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Number of Abortion Centers Nationwide Falling, Pro-Abortion Legal Group Says
Life News ^ | 7/27/09 | Steven Ertelt

Posted on 07/27/2009 1:30:30 PM PDT by wagglebee

Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- A pro-abortion legal group that represents abortion businesses in lawsuits against pro-life laws in almost every state in the nation says the number of abortion centers nationwide is falling. The figures come as Planned Parenthood, the nation's largest abortion business, increases its number of abortion facilities.

The Center for Reproductive Rights released the results of a study it conducted saying the number of abortion businesses and abortion practitioners has decreased by 25 percent since the 1990s.

CRR indicates some states, such as Mississippi and North Dakota, have only one abortion facility while Missouri has three. Alabama has seven while Texas has 40 abortion centers across the state.

The pro-abortion group says the proliferation of state legislation limiting abortions, with laws such as parental involvement, informed consent and waiting periods, has lowered the number of abortion centers.

“The result is not just endangerment and marginalization of abortion providers, but a denial of rights for the one in three American women who will seek an abortion in their lifetimes," CRR president Nancy Northup said.

"The number of abortion providers in the United States fell by 25% just between 1992 and 2005. Without providers, the right to abortion is meaningless," she added.

According to CRR, nationwide 87 percent of counties in the country have no abortion facility and nearly 25 percent of women do not have one within 50 miles of where they live.

Though CRR's report shows fewer abortion centers, Planned Parenthood has increased the number of places that it operates doing abortions.

The leading pro-abortion group has been consolidating its abortion and family planning centers and local affiliates to cut costs in the midst of a troubled economy and the new numbers reflect that.

At the end of 2008, the total number of Planned Parenthood centers dropped from 855 in 2007 to 844 last year. The number of local affiliates of the Planned Parenthood federation decreased from 108 to 99.

While Planned Parenthood cuts its total number of centers providing non-abortion services, the number of abortion facilities is in the rise. It jumped to 295 last year from 287 the year prior.

Though Planned Parenthood is working hard to change its image from an abortion business to a women's health care outlet, the numbers make it clear that more of its resources are going into doing abortions.

The numbers also show that the abortion business is putting more of its weight behind using the dangerous abortion drug that has killed more than a dozen women worldwide and injured more than 1,200 in the United States alone.

While the number of surgical abortion centers it runs dropped from 179 to 174 during the last year, the number of places with the mifepristone abortion drug rose from 108 to 121.



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“The result is not just endangerment and marginalization of abortion providers, but a denial of rights for the one in three American women who will seek an abortion in their lifetimes," CRR president Nancy Northup said.

"The number of abortion providers in the United States fell by 25% just between 1992 and 2005. Without providers, the right to abortion is meaningless," she added.

Lady, NOBODY has the "right" to kill an innocent human being and we will not rest until the number of abortions drops 100%.

1 posted on 07/27/2009 1:30:32 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 07/27/2009 1:31:33 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 07/27/2009 1:32:16 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

“While Planned Parenthood cuts its total number of centers providing non-abortion services, the number of abortion facilities is in the rise.”

I guess they are just re-focusing on their core business principles.


4 posted on 07/27/2009 1:34:12 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Speaking of core business, the leftists can kill just as many via Death Care, if nanzi pelosi can perform sufficient arm twisting (ie: district bribes with our money)


5 posted on 07/27/2009 1:38:08 PM PDT by C210N (A patriot for a Conservative Renaissance!)
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To: wagglebee

No need for an abortion clinic when the UPS Man can deliver Abortion Pills to your door with Next Day Service.


6 posted on 07/27/2009 1:38:49 PM PDT by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at 100 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: wagglebee
“The result is not just endangerment and marginalization of abortion providers, but a denial of rights for the one in three American women who will seek an abortion in their lifetimes," CRR president Nancy Northup said.

. <------ World's smallest violin playing right here, lady.

7 posted on 07/27/2009 1:41:00 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (We bury Democrats face down so that when they scratch, they get closer to home.)
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“The result is not just endangerment and marginalization of abortion providers, but a denial of rights for the one in three American women who will seek an abortion in their lifetimes,"

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Is this figure correct?

8 posted on 07/27/2009 1:41:59 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

It sounds high, but the more I think about it the more correct it sounds. There have been 50 million+ abortions since 1973, I don’t know how many women of child-bearing age there have been in total since then, but 150 million doesn’t seem too far off. Of course this wouldn’t take into account women who have multiple abortions.


