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Time for a change -- to the Constitution (to allow Obama to be Prez)
Oregon Live ^ | 7/27/09 | Melanie Mock

Posted on 07/27/2009 9:20:26 AM PDT by pissant

The drumbeat of discontent from the so-called "birthers" has started again. Nearly six months after President Barack Obama was inaugurated, fringe members of the conservative party are finding public platforms to argue that Obama has no right to the presidency because he does not have a valid U.S. birth certificate.

Never mind the bigoted undertones of these claims, the unspoken assertion that because Obama does not look like "us," he is not American.

Such rumors take on an even more sinister hue when birthers rant that Obama is trying to cheat "us" -- that he really was born in Kenya, and that his mother doctored the birth certificate or, more egregiously, secreted Obama to Hawaii from Kenya only days after his birth, then secured a U.S. birth certificate for her foreign-born son.

Although these claims are, at best, ludicrous, they should also compel us to consider why the Constitution bans foreign-born U.S. citizens from presidential office -- and to amend the Constitution so that questions about birth certificates and origins of birth no longer matter. In doing so, U.S. citizens, like my two sons, might be eligible for the country's highest office.

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Hey Melanie. That's a mighty big task to get congress to pass and 3/4 of the states to ratify.

For $10, you can avoid the whole thing and show us that Obama is absolutely qualified to be POTUS. Gee, wonder why you don't advocate that?

1 posted on 07/27/2009 9:20:26 AM PDT by pissant
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2 posted on 07/27/2009 9:24:17 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Those who go below the surface do so at their peril" - Oscar Wilde)
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To: pissant

Yeah.

Obama shouldn’t have to do things like answer to us or look us in the eye.

The people who think he should are just racists.


3 posted on 07/27/2009 9:24:20 AM PDT by Tzimisce (No thanks. We have enough government already. - The Tick)
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To: pissant
Never mind the bigoted undertones of these claims

Wanting to see a birth certificate to prove qualifications is bigoted? Who knew?

4 posted on 07/27/2009 9:24:25 AM PDT by NMEwithin
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To: pissant

I can tell by her undertone that she is an intolerant bigot.


5 posted on 07/27/2009 9:24:28 AM PDT by rightwingcrazy
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To: pissant

It’s his ideology we dislike Melanie.
If Walter Williams was on the ticket I would vote for him.


6 posted on 07/27/2009 9:25:15 AM PDT by CAD Daddy
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To: pissant
MU< Never mind the bigoted undertones of these claims, the unspoken assertion that because Obama does not look like "us," he is not American.

Nice strawman, Melanie. I'd be raising the same Hell if Granholm or Schwarzenegger tried to become President.

Although these claims are, at best, ludicrous, they should also compel us to consider why the Constitution bans foreign-born U.S. citizens from presidential office

If these claims are "ludicrous," then why the need to amend the Constitution? Is Obama a natural-born citizen or not?

7 posted on 07/27/2009 9:25:32 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("President Obama, your agenda is not new, it's not change, and it's not hope" - Rush Limbaugh 02/28)
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To: pissant
Although these claims are, at best, ludicrous, they should also compel us to consider why the Constitution bans foreign-born U.S. citizens from presidential office

Tells you a lot about this woman that she has no understanding as to why.

8 posted on 07/27/2009 9:26:25 AM PDT by freespirited (Honk if you miss Licorice.)
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To: pissant
Instead, the birthers generally believe that people born overseas do not fully understand the United States. Some suggest that only those born here should lead here because all others are susceptible to having foreign loyalties.

But such arguments, for those raised their entire lives in the United States and for those who claim long-standing U.S. citizenship, have no factual basis.

You are seeing the factual basis in Obama, lady!

9 posted on 07/27/2009 9:26:31 AM PDT by scott7278 (Obama, Klaatu barada nikto!)
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To: pissant

How do morons like this author manage to breath?

Seriously, how does she manage to do it?


10 posted on 07/27/2009 9:27:04 AM PDT by Soothesayer (The United States of America Rest in Peace November 4 2008)
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To: pissant

I think she realizes that despite how hard it would be to pass a Constitutional amendment, it’ll be even harder to prove that Obama was born in the US.

(Never mind the bigoted undertones of these claims, the unspoken assertion that because Obama does not look like “us,” he is not American.)
It didn’t take much time to turn the specific request of a birth certificate into an opportunity for race baiting. I’m just shocked that the writer is a professor of some sort!


