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CNN wrong once again birth record not destroyed
wnd.com ^ | 7/27/2009 | rxsid

Posted on 07/27/2009 5:57:54 PM PDT by rxsid

CNN wrong once again – birth record not destroyed
Hawaii contradicts network boss' claim that Obama certificate no longer exists

Directly contradicting CNN chief Jon Klein – who ordered host Lou Dobbs to quit discussing President Obama's birth certificate – the Hawaii Department of Health affirmed that no paper birth certificates were destroyed when the department moved to electronic record-keeping.

"I am not aware of any birth certificate records that have been destroyed by the department," Janice Okubo, public information officer for the Hawaii DOH, told WND. "When the department went electronic in 2001, vital records, whether in paper form or any other form, [were] maintained. We don't destroy records."

Okubo affirmed that beginning in 2001, all vital records, including birth records, moved to electronic formats.

"Any records that we had in paper or any other form before 2001 are still in file within the department," she insisted. "We have not destroyed any vital statistics records that we have."

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=105233

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; eligibility; hawaii; obama; obroma; records
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1 posted on 07/27/2009 5:57:55 PM PDT by rxsid
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To: hoosiermama; Red Steel; null and void; LucyT; BP2; STARWISE; Amityschild; Calpernia; ...

Ping.


2 posted on 07/27/2009 5:58:25 PM PDT by rxsid
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To: rxsid

Wow this is starting to go out of control for the Obamunists.


3 posted on 07/27/2009 5:59:09 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: rxsid

The problem is they don;t have a long form for him because he wasn’t born on the Island.


4 posted on 07/27/2009 5:59:10 PM PDT by Typical_Whitey (Imagine if Bush had said the police acted stupidly when a black cop arrests a mouthy KKK member.)
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To: rxsid

Thanks for the Ping. The MSM can’t even get their lies straight.


5 posted on 07/27/2009 6:01:16 PM PDT by luv2ndamend (May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. — Samue)
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To: Typical_Whitey

I think they do but it will indicate he was not born in a Hospital...but supposedly born in Hawaii.

I wish WND would have clarified about whether a person can still get a long form...because apparently she claimed they no longer have long forms.

http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html

This makes no sense to me. There are all kinds of family law issues that could come up.


6 posted on 07/27/2009 6:04:29 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: rxsid

I wasn’t too interested in this until lately, now that the Obots have begun to attempt to intimidate those who want to report on it. Just tonight, we hear that Southern Poverty Law Center is calling, Alinsky-like, for Lou Dobbs to be fired for reporting on it. A little like what they have tried to do to Sarah Palin.


7 posted on 07/27/2009 6:04:34 PM PDT by ducdriver (judica me, Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta. (Ps. 42))
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To: luv2ndamend
"Thanks for the Ping. The MSM can’t even get their lies straight."

Sounds a lot like the guy they're trying to protect as well doesn't it?

8 posted on 07/27/2009 6:04:43 PM PDT by rxsid
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To: rxsid

I love watching them self destruct.


9 posted on 07/27/2009 6:05:31 PM PDT by ViLaLuz (2 Chronicles 7:14)
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To: ducdriver

Yup. To heck with the truth. Smear and destroy, that’s their game plan.


10 posted on 07/27/2009 6:06:10 PM PDT by rxsid
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To: ducdriver
Southern Poverty Law Center is calling, Alinsky-like, for Lou Dobbs to be fired for reporting on it.

I am not a Birther, but when I read something like that, it's more convincing than all the "facts" on the other side.

11 posted on 07/27/2009 6:06:32 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: rxsid

This is getting funnier every day! LMAO!

Check out what
Orielly is saying.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2302402/posts


13 posted on 07/27/2009 6:07:41 PM PDT by luv2ndamend (May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. — Samue)
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To: rxsid
Aha!I knew something was up. It sure took Hawaii a long week to counter what, for me and others, was conflicting statements. It had said last summer that the long form BC had been shown to a limited amount of media. The biased Factcheck.org claimed they had seen, measured, smelled, whatever, the original document. Then Lou Dobbs show states that they were just told all the original paper records were destroyed when the system went electronic seven years ago. Now, belatedly, Hawaii now reclaims possession of the original paper documents.

It's all such a joke.