9 posted on 07/27/2009 1:47:39 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

It appears that sometime in the future, the only places for abortions will be groups such as planned parenthood who have a positive view of abortion rather than a negative view. Is this a good thing? I don’t see polarization as a good thing.


10 posted on 07/27/2009 1:51:48 PM PDT by freedomconservationist
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To: trisham
Is this figure correct?

I heard that same figure recently in my church. A lady was at the pulpit announcing a recovery program, if you will, for women in the church or community who've had abortions. She said that one in three women in America has experienced abortion (or will). I looked at the two women sitting on either side of me (one was my mother and the other was her decades-long friend) and I thought, "Uh, so which one of you old gals?!" My mom cracked up later when I told her that.

11 posted on 07/27/2009 1:54:16 PM PDT by TXBlair (www.ragingelephants.org)
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To: wagglebee

—According to CRR, nationwide 87 percent of counties in the country have no abortion facility and nearly 25 percent of women do not have one within 50 miles of where they live.—

How many veterans have VA services within 50 miles of where they live?

Who should we serve....heroes..or ho’s?


12 posted on 07/27/2009 1:59:00 PM PDT by mom4melody
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To: freedomconservationist; Coleus; narses; Salvation; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; Lesforlife; trisham; ..
It appears that sometime in the future, the only places for abortions will be groups such as planned parenthood who have a positive view of abortion rather than a negative view. Is this a good thing? I don’t see polarization as a good thing.

I notice that you are new here so I will give you the benefit of the doubt; however, your post raises some red flags.

Free Republic is a PRO-LIFE forum.

We aren't interested in abortions being performed ANYWHERE. ALL abortuaries have a positive view of abortion.

We DO want to polarize this issue and we are not interested in ANY "common ground".

FIFTY MILLION INNOCENT AMERICANS have been MURDERED since Roe v. Wade, I don't give a damn what the pro-abortionists think.

13 posted on 07/27/2009 2:07:22 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: TXBlair; wagglebee

It’s a shocking figure, but as wagglebee said, it may include those women who have had more than one abortion. Still, it is shocking.


14 posted on 07/27/2009 2:09:46 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: mom4melody

With the possible exception of some remote areas of Alaska, I would venture to say that EVERY woman in America is within 20 miles of an OB/Gyn who is more than capable of delivering her baby.


15 posted on 07/27/2009 2:12:13 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

That sign in the corner says it all about the motivation behind pro(had)-aborts.

They know what they did, and they KNOW what they did, and they don’t want ANY reminders that cause their conscience to kick them in the head.

You’ll see them do things like vandalize or flip off pro-life billboards.

I didn’t understand this behavior until I had the realization that the guilt is there, it is real, and it is perpetual. Most pro(had)-aborts spend their entire lives trying to justify their “choice” instead of repenting and putting it at the foot of the cross.


16 posted on 07/27/2009 2:16:50 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: trisham; TXBlair
Rachel's Vineyard is an excellent resource for post-abortive women and they probably have some accurate statistics. Father Frank Pavone is their pastoral director.
17 posted on 07/27/2009 2:18:38 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

“Without providers, the right to abortion is meaningless,” she added.”

That’s the idea


18 posted on 07/27/2009 2:21:23 PM PDT by almcbean
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To: MrB
I didn’t understand this behavior until I had the realization that the guilt is there, it is real, and it is perpetual. Most pro(had)-aborts spend their entire lives trying to justify their “choice” instead of repenting and putting it at the foot of the cross.

Unless a person is a genuine sociopath (and very few are), EVERYONE eventually faces guilt over past actions. When the guilt comes there are two choices: 1. seek forgiveness from God and those harmed or 2. make excuses to rationalize away the guilt.

19 posted on 07/27/2009 2:24:16 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: freedomconservationist

There are over 2,000 Pregnancy Care Centers in the US., most of them now have sonograms. These are the places where women are going and getting the truth and choosing life.

PCC’s, along with pro-life legislation requiring parental notification, 24 hour waiting periods,informed consent, etc. are the reasons that abortions are down and abortion clinics are closing.

Unfortunately, there’s still a long way to go in this battle.