11 posted on 07/27/2009 9:27:17 AM PDT by winner3000
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To: pissant

Oregon: A state full of clueless liberal lemmings.


12 posted on 07/27/2009 9:27:17 AM PDT by Sig Sauer P220 (Forget going Galt. Its time to go Braveheart.)
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To: pissant

Hey Melanie, there is nothing bigoted about wanting to see the POTUS birth certificate. The only thing I see bigoted is your obvious trash talk.


13 posted on 07/27/2009 9:27:29 AM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: pissant

Is this Jerry Springer’s daughter?

Another wacked-out LIB who understands nothing and cares less about America or its ideals.


14 posted on 07/27/2009 9:28:56 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: pissant

Not only that, but I don’t believe that such a constitutional amendment would apply to Obama, since it would be ex-post-facto.

Perhaps a Constitutional lawyer could correct me, but I have heard it said about repealing the two-term limitation—that the repeal would not apply to someone who was already in office.

Of course, Obama is a constitutional lawyer himself, whose specialty appears to be bending and breaking the Constitution and the rule of law. So perhaps it doesn’t matter.

On a positive note, there has been an enormous epidemic of leftist responses to the birther issue. Evidently they are very worried and have received instructions from Obama to go all out on these attacks.

Much better than the previous instructions; silence and coverup.


15 posted on 07/27/2009 9:29:12 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: pissant
Very wise Men created our Constitution with the Natural-born clause for a very good reason. Despite all the multi-cultural koombaya post-racial blather, Blood and Soil still really matters!
16 posted on 07/27/2009 9:30:02 AM PDT by joseph20 (...to ourselves and our Posterity...)
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To: CAD Daddy
Walter Williams, Alan Keyes, J. C. Watts and Michael Steele are all individuals that I would support. I'm in favor of an intelligent conservative. Melanin content isn't part of the evaluation.
17 posted on 07/27/2009 9:30:02 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: pissant

I am sure if her children get in trouble with the law she will want to change the law too...

It is this convenient thinking based on personal bias that ish elp to destroy our Republic.


18 posted on 07/27/2009 9:31:13 AM PDT by surfer
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To: winner3000

When the left proposes changes to the constitution that would allow a not “natural born” citizen to become president you know that they know there is a problem.

Reminds me of Apollo 13, “Houston we got a problem.”


19 posted on 07/27/2009 9:31:38 AM PDT by cpdiii (roughneck, oilfield trash and proud of it, geologist, pilot, pharmacist, iconoclast.)
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To: NMEwithin

It’s no longer a race “card”, it’s a race “shield” -

used to deflect any and all criticism or legality questions.

Case in point - Get caught breaking into a house and get asked for ID? Race shields - UP!


20 posted on 07/27/2009 9:32:06 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: pissant

http://www.georgefox.edu/academics/undergrad/departments/writing_lit/FacultyPages/Melanie_Springer.html
1. Okie hippie
2. Combs her hair with a fork
Conclusion:
Guilty!


21 posted on 07/27/2009 9:32:08 AM PDT by tumblindice (`For the first time, I felt proud of my country.' Michelle Obama)
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To: pissant

Why bother to change, if 0bama is telling the truth???


22 posted on 07/27/2009 9:33:31 AM PDT by airborne (Congratulations to the Stanley Cup Champions! PITTSBURGH PENGUINS RULE!!!)
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To: freespirited

In the mind of a leftist,
your (ie, the founders’) reasons would be completely invalid.

Since they are in the past,
obviously they don’t have as much knowledge
as those living now,

so their reasoning cannot be given any weight
in comparison to even this author,
who has more information than the founders
due to the fact she’s living NOW,
and they were living THEN.

Remember, this is just an analysis of how leftists
like the author think, and not my position.


23 posted on 07/27/2009 9:35:40 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: tumblindice
Education
Melanie earned her PhD at Oklahoma State University in 1999 with a concentration in Composition and Rhetoric and Modern American Literature. Her dissertation: Journeys of God and Country: The Narrative of American Mennonite Conscientious Objectors and the Great War. She earned a masters in English Literature from the University of Missouri-St. Louis in 1994 with a concentration in Writing Theory. Her thesis: Evenings at the Bird and Baby: The Inklings as a Model For Contemporary Collaborative Theory.
24 posted on 07/27/2009 9:37:20 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: pissant

Melanie Mock, eh?

Psalm 1:1
Blessed are those
who do not walk in step with the wicked
or stand in the way that sinners take
or sit in the company of mockers


25 posted on 07/27/2009 9:37:20 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: pissant
What I got from 'Melanie Mock' (gimme a break), was something different than what everyone else sees.

