Posted on 07/26/2009 9:51:54 AM PDT by AJKauf
Rumors questioning President Barack Obama’s citizenship have been circulating since the first part of 2008, when opponents of the Democratic nominee — including many supporters of Democratic primary candidate and now Secretary of State Hillary Clinton — floated rumors that Obama did not meet the citizenship requirements to become president of the United States as set forth in the Constitution.
These opponents claim Obama is ineligible because he was — they allege — not born in the United States.
Various theories of where President Obama’s birth may have occurred have failed to produce any documentation that suggests he was born overseas. An alleged Kenyan birth figures prominently in one popular theory; a lesser known theory places his birth in Vancouver, British Columbia. Another theory accepts that he was born in Hawaii as a natural born citizen, but then argues that the Indonesian citizenship he gained as a child after moving to be with his mother and stepfather in Indonesia stripped him of his U.S. citizenship because Indonesia does not recognize dual citizenship (Indonesian law regarding dual citizenship is irrelevant in the United States).
Last week, a lawsuit filed by a U.S. Army Reserve major questioning Barack Obama’s eligibility to serve as president gained notoriety for several days when the Army canceled his deployment, prompting his attorney to declare victory in the case. ..
(Excerpt) Read more at pajamasmedia.com ...
Furture history books will have a chapter entitled, The Kenyan Imposter.
NOW LETS TALK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENS IF IT TURNS OUT ‘THE ONE’ IS NOT LEGIT!
GET PEOPLE TO QUESTION IT AND ‘INTERESTED PARTIES’ thinking they might get to be president
I’m less interested in the BC and the place of his birth than I am in the identity of his father, his father’s citizenship, information in his medical records, information in his college applications and transcripts, information on his passport applications, information on post-graduate writings, and on his employment experience.
Just who is this 0bama guy?
The press failed to do their job and now we’re all [including the press] paying a terrible price. The press’ Waterloo. Amen.
I STILL think when we have a conservative in the White House that press conferences should be called with ONLY internet reporters. Let us control the news and sue LAT et al for copying the news. Aholes.
Oh, yes. They were.
Only they raised it as it related to John McCain's citizenship.
Barack Obama and the media are currently acting very stupidly. They can't seem to get a grasp on the difference between a certification of live birth and a "birth certiificate."
In case Barack is trolling the thread today, this is what a Hawaii Birth Certificate looks like:
Yes, we should as a nation demand that all future presidential candidates release ALL Medical Records and ALL College Transcripts.
However, U.S. Passport records would not contain all that much information except for what was on the documentation used in the application process.
I am appalled that our judiciary are sooooo morally weak that they simply will not stand up to do what is right. I am disgusted with our representatives across the nation who **ignored** Obama’s qualifications when they had the opportunity to do so. I am infuriated at Rush, Hannity, Medved et al ( and now Ann Coulter) who have the collective gonads of a dust mite.
But...I far more saddened for another reason. Why? Because all of this is a symptom of something far greater.
Our experiment in self-rule rests upon a foundation of moral and honest good will. We now have a very significant portion of the population ( Marxist) who are determined to scam the system. Worse, we have a population of Useful Idiots who are sooooo morally numb that they will follow morally corrupt leaders off a communist cliff. And,...The most serious of all is we don't have conservative with moral and honest guts to fight back!
Yes, we must demand that our states write laws to demand candidates prove they are qualified for the office. Yes, we should attempt to tighten up the rules for who gets on the ballot.
But....Doing all this is like putting a band-aid on a gushing dishonest and immoral hemorrhage.
What will the Marxists think of next? What will our morally weak conservatives choose to ignore next?
The fundamental problem here is national moral dry rot.
For me the epiphany was the 2000 election recount. That is when I realized that Marxists had control of the Democratic Party and would do **anything** to scam a system that can only function with honest good will.
I no longer will have a Marxist or Useful Idiot for a friend. That means **all** Democrats and some Republicans. They are either too stupid or too evil, and maybe both.
I think that the smoking gun is not the birth certificate but after his return to Haiwaii from Indonesia.
I think he went by Barry Soetero and used his foreign passport to get grants, scholarships and all kinds of other goodies.
