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Is Obama hiding his birth certificate?
The Hindustan Times ^ | July 26, 2009

Posted on 07/26/2009 8:07:10 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

As President Barack Obama attempts to cool a heated racial row in the US linked to the arrest of a black Harvard professor, a growing conspiracy claims that he is hiding a Kenyan birth certificate, making him ineligible to serve as president.

Conspiracy theorists in the United States and far right wingers, who have begun to call themselves “birthers”, claim that Obama is not entitled to be in the White House simply because he is “foreign born”, the Daily Telegraph said.

According to the conspiracists, there is something suspicious in the absence of a photocopy of Obama’s original birth record, known as the “long form”, even as the White House has published copies of his official birth certificate -—a printed summary of his birth details, including the name of the medical centre in Honolulu, Hawaii, where he was born.

The “birthers” claim that the photocopy of Obama's original birth record would have been prepared by doctors or hospital officials involved in his birth and would contain fuller details, including the address of his parents.

According to Conservative radio host George Gordon Liddy, who was linked to the Watergate burglary, Obama was in fact born in Kenya, his father's home country. He claims to have seen a deposition by the President's Kenyan step-grandmother, 86-year-old Sarah Obama, stating that the city of his birth was Mombasa, the report said. The President is therefore "an illegal alien", Liddy said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; colb; drudge; kenya; liddy; mombasa; obama; talkradio
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Did I miss something? Does the photcopied certificate of live birth (COLB) that they put on Obama's "Fight the Smears" website (The one that Chrissy Matthews was waving around the other day) have the name of the hospital where he was born?

And if this is in the Hindustan Times, even when factually incorrect, what does that tell us about it's "legs" and their chance of putting the genie back in the bottle? Or should I say "djinn" instead of genie in honor of our Dear Leader?

1 posted on 07/26/2009 8:07:11 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

No, the COLB did not mention hospital. Also, FightTheSmears has been taken down... this month.


2 posted on 07/26/2009 8:11:15 PM PDT by PghBaldy (http://www.blackfive.net/main/2009/06/president-obama-visits-wounded-troops.html)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I know you’ve been following this issue a lot closer than I.

But wasn’t Obama’s mother born 11/29/1942?


3 posted on 07/26/2009 8:12:24 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"According to the conspiracists, there is something suspicious... blah blah blah"

Conspiracists? Its a conspiracy on the part of the people demanding a legitimate BC be produced?

4 posted on 07/26/2009 8:12:40 PM PDT by GregoTX (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is his religion listed on his Birth Certificate?


5 posted on 07/26/2009 8:13:21 PM PDT by airborne (Congratulations to the Stanley Cup Champions! PITTSBURGH PENGUINS RULE!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://www.politifact.com/media/img/graphics/birthCertObama.jpg

Image link - NO mention of hospital


6 posted on 07/26/2009 8:13:41 PM PDT by VRWCTexan (History has a long memory - but still repeats itself)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m a conspi-racist....


7 posted on 07/26/2009 8:15:11 PM PDT by freebilly
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To: GregoTX
I thought this was all cleared up by some local yokel in Honolulu saying he declares the birth certificate on file to be legit and he certifies that obimma obamma was born in Honolulu.(and by the way did anybody find my reading glasses, I can't see a thing without them)
8 posted on 07/26/2009 8:15:39 PM PDT by shadeaud ("If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten." -- George Carlin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How does asking the president to show his birth certificate constitute a conspiracy?


9 posted on 07/26/2009 8:17:47 PM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, passport and school records.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A friend of mine just completed a cross-country hiking / river floating trip in the Brooks Range of Alaska. He voted for the bamster. I asked him if he happened to find a copy of 0’s BC while he was there. He was not amused. Typical lib...


10 posted on 07/26/2009 8:18:25 PM PDT by 43north (11.04.08: the day America committed voluntary suicide)
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To: GregoTX; freebilly
"Conspiracists? Its a conspiracy on the part of the people demanding a legitimate BC be produced?"