I think her point is that many, many Americans are not natural born citizens. And they want to be President someday. So, they see it as an unfair part of the 'law'.

That is why they do not worry, or object to the possibility Obama is not a 'natural born citizen'.

from http://contexts.org/socimages/tag/foreign-policy/

26 posted on 07/27/2009 9:41:45 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Where's this tagline thing everyone keeps talking about?)
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To: pissant

Ironically, a lot of the arugments in favor of her adopted children being eligible to be POTUS do not apply to Obama. Her boys are growing up with a very, typical American experience. Obama did not.

His father, who he is named after, was a Kenyan, socialist (at best) who came here on a student visa and returned home shortly after Obama was born. After this, Obama was adopted by another foreign national, and spent his formative years in a largely anti-American, Islamic nation. He was somehow able to travel to Pakistan in 1982, when it was illegal for Americans to do so.

I remember, during the campaign, Chris Matthews (with a thrill going up his leg, no doubt) glowingly spoke of him as being “a gift to us from the world”. I don’t know about “gift”, but Matthews was right in that Barack Hussein Obama (even if we assume he was indeed born in Hawaii) is in many ways a foreigner, who has come from “the world” as opposed to from an American experience.

While the framers were probably not thinking of those adopted at 3 months old, and raised in America, by American citizen parents, they probably were thinking of individuals like Obama when the wrote the natural born citizen requirment into the Constitution.

That is not to say, Obama should be inelgible if he was born in Hawaii. However, I do wish the American people would have demonstrated some of the wisdom of the founders, and not elected a candidate with so many foreign ties.


27 posted on 07/27/2009 9:44:13 AM PDT by Above My Pay Grade
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To: pissant
Never mind the bigoted undertones of these claims, the unspoken assertion that because Obama does not look like "us," he is not American.

You have no leg to stand on when you just make up bullcrap like that.
28 posted on 07/27/2009 9:45:08 AM PDT by visualops (portraits.artlife.us or visit my freeper page)
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To: TLI

Personal Interests
Melanie’s non-academic interests include her two sons, Samuel and Benjamin, running and watching good shows on television.
And as a liberal `egg-head’ she enjoys sharing her feckless, lefty political positions with the world while phrasing them, as do most “progressive” academics, as categorical statements.


29 posted on 07/27/2009 9:45:28 AM PDT by tumblindice (`For the first time, I felt proud of my country.' Michelle Obama)
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To: pissant
fringe members of the conservative party

Which party is that?

the unspoken assertion that because Obama does not look like "us," he is not American.

It's unspoken because no one has asserted it. And no one has asserted it because it's ridiculous. His looks have absolutely nothing to do with it. But libs can't pass up an opportunity to play the race card. Against BHO's health care plan? Racist. Against tax hikes? Racist. Support upholding the Constitution? Racist. ...etc.

the infamous Joe the Plumber has an easier chance of ascending to the country's highest office than [my Vietnam-born sons] do.

lol...infamous? In Melanie's eyes, conservatives are all rotten, and the well-known ones are "infamous."

my 7-year-old foreign-born sons know more about U.S. history and politics than most of their peers, given what they hear at home from their politically obsessed parents

Poor kids -- brainwashed daily by fanatical, mean-spirited, socialistic parents. One can only imagine the historical revisionism regurgitated in that household.

30 posted on 07/27/2009 9:48:07 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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To: pissant

Ms. Mock’s email addy: mmock@georgefox.edu


31 posted on 07/27/2009 9:52:46 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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What’s ludicrous is that no one from the President’s family, or nayone who knows him can tell the same story as anyone else.

According to friends and family;

He was born in 2 different hospitals in Hawaii and another one in Kenya.

His parents were single, married, or not seeing each other when he was born.

His birth announcement lists an address that no one in his family ever lived in.

Now that’s ludicrous.


32 posted on 07/27/2009 9:57:24 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Cicero
Perhaps a Constitutional lawyer could correct me, but I have heard it said about repealing the two-term limitation—that the repeal would not apply to someone who was already in office.

It should. There are exceptions for people in office at the time of adoption, but otherwise the plain language should allow a second-term president to run again if it were no longer in effect. This of course depends on the language of the rescinding amendment. While it would be hard to push such an amendment through, it would be nearly impossible if it let the current president stay in office because cries of "dictator for life" and "power grab" would be legitimately all over the place.