14 posted on 07/27/2009 6:07:53 PM PDT by torchthemummy ("...end up eating a steady diet of government cheese...and living in a van down by the river!" M.F.)
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To: ducdriver

When kooks like the SPLC are calling for the firing of a TV/radio host, it screams censorship.


15 posted on 07/27/2009 6:09:00 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (Stop meddling in the affairs of countries and individuals Obama!)
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To: luv2ndamend

Yes, the crack research staff at CNN that said they investigated the matter was...wrong. Wow. /s


16 posted on 07/27/2009 6:09:05 PM PDT by joejm65
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To: ducdriver

Their tactics worked with Palin. They drew blood. They forced her to make the proper decision in her case — to resign so as to allow the Governorship to survive their legal terrorism.

It’s up to a state, each state, to pass appropriate laws to prevent such harassment of officials. This was clearly harassment.


17 posted on 07/27/2009 6:09:50 PM PDT by bvw
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To: rxsid

So he doesn’t have one now because he never had one. Makes the most sense.


18 posted on 07/27/2009 6:10:38 PM PDT by allmost
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To: Darkwolf377

The horse’s ass from the Southern Poverty center was crying racism against Dobbs.


19 posted on 07/27/2009 6:13:33 PM PDT by NoobRep
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To: Star Traveler

Do you get it yet?


20 posted on 07/27/2009 6:14:40 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: rxsid; Fred Nerks; null and void; stockpirate; george76; PhilDragoo; Candor7; BP2; MeekOneGOP; ...
Thanks, rsxid.

CNN wrong once again – birth record not destroyed

Hawaii contradicts network boss' claim that Obama certificate no longer exists

21 posted on 07/27/2009 6:17:09 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: MHGinTN

That is *exactly* what I said would happen — if — the State of Hawaii did not do that.

I was discussing this very thing with some other FReepers and was commenting on what Lou Dobbs said. I said this is what has been reported. And I said that if this is *wrong* — there will be a *contradictory news report* that will come out which will say something that the State of Hawaii denies this...

And that was just a couple of days ago I said that. So... right here... we have that *very same thing* that I said would happen (i.e., a contradictory news report from someone in the State of Hawaii) which would be reported.

It happened a mere two days (maybe three) after I said this... LOL...


22 posted on 07/27/2009 6:19:39 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: rxsid

One way or another, there are people who know the truth about obama.


23 posted on 07/27/2009 6:21:53 PM PDT by GBA
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To: Star Traveler

You assertion was that ‘the state destroyed’ ... http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2301681/posts?page=34#34


24 posted on 07/27/2009 6:24:10 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: NoobRep
The horse’s ass from the Southern Poverty center was crying racism against Dobbs.

Why am I not surprised?

25 posted on 07/27/2009 6:25:13 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: rxsid
To heck with the truth. Smear and destroy, that’s their game plan.

It's amazing how well that works on FR.

26 posted on 07/27/2009 6:27:21 PM PDT by Krodg
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To: MHGinTN

I had already said that if the news report was false that this is exactly what they would do... and they did exactly what I said they would do...

And until they did, I was reporting exactly what was reported in the news and that was straight from the news report itself...

So, it worked out exactly like I said it would — as I was explaining to another FReeper that this is how the “news” works...

Something gets reported, if it is false, then other reporters contact sources and ask questions. If they find the error in the original report, they put out another news story and it is *denied* and the source is given.

This is precisely how the news is supposed to work...


27 posted on 07/27/2009 6:28:01 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Krodg

someone’s been destroyed here?


28 posted on 07/27/2009 6:28:13 PM PDT by rxsid
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To: rxsid

It was obvious...to me that CNN was in BS mode.

They couldn’t even get Okubo to go along.


29 posted on 07/27/2009 6:28:24 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

totally. they got tangled in Barry’s web of deceit and obfuscation.


30 posted on 07/27/2009 6:31:19 PM PDT by rxsid
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To: rxsid
NPR's On Point program today had a "birthers" segment, and the host Tom Ashbrook made the point over and over that there was no "paper" birth certificate because the State of Hawaii destroyed them after moving to an all digital record system in 2001.

So if the records weren't destroyed, then it should be easy for Zero to release the record that shows the attending physican and the hospital, rather than just a copy that says 'born in Hawaii.'

31 posted on 07/27/2009 6:31:40 PM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Yo-Yo
"NPR's On Point program today had a "birthers" segment, and the host Tom Ashbrook made the point over and over that there was no "paper" birth certificate because the State of Hawaii destroyed them after moving to an all digital record system in 2001."