Can you believe these crackpot, hillbilly, right-wing wackos demanding that the man who holds the world's most powerful position (including control of thousands of nuclear weapons, 15 carrier battle groups, etc.) should have to prove his eligibility for that office? G**Damn racists!

11 posted on 07/26/2009 8:21:30 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("I won't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass." Admiral IsorokoYamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hindustan Times?


12 posted on 07/26/2009 8:29:28 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Looks like it is working!


13 posted on 07/26/2009 8:31:18 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Socialist Conservatives: "'Big government is free because tax cuts pay for it'")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Someone needs to send this to DRUDGE.


14 posted on 07/26/2009 8:31:54 PM PDT by hiho hiho
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

All Mr. Obama has to do is provide for forensic inspection his long form Brth cCtificate. The long form Birth Certificate will show (through parental citizenship) whether or not he’s a “Natural Born Citizen” of the US of A - Natural Born being defined as both parents of US citizenship.

In the Army, this is something we would say to be “too easy”.

Or perhaps not......


15 posted on 07/26/2009 8:33:18 PM PDT by roaddog727 (Onward into the Breach, and Faciendum est!)
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To: shadeaud

To the best of my knowledge no Hawaiian official has said anything more than the long form B.C. is valid. None has ever said that it proved that Obama was born in Hawaii.


16 posted on 07/26/2009 8:34:51 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: wintertime

Looks like we have outsourced our investigative reporting too.


17 posted on 07/26/2009 8:34:57 PM PDT by hiho hiho
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

the drum beat gets louder and louder. Let’s see it


18 posted on 07/26/2009 8:37:25 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“And if this is in the Hindustan Times, even when factually incorrect, what does that tell us about it’s “legs”..”

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Be patient, this affair will only grow worldwide. It is not only the American people who deserve to know the identity of their president — pretty soon all heads of state will want to know who they’re dealing with. Too much is at stake. No one wants to sign agreements with an enigma.

This whole affair is making us a laughing stock. If Obama and Congress had any decency they would put an end to this guessing game once and for all.


19 posted on 07/26/2009 8:37:25 PM PDT by 353FMG (Death is Life without Freedom.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Did I miss something? Does the photcopied certificate of live birth (COLB) that they put on Obama’s “Fight the Smears” website (The one that Chrissy Matthews was waving around the other day) have the name of the hospital where he was born?”

No, the COLB doesnt have it. It only states city/town of birth (Honolulu). However the reported official-bio birthplace hospital is Kapiolani Medical Center in Honolulu, Hawaii.


20 posted on 07/26/2009 8:40:17 PM PDT by WOSG (Why is Obama trying to bankrupt America with $16 trillion in spending over the next 4 years?)
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To: airborne
I am sure all birth certificates list the baby's religion. /sarcasm
21 posted on 07/26/2009 8:41:55 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael; shadeaud

Here’s what state of Hawaii said:
http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record,” DOH Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said.

Fukino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama’s original birth certificate.

“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures,” Fukino said.

Fukino said that no state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama’s certificate be handled differently from any other.


22 posted on 07/26/2009 8:43:13 PM PDT by WOSG (Why is Obama trying to bankrupt America with $16 trillion in spending over the next 4 years?)
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To: 43north

he could have joked around with you and said “Yeah, Palin took it”


23 posted on 07/26/2009 8:44:14 PM PDT by naturalborn
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Yeah, well, those involved will always advocate ... Me, I have a COLB from Hawaii - that's a CERTIFICATE of Live Birth, otherwise know as a birth certificate. Hardly any resemblance to O's form that was posted online. You wouldn't believe the information on it; date, time and place of my birth, the hospital, the doctor and his signature, and a complete bio of both my parents. For starters, maybe more. I haven't pulled it out of my vault recently to look at it. Most of this is absent on Obama's CERTIFICATION of Live Birth, which is a sketchy unofficial synopsis offered by several states, often stamped as not proof of citizenship, and won't get you a passport. That's what I know (or at least what I think I know).
24 posted on 07/26/2009 8:44:42 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Sprit of '76)
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To: ArmyTeach

Hey thanks for those details ArmyTeach, at least I’m understanding the semantics better!


