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Environmentalists file in Va. to block power line
Yahoo via a pee ^ | 7 Jul 09

Posted on 07/28/2009 3:34:14 AM PDT by shove_it

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) -- The Sierra Club has joined other environmental groups in intervening in Virginia proceedings to try to block a high-voltage multistate transmission line.

The Sierra Club, represented by Earthjustice, said it filed papers Monday with Virginia's State Corporation Commission.

SCC spokesman Ken Schrad says Monday was the deadline for intervening in the $1.9 billion line proposed by Pennsylvania's Allegheny Energy Co. and Ohio's American Electric Power Co.

The Piedmont Environmental Council and the National Wildlife Federation also have filed notices of participation.

The 765-kilovolt Potomac-Appalachian Transmission Highline, or PATH, would run across parts of northern Virginia and eastern and southern West Virginia, ending at a substation near Kemptown, Md.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Maryland; US: Virginia; US: West Virginia
KEYWORDS: electricity; energy; greens; md; sierraclub; va; wva
Once again the Sierra Club is in under the wire.
1 posted on 07/28/2009 3:34:14 AM PDT by shove_it
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To: shove_it

If the Sierra Club is opposed to it then it must, by definition, be good for the USA.


2 posted on 07/28/2009 3:37:08 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: shove_it

You see, they aren’t pro-environment, they are anti-progress.


3 posted on 07/28/2009 4:01:31 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (It's soft tyranny, folks. It's smiley-faced fascism.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

I just simply cannot understand these morons. Do they really want us to revert back to the Stone Age? It does seem so.


4 posted on 07/28/2009 4:05:42 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: shove_it
Find these protester's homes... disconnect the power poles feeding those homes. Do not let them ever reconnect.

LLS

5 posted on 07/28/2009 4:15:08 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: shove_it

This is going to be even more of an issue when they start building the transmission lines for the windfarms that are proposed. Most will be a long way from their customers requiring long transmission distances.


6 posted on 07/28/2009 4:18:40 AM PDT by saganite (What would Sully do?)
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To: raybbr
What they want is to set us back just far enough so that we are not “above” third-world countries. Their belief is essentially communist/Marxist, that those who prosper do so at the expense of others. So, they want to level the playing field so that none stands above the rest...except for the ruling government, of course. And they want a czar-level position in that government.
7 posted on 07/28/2009 4:21:47 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (It's soft tyranny, folks. It's smiley-faced fascism.)
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To: shove_it

enemies of America must be stopped.


8 posted on 07/28/2009 4:22:11 AM PDT by The Wizard (Democrat Party: a criminal enterprise)
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To: saganite

That will be a fun one to watch: windmill environmentalists fighting the PETA people. Has this country gone collectively insane?


9 posted on 07/28/2009 4:23:07 AM PDT by RU88 (Bow to no man)
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To: raybbr

“Do they really want us to revert back to the Stone Age?”

Yes they do


10 posted on 07/28/2009 4:28:59 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

this whole environmental religion is getting ridiculous


11 posted on 07/28/2009 4:44:25 AM PDT by eyeamok
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To: shove_it

The Tea Party people need to find a way to counter sue the Sierra Club for their effort to support green power and then to fight wind and hydro activities. The demand more choices then they fight choices. Make them pay. Demonstrate in front of their offices.


12 posted on 07/28/2009 4:54:47 AM PDT by q_an_a
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To: shove_it

So-called environmentalists are the spawn of Heinrich Himmler’s Teutonic SS nature worship cult. The Sierra Club has murdered millions of people in the Third World, mostly women, children and babies, with its support of the DDT ban. Environmentalists are criminal Nazis who should be indicted for crimes against humanity, found guilty and hanged.


13 posted on 07/28/2009 4:58:59 AM PDT by sergeantdave (obuma is the anti-Lincoln, trying to re-establish slavery)
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To: sergeantdave
Environmentalists are criminal Nazis who should be indicted for crimes against humanity, found guilty and hanged.