20 posted on 07/27/2009 2:27:21 PM PDT by almcbean
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To: wagglebee
It looks like a wonderful place. I hope that doesn't sound inappropriate, but offering a retreat to women who are grieving because of an abortion seems to me to be a good way to begin the healing process. That Father Pavone is associated is an indication of the good work that they must do.
21 posted on 07/27/2009 2:29:25 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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I wonder how many “counties” have their own MRI machine? I guess every town that does not have it’s own MRI machine is guilty of depriving people of their right to an EASEY ACCESS MRI.


22 posted on 07/27/2009 2:52:43 PM PDT by Lyantana (A Southern View)
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23 posted on 07/27/2009 4:19:17 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

So you’re telling me that you’re ignorant to other points of view?

As for the comment about a pro-life forum, do you represent the forum? And I was offering an observation; I wasn’t saying that I want these groups to take over abortions.

You also don’t realize that some people would do abortions or murder babies at home, rather than not have an abortion, whether it’s legal or not, do you? Given the choice, I would rather have an abortion done in a clinic.

The only problem that I see with the current system is that women are too inclined to get pregnant even if it means an abortion or killing her baby. I don’t see a solution to that. I’m more in favor of making our adoption system easier, so that adoption can be a practical alternative to abortion. Americans should be encouraged to adopt American children, not foreign children.


24 posted on 07/27/2009 7:16:19 PM PDT by freedomconservationist
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To: wagglebee

What did they think would happen when all of who they kill don’t grow up to reproduce?


25 posted on 07/27/2009 7:31:47 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: almcbean

Does a Pregnancy Care Clinic offer abortions? As long as it’s legal, a woman should have the option, although I’m in favor of the waiting period, and putting some social pressure on the woman to keep the baby, such as telling the mother of a pregnant teen.


26 posted on 07/27/2009 8:32:02 PM PDT by freedomconservationist
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To: wagglebee
So true! Look at the list of those that have closed. (And I only have threads that were posted on FR!)

One of Fargo's two abortion clinics closes
Lawrence (KS) abortion clinic closes because of funding woes
Eugene abortion clinic closes; surprising many (Hooray !!!)
Prayer credited for closing of abortion clinic [Eugene, OR]
Planned Parenthood will shut down 3 clinics [Indiana]
Persevering Students Help Close Abortion Clinic [Santa Paula, CA--Thomas Aquinas College]

Abortion Clinic Managers Quit After Being Outed by Operation Rescue [Wichita, Kansas]
One Man's God Squad: Troy Newman's plan to stop abortions in Wichita, Kansas
Baby Saved From Abortion is Baptized [New Orleans]
Thank You Bishop Rhoades: A Personal Account of An Abortion Protest With A Catholic Bishop -- still praying -- Harrisburg, PA
Judges rule civil suits against Planned Parenthood can proceed [Los Angeles, CA]

STOPP Planned Parenthood
CA: Abortion opponents hope to limit access for California girls (Prop 73)
Jill Stanek's Accurate Summary of Cincinnati Abortion Center Closing: 'Debi Does Ohio"
Clinic is caught in the fog of abortion war (Abortion Clinic Closes) [Springfield, Missouri]
PBS program looks at Mississippi's last abortion clinic

Former abortion clinic ‘resurrected’ as Catholic chapel [Buffalo, NY]
Health Department suspends license of Montgomery abortion clinic [Alabama]
Abortion center ordered to close: East Side clinic cited with violations [Cleveland, Ohio]
Yet another abortionist can't stand heat, quits [Daytona Beach, Forida]
Controversial Chicago Abortion clinic closing

Planned Parenthood closes clinic after clinic
Planned Parenthood to close Longview clinic (WA)
State shuts abortion clinic over health risks [Englewood, New Jersey]
Atlantic City abortion clinic shut for violations [New Jersey]
Atlantic City Abortion Center Closes Down for Good After Health Violations

Late-Term Abortion Facility in Dallas, [TX] To Close - Eighth Closure Since Bishop Began Prayer at Clinics
New York Abortion Clinic Closes Today; Was site of 40 Days for Life Vigil [200 East Eckerson Road in New City, N.Y}
Planned Parenthood Abortion Center [Temporarily] Closes Instead of Following New Law [Sioux Falls, SD]
[South Dakota] Planned Parenthood Abortion Center Closes Instead of Following New Law [Sioux Falls]
Abortion Provider Closes Doors Instead of Obeying Laws, Old Media Silent [Sioux Falls, SD]