25 posted on 07/26/2009 8:54:35 PM PDT by brushcop (SFC Sallie, CPL Long, LTHarris, SSG Brown, PVT Simmons KIA OIF lll&V, they died for you, honor them)
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To: wintertime

Big paper in India as far as I know. I think it is the India Times like UK Times and Australian Times.


26 posted on 07/26/2009 8:56:49 PM PDT by Frantzie (Obama DeathCare - Sending Seniors to the Death Camps. Obama = Racist Dope)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Not only does a COLB have a date, a city, and a hospital, it also is signed by the attending physician and includes info about both parents including mothers maiden name.

Who was the doctor who delivered Barry? Without a COLB there is not one shred of evidence to suggest Barry was born in America.
I can locate my original COLB with the raised state seal within 30 seconds. What’s the problem with finding Barry’s?


27 posted on 07/26/2009 8:57:23 PM PDT by o_zarkman44 (Obama is the ultimate LIE!)
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To: nufsed

“How does asking the president to show his birth certificate constitute a conspiracy?”

It don’t. The conspiracy is that people close to Barry are keeping the COLB from public view. Left wing lawlessness.


28 posted on 07/26/2009 9:01:21 PM PDT by o_zarkman44 (Obama is the ultimate LIE!)
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To: ArmyTeach
Please remember, If Barack II is telling us the truth, his father is Barack I, a British-Kenyan citizen, Barack II cannot be president. If Barack II, who claimed to have come across his birth certificate at grandma's house. is lying, he has committed numerous felonies to attain the office and is impeachable - not that this congress would follow the law. If he is a bastard, both his parents were not provably citizens as is required by our constitution. We the people must insist that he prove his compliance.
29 posted on 07/26/2009 9:03:13 PM PDT by Spaulding
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To: WOSG

The state “alleges” to have the original birth certificate. But it don’t say if the original was issued in
America or if Hawaii has a country or origin certificate for a minor immigrunt child accompanied by a parent.


30 posted on 07/26/2009 9:08:40 PM PDT by o_zarkman44 (Obama is the ultimate LIE!)
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To: Spaulding

110% aggrement! The only issue is how far this issue will go.


31 posted on 07/26/2009 9:13:36 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Sprit of '76)
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To: hiho hiho

Looks like we have outsourced our investigative reporting too.


Probably—seems like half the stories break on UK Times or Canada Free Press ;)


32 posted on 07/26/2009 9:14:52 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait till it is free! "~ PJ O'Rourke)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

To the best of my knowledge no Hawaiian official has said anything more than the long form B.C. is valid. None has ever said that it proved that Obama was born in Hawaii.


Hawaii has simply confirmed that there is a valid certificate on file.

This would all go away if O would simply allow Dept of Hawaii to allow interested parties to view the certificate.


33 posted on 07/26/2009 9:17:07 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait till it is free! "~ PJ O'Rourke)
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To: ArmyTeach

eah, well, those involved will always advocate ... Me, I have a COLB from Hawaii - that’s a CERTIFICATE of Live Birth, otherwise know as a birth certificate. Hardly any resemblance to O’s form that was posted online. You wouldn’t believe the information on it; date, time and place of my birth, the hospital, the doctor and his signature, and a complete bio of both my parents. For starters, maybe more. I haven’t pulled it out of my vault recently to look at it. Most of this is absent on Obama’s CERTIFICATION of Live Birth, which is a sketchy unofficial synopsis offered by several states, often stamped as not proof of citizenship, and won’t get you a passport. That’s what I know (or at least what I think I know).


Mine has all that information too.