1. Grandma had access to birh and deah certs.
2. Bogus birth announcement
3. traveled after he was 18 on Indoneasian passport
Regardless, if he had no secrets he would not have spent close to a million dollars keeping us from seeing his school records.
Americans might overlook birth cert. but not fraud and identity theft.
That's more than is on the BC trumandogz. Place of birth and citizenship of the applicant and both parents is some of what I'd like.
Yes, we should as a nation demand that all future presidential candidates release ALL Medical Records and ALL College Transcripts.
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Yeah! We should do that.
But...What will the Marxists think up next to scam the system?
Ultimately, it is impossible to write enough laws that are tight enough to coral evil. They will find some other way to scam a system that is built upon the honest good will to make it work.
The fundamental problem here is national moral dry rot.
I just noticed that the black guy who did those rants about Obama(not Pastor Manning) did a Video with the name Pajamas Media on it.
Is he an owner, did they hire him, or what? Does anyone know the story?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfL-Oj1rQ-c
Actually, everyone who is issued a US Passport is an American citizen.
I believe that Arnold Schwarzenegger can NEVER be President although he IS a citizen.
That fact alone might sink into the shallow egomania of the typical American voter who doesn't care about anything except their own recent auto purchase.
Every thing King Obama says of does is the product of a lie. This lying piece of garbage is never to be believed by any sane person. I really think his birth place is a lie and he was not a natural born American and nothing can change my mind since a committed liar cannot be trusted.
He traveled to Indonesia for a time to write one of his books.
That is within the last 15 years.
What passport did he travel on to go there for ‘peace & quiet’ while ‘writing’??
Obama should admit he was born in Kenya. The handwriting is on the wall.
If indeed, it turns out he is not legit. He and his administration should be immediately ousted from office and McCain/Palin should be sworn into office.
“However, U.S. Passport records would not contain all that much information except for what was on the documentation used in the application process. “
What about his mother’s passport records...they should tell the story easily
And what would you expect to see in his mother's passport records?
So I think I should have indicated “all passport records”. That is, if we had US records but no record of him [for example], would that mean he didn’t apply as a US citizen?
But I digress - him being a citizen is not my concern. Of course I’m interested if he’s natural born - but also info on father, college applications, transcripts, fin. aid junk, etc.
I would like to see his college transcript, but believe we should see all the college transcripts of everyone that runs for president.
If he was born in the U.S. the status of his father is irrelevant.
You said — Actually, everyone who is issued a US Passport is an American citizen.
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Hmmm..., that’s a novel idea.. when did they start doing that? LOL...
You said — Obama should admit he was born in Kenya.
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However, what Obama did, instead — was swore an oath, and signed it — in which he said he was a “natural born citizen” (doing so at least 50 different times in 50 different places)...
I would venture a guess, that having sworn that oath at least 50 times, means he’s not going to do what you ask... :-)
See post #7 for one sworn and signed statement...
I disagree but am open...
If he was born in US, he's a citizen - just like an anchor baby. But that alone does not make him natural born and eligible for CIC. For that he'd need to have citizen parents [both.] That's one reason I want the info on Pop.
That's also a possible reason people swear he was born in the US but refuse to show a BC which would indicate Pop's Kenyan/British citizenship... thus disqualifying.
Could you please cite the legislation that states that a person must have two parents who are US citizens and be born in the US in order to be a natural born citizen?
” He traveled to Indonesia for a time to write one of his books.”
Both Michelle and Barack moved to Indonesia
“ for several months “ according to Obama’s sister,Maya Soetoro-Ng.
But, as with all things Obama-the exact time frame is unknown.
This was apparently during the early years of the nirvana known as the Clinton Administration.
The excuse for the two of them literally moving to Indonesia
was so Obama could find peace and quiet to write his book.
At that time, he was a nobody.
It defies common sense to believe that Barry could not find a quiet place in the US to write.
Like Hawaii.
It’s noteworthy that the Obamas never talk about this time-only the Indonesian period when he was a kid.
That way if he slips and sings the Muslim call to prayer in pitch perfect Arabic-
he can say he remembers it from his childhood.
And not from his ex pat days.
The media has never asked him about this missing time in Indonesia.
Guess they don’t read the New York Times.