Planned Parenthood Lays Off SD Director
Planned Parenthood Lays Off Staff Over Economy, South Dakota Director Fired
Planned Parenthood Out of Texas Panhandle: STOPP Plan Ousts Abortion Chain from Amarillo
Abortion facility to close following 40 Days for Life campaign [Orange Co. CA]
"We have a problem with financing Planned Parenthood” (Orange County supervisor)

“They’re nothing more than a baby-killing organization” ( No funding to Planned Parenthood ) [Orange and San Bernadino Counties, CA]
Monroe, Washington Planned Parenthood Center Closes Over Tough Economy
Family of Abortion Practitioner George Tiller Will Close Business [Whichita, KA]
Tiller Clinic To Close Permanently [Wichita, KA]
Tiller's Abortion Facility to Close Forever [Wichita, KA]

Slain Kansas abortion provider's clinic to close [Wichita, KA]
Clinic of Murdered Kansas Abortion Doctor Will Be 'Permanently Closed' [Wichita, KA]
Planned Parenthood Shuts Doors on 7 Clinics [All in El Paso, TX]
El Paso loses 7 abortion centers

27 posted on 07/27/2009 8:42:40 PM PDT by Salvation (With God all things are possible.)
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To: freedomconservationist

I’m fairly certain that we all realize that there were and are a very small number of women who kill their unborn babies themselves. Personally, I have no sympathy for any woman who would kill her own baby.

Arguing that abortion is always going to happen, and therefore, it should happen legally in a “safe” clinic, is like arguing that since murder of born people is going to happen anyway, we might as well make it legal and “safe” for the murderers. It’s a ridiculous argument.

We all know that the major reason most women who have abortions get pregnant in the first place is that they know abortion is easily available. If it weren’t, the vast majority of those women would use some sort of contraceptive and avoid getting pregnant to begin with.


28 posted on 07/27/2009 8:54:10 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom

Good points.


29 posted on 07/28/2009 12:23:50 AM PDT by freedomconservationist
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To: freedomconservationist; Coleus; narses; Salvation; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; Lesforlife; trisham; ..
So you’re telling me that you’re ignorant to other points of view?

No, I'm not at all ignorant of the pro-death position, what I am is ENTIRELY UNSYMPATHETIC. I gave you the benefit of the doubt yesterday, but I am now certain that you are a troll.

As for the comment about a pro-life forum, do you represent the forum?

No, but THIS does:
Statement by the founder of Free Republic

You see, Free Republic is PRIVATE PROPERTY, not a democracy or debating society.

And I was offering an observation; I wasn’t saying that I want these groups to take over abortions.

This is where you reveal yourself as a troll, we don't want abortion AT ALL.

You also don’t realize that some people would do abortions or murder babies at home, rather than not have an abortion, whether it’s legal or not, do you? Given the choice, I would rather have an abortion done in a clinic.

Right, coat hangers, back alleys, etc. We've heard it all before. Do you work for NARAL?

The only problem that I see with the current system is that women are too inclined to get pregnant even if it means an abortion or killing her baby.

No troll, the problem with the current system is that a baby is murdered EVERY 24 SECONDS.

I don’t see a solution to that.

Make it ILLEGAL.

30 posted on 07/28/2009 1:31:56 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: freedomconservationist; almcbean; Coleus; narses; Salvation; BykrBayb; floriduh voter; ...
Does a Pregnancy Care Clinic offer abortions? As long as it’s legal, a woman should have the option,

So troll, you think that everyplace that caters to pregnant women should offer abortions?

31 posted on 07/28/2009 1:34:29 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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So you’re telling me that you’re ignorant to other points of view?

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What an odd thing to say. If I were to say I am against murder, would you say that I was "ignorant to other points of view"? And yet, abortion is murder.

32 posted on 07/28/2009 1:41:21 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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What an odd thing to say. If I were to say I am against murder, would you say that I was "ignorant to other points of view"? And yet, abortion is murder.

It's textbook moral relativism.

Does this work?:
"I'm 'personally opposed' to murder, rape, arson, incest and armed robbery, but I wouldn't impose my values on others who want to commit murder, rape, arson, incest and armed robbery."