34 posted on 07/26/2009 9:18:47 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait till it is free! "~ PJ O'Rourke)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
On the one hand, Hawaiian Health Director Chiyome Fukino says:
I, and Dr. Alvin Onaka have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures
World Net Daily
On the other hand, according to an Australian news source, CNN/U.S. President Jon Klein,
... sent an e-mail to staffers of “Lou Dobbs Tonight” just as the program went to air, informing them that CNN researchers had determined that Hawaiian officials discarded all paper documents in 2001. A long-form birth certificate with details about the doctor who delivered Obama no longer exists, they reported.
Australia.To News
... hmmm
35 posted on 07/26/2009 9:20:01 PM PDT by ofwaihhbtn (Science is not defined as that which supports atheistic materialism)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Heheh “cool a heated racial row about the arrest of a black US professor”.

I think the row is more about the feckless comments of a Kenyan president, about the arrest of a black US professor.


36 posted on 07/26/2009 9:22:14 PM PDT by ketelone
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

For Pete’s sake, what kind of adult doesn’t have at least one legal copy of his birth certificate somewhere at close at hand ... I needed one 18 months or so ago, ordered it on line and the state of Hawaii sent it quite promptly.


37 posted on 07/26/2009 9:23:06 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Sprit of '76)
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Yes, that's the article. I do not see that it verifies that President Obama was born in Hawaii.

Nevertheless I am not saying that he was not born in Hawaii. I am saying that he must be an arrogant jerk to not release his long form B.C. and end any doubt. I as a citizen have been required to release mine several times.

All we are saying
is give release a chance.

38 posted on 07/26/2009 9:24:39 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: o_zarkman44

Isn’t It “interesting” that the press (aka PRAVDA) simply took the SHORT CERTIFICATION of Live Birth that was PROVIDED BY o’s campaign and the facts contained in his auto-biography (written when he was what? 42?!) as gospel truth.

Yet, they send 1000 reporters up to Wasilla to investigate Palin. Bet they got a copy of her CERTIFICATE (long) of live birth—anything to try and dig up dirt!

Truly, the second biggest problem we have in this country is a biased press, PRAVDA! The sooner the American people figure this out, the better!!!


39 posted on 07/26/2009 9:26:07 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait till it is free! "~ PJ O'Rourke)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
who have begun to call themselves “birthers”,

We are labeled "birthers" by the likes of Michael Meds and Crissy Matthews who claim we are nuts. It is not a label I placed upon myself for God's sake. If there is nothing to it, for $12 the child messiah illegally sleeping in the WH could have put this to bed over a year ago. The child has something to hide - all his records are sealed or have not been released. By releasing the original cert, he would make fools out of all us "right wing conspiracy nuts" like Phil Berg and Dr. Orly Taitz Esq.

Where was the old nearly bankrupt lame stream media when the RAT party was questioning John McCain's eligibility to run for President because he was born in Panama. Was anyone calling the Dems "brithers" or "left wing conspiracy nuts"? Even the Senate took up McCain's issue and issued a "Sense of the Senate" or whatever they called it, saying that McCain was believed to be eligible to run for President. Because this guy is a mixed race, no one is supposed to question ANYTHING he does or says?????

Show us the original cert and we will all go away - every citizen in this country is asked to prove ID for everyday transactions - not one single state Sect of State asked the child to prove he was eligible? Something is definitely wrong with elections in America.
40 posted on 07/26/2009 9:28:53 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barack Hussein 0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: ArmyTeach
RE: "what kind of adult doesn’t have at least one legal copy of his birth certificate somewhere at close at hand"

I agree.

I wonder what kind of arrogant jerk the President is to not release his long form B.C. and end any doubt. I as a citizen have been required to release mine several times.

All we are saying
is give release a chance.

41 posted on 07/26/2009 9:30:05 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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RE: This would all go away if O would simply allow Dept of Hawaii to allow interested parties to view the certificate.

I agree.

All we are saying
is give release a chance.

I wish Rush would have Mr. Shanklin do a parody on that old '60s Beattles (I think) song. I think it was in some kind of "jam" session

42 posted on 07/26/2009 9:41:13 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael

E: This would all go away if O would simply allow Dept of Hawaii to allow interested parties to view the certificate.