Yeah, that statement is as credible as the scanned digital short form (alleged) colb that's posted on the "internet" as the end all be all proof.

32 posted on 07/27/2009 6:34:03 PM PDT by rxsid
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Here is where I refer to how the “news” works and how the State of Hawaii would come out with a denial of such a report if it turns out to be false...


A direct statement of fact like that would be immediately repudiated by a state, if the state never did such a thing. You would have FReepers all over the place documenting such false statements and the other news sources would be *hammering* Dobbs, because they’re already looking for something to hammer him on, since he’s been reporting on the birth certificate issue. Dobbs, himself, even makes note of the other “liberals” who are hammering on him. They would *love* to get Dobbs on a untrue statement, because of what he’s reporting on Obama’s birth certificate.

So, that’s the beauty of our system (both with news sources and with Free Republic) is that it would be repudiated in such short order that everyone’s head would be spinning around here... LOL...

As I said, I would love to hear such a repudiation of those facts given in the news report...


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2299721/posts?page=314#314

And there you have it... :-)


33 posted on 07/27/2009 6:37:02 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler
So, it worked out exactly like I said it would — as I was explaining to another FReeper that this is how the “news” works...

Do you think CNN with issue an extraction?

34 posted on 07/27/2009 6:37:47 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Red Steel

I think Lou Dobbs will get killed by those liberals that he said was after him.... LOL...


35 posted on 07/27/2009 6:39:20 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: rxsid

In tomorrows MSM headlines:

Obama removes star from all flags denoting that Hawaii is no longer an American State.

Folks we are watching an approaching Obama tsunami, its at sea but is approaching land very soon, he has the illegitimate office of POTUS at his disposal and HE WILL strike back.

This man will not step down, he will bring America to its knees first, this birther issue has its own momentum right now.

We should very much consider the multi pronged attack, a frontal assault so far has created a very stout defensive countermeasure, to effectively breach the defense we must absolutely not rely upon this course of action.

We now look more upon his other classes of citizenship, or as I may eloquently phrase him as being a “tri-citizen” of Kenyan, Indonesian and American.

He has failed to qualify, our actions now are to enforce the law and the penalty of that action as deemed by our forefathers and our United States Constitution.


36 posted on 07/27/2009 6:44:18 PM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: luv2ndamend
Check out what Orielly is saying. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2302402/posts

BO is so full of himself. They probably sent him a copy of *Obama's COLB that has been proven to be worthless. Oreilly acts so arrogant and on most things he has no clue. Let's just say that he acts stupidly.

37 posted on 07/27/2009 6:44:44 PM PDT by Harley (Life is Tough, But It's a Lot Tougher When You're a Liberal.)
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To: Red Steel

Let me tell you how this is going to “play” with the liberal and MSM, in regards to Lou Dobbs. They’re going to say that Lou Dobbs was “playing into the idiocy” of the whacko right-wing conspiracists, by even airing this kind of report in the first place. And now we see that this is how such idiocy gets started and spreads. Lou Dobbs should have left such whacko ideas of the birth certificate out of real news and this is an example of why....

More or less, and in perhaps different words, this is what you’re going to get from the liberal and MSM about Lou Dobbs and him reporting on the birth certificate issue — because *that* is what he was trying to do. That mention of the discarding of the paper by the State of Hawaii was a “side issue” to his main interview of the two guests.

Now all that people are going to take away from this Lou Dobbs story (in the general public) is that Lou Dobbs was nuts for even giving this conservative any “air time” for being able to “mention” the birth certificate issue in the first place...

REMEMBER ... Lou Dobbs was *really* trying to report on the birth certificate issue.. now look where that got him...


38 posted on 07/27/2009 6:45:48 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: rxsid
Hawaii is the traveling hub for the Pacific rim. The US military has had a presence there for more than 100 years and will continue as long as there is a US.

People pass through the islands, have babies and stay for a while -- the "Certification of Live Birth" only shows "City, Town or Location of Birth":


SO for the Hawaiian Homelands (DHHL) program ... how will the state KNOW who is of native Hawaiian blood from those who are Haole (Hawaiian for "outsiders") 100 years in the FUTURE??