33 posted on 07/28/2009 1:55:24 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: mom4melody
How many veterans have VA services within 50 miles of where they live? Who should we serve....heroes..or ho’s?

Excellent point! The veterans are less able to travel, as a group, and their needs can be ongoing rather than episodic, like the young abortion-seeker.

34 posted on 07/28/2009 2:13:00 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Media: quit making things up." --Sarah Palin)
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To: freedomconservationist
Given the choice, I would rather have an abortion done in a clinic.

Why would you even consider having the careless kind of sex that might lead to an unplanned pregnancy that you or the father wouldn't support? Sex is not meant to be a consumer option. It is a sacred power to be revered and placed within a protective marriage.

35 posted on 07/28/2009 2:19:05 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Media: quit making things up." --Sarah Palin)
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To: Albion Wilde

The demand for abortion is purely due to the availability.


36 posted on 07/28/2009 2:28:31 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
The demand for abortion is purely due to the availability.

I cannot truthfully say that is so. From the dawn of time, even in primitive cultures, some individuals sought out abortifacients and methods. But never in history have we had such widespread availability, with horrendous results.

I am probably older than you; I remember when it was illegal, and women sought out illegal abortions. I was at the elegant dining table of a prominent doctor one evening when he got a furtive phone call; his son (my date) explained that a family friend was looking for a referral to someone who would perform an abortion. Although this doctor would not have performed one, it did not seem to them an unusual phone call.

I wish abortion had never been legalized from the SCOTUS -- other than slavery, it has been the worst public policy in history; but I cannot see how it can be eliminated entirely, on a practical basis, now that 40 years of Marxist indoctrination have changed the expectations in a culture from Christian mores to a secular atheist free-for-all. But I also pray that my unbelief will be healed.

I would like to see Roe overturned, and return the matter to the states, where some states will restrict it severely or ban it outright. The job is still on us grownups to convince the younger generations of our own families and faith communities to plan their lives prudently and not fall for the temptations of casual sex. That is the smoking gun at the root of the problem.

37 posted on 07/28/2009 2:44:54 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Media: quit making things up." --Sarah Palin)
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To: Albion Wilde

I agree and my choice of words is somewhat at fault.

Yes, there have always been abortions. However, NOTHING will convince me that prior to Roe v. Wade there were 3500+ women EACH DAY who would have had abortions had they been able to.

The availability of abortion eliminated, in the minds of many women, the need to actually be responsible.


38 posted on 07/28/2009 2:49:13 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; freedomconservationist
It's textbook moral relativism. Does this work?: "I'm 'personally opposed' to murder, rape, arson, incest and armed robbery, but I wouldn't impose my values on others who want to commit murder, rape, arson, incest and armed robbery."

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Apparently, freedomconservationist sees any opposition to his viewpoint as evidence of ignorance.

I guess we're just not progressive enough for you, freedomconservationist.

39 posted on 07/28/2009 3:11:12 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Albion Wilde
Like all crime, abortion may never be completely eliminated, but that does not mean that it should be legal to murder another human being, whether in our out of the womb.
40 posted on 07/28/2009 3:13:19 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Albion Wilde
Like all crime, abortion may never be completely eliminated, but that does not mean that it should be legal to murder another human being, whether in our out of the womb.
41 posted on 07/28/2009 3:13:28 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Albion Wilde
Like all crime, abortion may never be completely eliminated, but that does not mean that it should be legal to murder another human being, whether in our out of the womb.
42 posted on 07/28/2009 3:13:31 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: All

Oh, my goodness. My apologies for the duplicate posts.


43 posted on 07/28/2009 3:15:37 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham; freedomconservationist
Apparently, freedomconservationist sees any opposition to his viewpoint as evidence of ignorance.

Probably part of Zero's hope 'n change, common ground crowd.

It's worth noting that the word "conservationist" is almost synonymous with environmentalist, but has NOTHING to do with conservatism.

44 posted on 07/28/2009 4:06:33 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee
Yes, there have always been abortions. However, NOTHING will convince me that prior to Roe v. Wade there were 3500+ women EACH DAY who would have had abortions had they been able to. The availability of abortion eliminated, in the minds of many women, the need to actually be responsible.

100% bingo -- the freely available option has created a holocaust where once there was only a trickle. But I would add, legal abortion/birth control also eliminated accountability for men -- it's all the woman's problem. If she gets pregnant, cads urge abortion or shirk child support and must be sued. Rarely does casual sex result in a marriage or a stable home for a child.