Likewise. if Obama were forced out and this idiot's amendment passed, Obama would be free to run again at the next election unless the rescinding amendment stated otherwise.

33 posted on 07/27/2009 9:59:13 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Diogenesis

I have to say I’ve never seen the state election entry form. In which case couldn’t any registered voter of the state of AZ sue to see the BC? In that the AZ Secretary of State is acting on behalf of the voters?
And then there’s the question of his mother being legally able to confer citizenship?


34 posted on 07/27/2009 10:03:03 AM PDT by visualops (portraits.artlife.us or visit my freeper page)
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To: pissant

I fart in her general direction.


35 posted on 07/27/2009 10:04:55 AM PDT by boomop1
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To: pissant
For $10

Not even. All Bambi has to do is to waive his privacy rights in regard to birth information that the State of Hawaii and its hospitals have in their files. We'll pay for the certified copies.

ML/NJ

36 posted on 07/27/2009 10:06:16 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: pissant

I seriously doubt that even 10 states could pass through with 66% of the vote this amendment.


37 posted on 07/27/2009 10:09:01 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: NMEwithin
Whoa! What a concept! Next time I have to register a child for school or enroll him/her in summer soccer, or next time I apply for a passport and am required to send a copy of my birth certificate, not certification, I'll call bigotry!
38 posted on 07/27/2009 10:09:27 AM PDT by ArmyTeach (Sprit of '76)
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To: ml/nj

I’ll by the pizza and the beer for the press conference.


39 posted on 07/27/2009 10:10:53 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant
How we gonna do this? You're pretty far away.

ML/NJ

40 posted on 07/27/2009 10:15:23 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

If he had a certificate of live birth rather than a stripped-down version called a certification of live birth, we’d know which hospital he was born in ...


41 posted on 07/27/2009 10:16:00 AM PDT by ArmyTeach (Sprit of '76)
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To: ArmyTeach

It looks like he doesn’t want to release a Kenyan birth certificate for some reason.


42 posted on 07/27/2009 10:19:36 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: pissant

5. “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It is almost impossible to counteract ridicule. Also it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.”


43 posted on 07/27/2009 10:27:16 AM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell)
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To: pissant
Regardless of the actual facts concerning Obama's birth, the "natural born citizen" phrase has a real and inportant purpose. The goal was to prevent someone with likely divided loyalties from becoming President.

In Obama's case this failed. He has obvious divided loyalties, which can be traced back to early childhood, and he has not outgrown them. It's unfortunate that this did not prevent him from becoming President.

44 posted on 07/27/2009 10:29:41 AM PDT by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
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To: pissant
Never mind the bigoted undertones of these claims, the unspoken assertion that because Obama does not look like "us," he is not American.

This is entirely a construct of liberal racists. If liberals think that Obama doesn't look like an American, that is their problem, and one that is not at all relevant to the questions surrounding Obama's actual birthplace.

45 posted on 07/27/2009 10:30:31 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: CAD Daddy

I can think of several individuals who look like him that I’d be proud to vote for, WW included. And they earned their right to be President the hard way, not handed to them on a silver platter.


46 posted on 07/27/2009 10:32:53 AM PDT by ArmyTeach (Sprit of '76)
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To: Cicero
Perhaps a Constitutional lawyer could correct me, but I have heard it said about repealing the two-term limitation—that the repeal would not apply to someone who was already in office.

That depends on how the amendment is written. When the two-term restriction was added, the amendment specifically excluded anyone who was already President at the time of ratification. This probably made it easier to get it ratified.

If the repeal did not include similar language, it would be seen by many as a power grab by the current President, and it would be much more difficult to get 3/4s of the states to ratify it.

47 posted on 07/27/2009 10:41:54 AM PDT by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
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To: pissant
the unspoken assertion that because Obama does not look like "us," he is not American.

God, she's an idiot.

What about the unspoken assertion that Obama is made of anti-matter?

What about the unspoken assertion that Obama has given birth to a giraffe?

Hint to Melanie: if no-one's saying something, it's automatically an 'unspoken assertion'. The fact that you are relying on things that no-one has said means that you are an unhinged fantasist.

48 posted on 07/27/2009 10:49:43 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: tumblindice
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49 posted on 07/27/2009 11:28:25 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: pissant
Never mind the bigoted undertones of these claims,

...but it wasn't bigoted to make the same demands (COMPLIED WITH) of McCain?

50 posted on 07/27/2009 11:44:10 AM PDT by ApplegateRanch (The mob got President Barabbas; America got shafted)
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