I agree.

All we are saying
is give release a chance.

I wish Rush would have Mr. Shanklin do a parody on that old ‘60s Beattles (I think) song. I think it was in some kind of “jam” session


I think you should submit to Rush or Shanklin. 2 other ideas...1. Bumper sticker
2. Tea Party song


43 posted on 07/26/2009 9:47:34 PM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait till it is free! "~ PJ O'Rourke)
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To: All

Here is an actual Hawaii birth certificate from 1963 (the same era as Obama’s birth), which while redacted includes detailed information documenting a birth, including the name of the birth hospital and the attending physician. Beneath it is the short-form “Certification of Live Birth” offered by Obama as proof of his Hawaiian birth. It is possible to have been born outside of Hawaii and still obtain the latter form, but not the former:

Here is an example of a Hawaiian Long Form
http://www.wnd.com/images/misc/longform.jpg

Here is what Obama has released
http://www.wnd.com/images/misc/shortform.jpg


44 posted on 07/26/2009 9:52:31 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: ArmyTeach

Did you receive a copy of the long form or a “certification of live birth”?

Sorry to ask, but recently news sources have been stating that Hawaii only issues computer copies of the “short form” - basically ever since they went digital in 2001.


45 posted on 07/26/2009 9:57:26 PM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: LorenC; WilliamofCarmichael; All; Spunky; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1035rep; 2ndDivisionVet; 4woodenboats; ...

Excerpt from http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/07/mr-president-you-are-racist-and-fired.html

The mass executions of political prisoners in the infamous Evin prison as evidenced in the photo below (in original post) leaves you unmoved and not ready to confront the bloodthirsty Mullahs who took so much trouble and offered you so much financing and treasure to elect you - AND IN SOME OPINIONS HAVE SOMETHING IN THEIR HANDS WITH WHICH TO BLACKMAIL YOU.

This is yet another reason for you to produce your birth and other requested documents to show you have no vulnerability opening you up to blackmail by enemies of the USA - even if they do not strike you as being your enemies. Or you even consider them your friends anyway.

The only Lincolnian aspect that applies to you is that you can fool all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time BUT not all of the people all of the time. And your time of fooling us appears to be reaching an end.


46 posted on 07/26/2009 10:01:20 PM PDT by FARS (Be happy, be well)
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To: LorenC; WilliamofCarmichael; All; Spunky; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1035rep; 2ndDivisionVet; 4woodenboats; ...

Excerpt from http://noiri.blogspot.com/2009/07/mr-president-you-are-racist-and-fired.html

The mass executions of political prisoners in the infamous Evin prison as evidenced in the photo below (in original post) leaves you unmoved and not ready to confront the bloodthirsty Mullahs who took so much trouble and offered you so much financing and treasure to elect you - AND IN SOME OPINIONS HAVE SOMETHING IN THEIR HANDS WITH WHICH TO BLACKMAIL YOU.

This is yet another reason for you to produce your birth and other requested documents to show you have no vulnerability opening you up to blackmail by enemies of the USA - even if they do not strike you as being your enemies. Or you even consider them your friends anyway.

The only Lincolnian aspect that applies to you is that you can fool all of the people some of the time, some of the people all of the time BUT not all of the people all of the time. And your time of fooling us appears to be reaching an end.


47 posted on 07/26/2009 10:02:18 PM PDT by FARS (Be happy, be well)
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour

Well, we know for sure that he’s not hiding his religion...so it’s something worse.


48 posted on 07/26/2009 10:02:37 PM PDT by scott7278 (Obama, Klaatu barada nikto!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

One would think that at least one nurse, doctor or orderly would claim to have assisted in this birth. One would think there would be a baby book with pictures.


49 posted on 07/26/2009 10:04:55 PM PDT by Notasoccermom
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To: FARS

Thanks for the ping!


50 posted on 07/26/2009 10:10:49 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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