It was a long, slippery slope from the early 60s, when the SCOTUS affirmed in Griswold v. Connecticut that the family is the basic unit of society, to where we are today. The Court's very next reproduction-related decision was to extend the right to distribute birth control to the unmarried as well as married people wishing to control the size of their family. That decision greased the skids for Roe, which would immediately follow. Those two SCOTUS decisions, plus the California Lee Marvin/Michelle Triola "palimony" case in 1977 were the end of marriage as a social institution. From then on, it has been, as far as our SCOTUS jurisprudence is concerned, an outmoded folk tradition.

45 posted on 07/28/2009 4:50:29 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Media: quit making things up." --Sarah Palin)
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To: Albion Wilde

Excellent post!


46 posted on 07/28/2009 4:52:27 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: trisham
Like all crime, abortion may never be completely eliminated, but that does not mean that it should be legal to murder another human being, whether in our out of the womb.

The life of the mother during the actual birth process is the only possible reason, and then it should be the choice of the mother and her husband. If they already have a bunch of children at home and the baby has a serious malady and the mother may die giving birth unless a choice is made, that is the only thing I can think of. But no matter what we say legally, it is hearts and minds that matter -- the culture must be reclaimed. Politicians, anti-life individuals and medical workers will always find a way to elasticize any exemption.

There was a recent thread about an adoption case in which the state divulged the name of the mother to a woman who had been given away as an infant. The mother had received assurance that the case was sealed forever, because the child was the product of rape. Distraught woman sues, alleging N.J. helped child of rape find her

Predictably, many adopted FReepers called the mother a heartless bitch for not wanting to welcome the child into her subsequently constructed family, and the rejected child harassed the mother and her daughter, causing the woman to have to relive the entire trauma of the rape and unwanted pregnancy.

One of the male posters said from that discussion that he never thought he would see a use for abortion; but that this aggressive, fantasy-based sentimentality was convincing him that it might be acceptable in case of rape. But I believe that is because the culture has become so distorted that young people today think about a child resulting from an unwanted sexual encounter, a violent one at that, as no big deal. The article didn't say whether mixed-race was involved; but if it had been back in the day, it would also have been a bigger deal than now. No matter what, this mother gave the child life instead of killing it, and now a careless bureaucrat casually ripped her past open.

One of the other moaners was upset because the adopted-out woman found out she was the product of rape through this process -- they felt the mother should have protected her from that, when clearly, the adoption authority of the state was the malfeaser. The mother is suing the NJ Department of Children and Families.

This is the 24/7 wired world we are now living in, where everyone goes on Maury Povich to display their bad behavior to the world; where YouTube will memorialize the very worst things about people in perpetuity. ( ( ( ( shaking head ) ) ) The younger generation thinks everything -- everything -- is a right!! -- yet they take so little responsibility compared to our parents and grandparents.

47 posted on 07/28/2009 5:21:08 PM PDT by Albion Wilde ("Media: quit making things up." --Sarah Palin)
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To: Albion Wilde

Who said anything about me having sex?


48 posted on 07/28/2009 6:45:13 PM PDT by freedomconservationist
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To: wagglebee

It was a question that I wanted answered. So you’re resorting to personal attack by calling me names?


49 posted on 07/28/2009 6:46:37 PM PDT by freedomconservationist
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To: wagglebee

That is a good way of looking at it. Yes, moral relativism is a very dangerous thing. We should steer clear of whenever possible.

However, the Constitution does not enumerate rights for individuals relative to other individuals, or to the Government of the United States, for that matter. It only enumerates rights relative to Due Process of the states. Think about that.

As for abortion as murder, it depends at what point the baby is a “person”. That was effectively decided by the courts with Roe v. Wade in the lack of legislation. The easiest way I can see to stop this is to legislate another definition of a “person” that includes babies in the womb earlier than 24 weeks. If that legislation states that conception is the formation of a person, then we’ll have to reconsider the use of some contraceptives as well.

As far as I’m concerned, an abortion later than 24 weeks may indeed be murder in the eyes of Government. See it however you wish, but this is a result of our government’s lack of respect for religions, and there is good reason for it.


50 posted on 07/28/2009 7:15:31 PM PDT by freedomconservationist
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