” The Long Run-The Story of Obama, Written By Obama “
Janny Scott , New York Times May 18,2008
All this reminds me of a Ghandi quote:
“First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.”
Right now we’re somewhere between stages two and three. I hope we can last until stage four is complete.
“And what would you expect to see in his mother’s passport records?”
Whether or not she traveled outside the US anywhere near the time of his birth
Prediction: If this issue ever gets to the point where the Dullard-in-Chief is forced to release the certificate, it will NOT be one comparable to those issued during the year of his birth. It will be a “newer” form, because the original was “lost” or “misplaced”.
However, be assured that Hawaiian officials will guarantee that this is equivalent to the original.
Wanna bet?
I suspect that State Department records would have shown that Obama travelled much of his life on an Indonesian passport.
But I also suspect that since he sent three of his agents in to look at his records (one of whom was shot last summer in DC), most likely the filing cabinet is now empty.
As clinton loved to say, “There is no evidence.” It was all burned or shredded.
While such a passport file, if it still did exist, might show a date of entry into the US, it would not include to which countries she traveled to while outside the United States.
Sorry, but US Passport records do not include the countries one has traveled.
You said — Prediction: If this issue ever gets to the point where the Dullard-in-Chief is forced to release the certificate, it will NOT be one comparable to those issued during the year of his birth. It will be a “newer” form, because the original was “lost” or “misplaced”.
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LOL... you’re about 8 years too late... :-)
The State of Hawaii went to digital with these records 8 years ago. They discarded the paper. Now they have the original image in digital form and the data base entry from the original.
If you’re making a “prediction” — you’ve got to do it ahead of the time that it happens... LOL...
Why? What possible good is it to know possibly embarrassing details of childhood ailments or other non relevant issues? Would it even matter if a candidate was treated for an STD or yeast infection at some point?
Health is an issue but not everything needs to be public.
I wonder if he’d be able to GET a passport NOW.
My sister-in-law who lives in Presidio, TX now needs a passport to go Ojinaga, where she’s gone since she was a kid. She has her certified birth certificate that got her into school and went with her I-9 for her teaching job. Because the “doctor” was a mid-wife and she is of Mexican descent, she has to FIND witnesses to her birth for affidavits before she can get a passport. There are other stories out there of former service members not being able to get passports because of this. If they weren’t of Mexican descent, the mid-wife is a non-issue!
This is NUTS that we know NOTHING of the White House occupant. I guess he won’t have the need for a library - there’ll be nothing to put it and they won’t know WHERE to build it.
Wouldn’t there be a stamp in the passport at the port of entry from each country visited? Maybe even a date?
Yes, you may have stamps within your own passport of the nations you enter/exit but that data is not transfered to your passport file at the state department.
I would also like to see his travel records period, on whose passport did he travel to Pakistan?
Evil people have taken advantage of the fact that:
“Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other - John Adams.”
One of the reasons behind the PC denigration behind Judeo-Christian values.
Well, yes.
But not necessarily “natural born.”
There is a huge difference.
And a US Passport does not indicate if a person is a natural born citizen.
And there is no US law that defines “natural born citizen.”
look here for a beginning spot [i'm sure no FReeper would rely completely on others' research] if you like.
also, if there is no problem w/ his eligibility, why spend a million bucks [so far] to keep it under wraps?
If 0 does the things he does and has done, why would he balk at cheating here?
There are so many reasons to pursue this;
to clear it up for next election
to clear it up for our current president
there is absolutely no downside
That’s right.
Which brings us back to the real question: what, exactly, is Obama trying to hide by refusing to release any of his records?
Per factcheck, this is an April 1 hoax:
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/print_has_a_smoking_gun_been_found_to.html
I googled the group supposedly releasing the info and could not find them.
I have been saying for almost a year now is that the Obama Campaign-White House has left the BC issue out there to fester in order to detract from his agenda and make those who oppose him look like kooks.
On the Obama NBC issue I stand with Dick Cheney, John Roberts and Ann Coulter.
How about his mother’s marriage license? Were Obama’s parents ever married?
I was not aware that the Constitution required that a president’s parents be married.
I wasn’t either. I am just wondering when and where his parents got married if ever. I am allowed to wonder about that am I not or do you know something I don’t?
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