The state of Hawaii won't turn to the incomplete "Certification of Live Birth" (what Obama's shown the world) to determine "blood quantum" -- they will do an internal background check, working with the Hawaii Vital Statistics office. They'll want to see the ORIGINAL birth certificates, registered testamentary, hospital records, etc, to CONFIRM the person's lineage.

If you turn in a "Certification of Live Birth", rest assured -- they're NOT going to accept it on face value -- they will verify it internally against the ORIGINAL birth certificate(s) that the state of Hawaii has archived!

Loaa Ka Aina Hoopulapula - DHHL requires the Certificate, p 3

39 posted on 07/27/2009 6:46:29 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Star Traveler
REMEMBER ... Lou Dobbs was *really* trying to report on the birth certificate issue.. now look where that got him...

Dobbs can still tell the crazy libs to go to you know where.

40 posted on 07/27/2009 6:48:37 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: BP2

thanx


41 posted on 07/27/2009 6:49:16 PM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, passport and school records.)
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To: Red Steel

I have to respect Lou Dobbs for trying to report this story. I mean, he’s in the mainline news and that got a lot of exposure. And that other guy he had on the program couldn’t stop yelling all the time. Lou Dobbs was trying to calm him down.

And to tell you the truth, I’m wondering about the staff at Lou Dobbs, because he got this information from his staff. I wonder if someone there wasn’t “setting up” the story, so that it would have this kind of end — and thereafter *kill it* from any “serious consideration”. That’s because Lou Dobbs was *not* airing this like it was a stupid story. He was serious.

Now..., I’m betting that he’s not going to want to be “set up” again... and so he’ll be reluctant from now on...

Just wondering in my head about that...


42 posted on 07/27/2009 6:52:47 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: rxsid

LOL! The more I read on this the more I am convinced this guy was not born here. It’s so obvious to any one with half a brain of common sense. I love how the media keeps trying to say this is a dead issue.

IMHO I believe that the conservatives are afraid of being labeled racist, etc... For pursuing this issue... In other words they are putting their careers ahead of their beliefs.

How can anyone objectively look at the facts and not wonder why Obama has not simply signed a release form to end this is beyond my understanding. Look at how they are treating Dobbs. I promise you people like Ann, Bill, and so forth took note, and are choosing the easy way. It’s the same reason why Hillary did not pursue it. She was afraid she would be labeled racist. Compound that with the compliant media.


43 posted on 07/27/2009 6:53:11 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: rxsid
BINGO

I kept wondering why Ofrauda wouldn't just have a really good fake appear. The answer is that there may be too much evidence to cover up. Paper copies, electronic copies, backups of electronic copies.

This is why their only recourse is to ridicule the messengers.

$10 release of the real damaging records apparently must never be allowed. I am disgusted.

44 posted on 07/27/2009 6:56:50 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Join the Constitution Party)
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To: MHGinTN
Do you get it yet?

LOL....I was tempted to do that but I'm still dizzy from last time I went around in circles with ST.

You're a braver soul than I

45 posted on 07/27/2009 6:58:46 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Move over NetZero - Obama's in the house!)
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To: NoobRep

When they repeated use the term racism like this, then the word has lost all meaning. At some point, good people, regardless of race, will stand up and call evil tyranny what it is. Evil Tyranny.


46 posted on 07/27/2009 7:02:36 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Join the Constitution Party)
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To: Star Traveler
"Now all that people are going to take away from this Lou Dobbs story (in the general public) is that Lou Dobbs was nuts for even giving this conservative any “air time” for being able to “mention” the birth certificate issue in the first place"

You've jumped over a cliff!

There are at this point a much greater number of people that believe to a certainty that Bummer is illegit that harbor the similar conviction that he is legit.

This is a big winner for Dobbs, much like his last confrontation with CNN (in which he humiliated them when they had to beg for him to return)

47 posted on 07/27/2009 7:03:46 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: rxsid
Twisted story

48 posted on 07/27/2009 7:05:08 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: editor-surveyor

Heck! There were FReepers, too, who were hammering on Dobbs... LOL... I was there...

So... you get conservatives hammering on you (if you’re Dobbs) and you get liberals hammering on you (and he reported that very thing in his segment). So, why get it from both sides?


49 posted on 07/27/2009 7:06:16 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: editor-surveyor

You said — This is a big winner for Dobbs

The very next post after yours says... “Twisted story”

LOL...


50 posted on 07/27/2009 7:08:36 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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