckabee make such a statement if he has not personally seen and touched Obama's 1961 long form birth certificate?
3. Let's have a little fun with this Obama birth certificate issue: Imagine this if you can: Geraldo Rivera decides to run for President of the United States in a few years.
4. Can you imagine the hundreds of people in each state who will be screaming and demanding as loud as possible that they want to see Geraldo's long form birth certificate and his college records before he is allowed to enter the primaries in each state?
5. My point is this: Geraldo should get off Dobbs' back and let Dobbs do his job.
6. Dobbs' job as an investigative reporter is to find the truth concerning Obama's eligibility to be president and to make sure that Obama is who he says he is.
7. Dobbs can do his job by continuing to fight to get access to Obama's Hawaii 1961 long form birth certificate.
8. Capone's locker: Geraldo seems to forget the ridicule and heavy criticism he received when he did a tv show many years ago in which he tried to find out what might be hidden in the so-called Al Capone locker/safe. He was laughed at but no one tried to stop him.
9. So, Geraldo, I say this to you: Leave Dobbs alone so that he can do his job on this Obama birth certificate issue just as the public let you do your job on that comical Al Capone locker tv show.
TOO LATE NOW! There are now some constitutional/legislative theologians who say that even IF the DemocRAT votes COULD be found to impeach him, that Obama is legally UNIMPEACHABLE, if in fact he is not a natural-born American. They say that, because then he would never have been eligible to hold the office in the first place, and so is NOT the President, and thus CANNOT be impeached! The articles simply would NOT APPLY to him, any more than they would to you or me. Meanwhile, he occupies the White House, sitting around smoking cigars, drinking Crown Royal, and flitting about on Air Force One. If true, HOW would he be removed from the White House? Perhaps via an ordinary EVICTION process? Don’t let the media bury this story!
I didn’t see that program because I avoid Geraldo like the plague because he’s a mountebank and a fraud. The problem with Ann is that she’s a satirist and a satirist always pushes the envelope. I find it hard half the time to know whether she’s just being ironic or sarcastic or serious. My impression of Poe is that he’s willing to give Obama the benefit of the doubt BUT still maintains the hard evidence (genuine birth certificate) is lacking. And that’s why he’s proposed legislation that will avoid this confusion in the future.
It strikes me that the argument needn’t be so convoluted: If Obama hasn’t met the constitutional requirements to hold the presidential office then, in fact, he’s NOT the president and you can’t impeach someone in an office he doesn’t hold. Result? Obama simply steps down and looks for an opening as community organizer.
IF he steps down voluntarilly.
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