Sounds fair to me, since they want to convict anyone using technology of crimes against nature. Oooh, wait- aren't the queers on their side, the original crimes against nature folks? Crimes against Gaia, yeah, that's it!

14 posted on 07/28/2009 5:06:46 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: shove_it
Environmentalists file in Va. to block power line

Once again, AP gets it wrong.

Headline should be:

Luddites file in Va. to block power line

15 posted on 07/28/2009 5:17:20 AM PDT by The Electrician ("Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.")
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To: raybbr
I just simply cannot understand these morons. Do they really want us to revert back to the Stone Age?

They've gone a step beyond NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard). Now they have a policy of BANANA (Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything).
16 posted on 07/28/2009 5:19:21 AM PDT by wolfpat (Moderate=Clueless)
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To: wolfpat

That’s a good one - BANANA!


17 posted on 07/28/2009 5:29:25 AM PDT by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: shove_it

Coldest Summer in 66 Years

http://cbs2chicago.com/local/chicago.coldest.july.2.1103959.html


18 posted on 07/28/2009 5:50:16 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: shove_it

The same groups are trying to block a new transmission line in Minnesota that ironically will be used to carry electricity generated from windmills in South Dakota. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.


19 posted on 07/28/2009 6:04:52 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money." M. Thatcher)
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To: The Great RJ

These so-called enviromentalists are people who want all of “nature” to be off limits to everyone but themselves.Only they are capable of appreciating the beauty of land with no people,buildings, or jobs.


20 posted on 07/28/2009 6:17:31 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: shove_it

When they lose, toss them, and their lawyers, into a compound without whatever it was they were protesting. For life.


21 posted on 07/28/2009 6:33:50 AM PDT by CPOSharky (Too many zeros in the budget. And the White House.)
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To: raybbr

Depending on where you live, your opinion may vary. What generally isn’t known is that West Virginians will have to help pay for a transmission line that mostly serves the midatlantic states. Add to that about half of the 30% of the electrical capacity that is provided by combustion turbined power plants was taken off line by utilities due to high natural gas prices. What that means is there’s not that much demand for coal fired plant electricity from WV in the midatlantic states now since oil prices came off the $147/bbl price.

West Virginia currently doesn’t have to inspect cars for emmissions. With that transmission line in place, there’s more potential for expansion at the John Amos power plant and concurrent polution of the Kanawha River valley. There’s already been times of pollution issues from that plant. Drops in the air quality would at some point prompt the EPA to require emissions testing of automobiles in WV.

WV has never had an issue with widespread grid related power outages like the Northeast. Why would someone in WV want that exposure?

The transmission line is an attempted profit grab by the utility. Because of several factors, the planned date of construction has slipped. The real point is it isn’t economically justified with current fuel prices.


22 posted on 07/28/2009 6:36:50 AM PDT by meatloaf (Obama, Obozo ... what's the difference?)
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To: meatloaf

Let me add that with the planned nuclear plants for Virginia and other seaboard states, there’s no reason to expect that the midatlantic states will be short of power in the future. The PATH folks are just trying to get there first.


23 posted on 07/28/2009 6:41:50 AM PDT by meatloaf (Obama, Obozo ... what's the difference?)
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To: meatloaf

ping for comments


24 posted on 07/28/2009 7:24:44 AM PDT by meatloaf (Obama, Obozo ... what's the difference?)
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To: meatloaf

The Greenies will go after those nuke plants like demons. Nukes are like holy water to them.


25 posted on 07/28/2009 7:41:04 AM PDT by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: saganite
This is going to be even more of an issue when they start building the transmission lines for the windfarms that are proposed. Most will be a long way from their customers requiring long transmission distances.

It has already started. T Boone Pickens has pretty much dropped his wind farm BS because of the transmission line fiasco.

26 posted on 07/28/2009 7:47:08 AM PDT by calex59 (I, me, myself, am actually Jim Thompson)
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To: shove_it

I think that’s slacked off. The plants I heard about will be built on existing sites. That means the siting stuff was done long ago. An intrevenor isn’t going to have the same opportunities they had before the existing plant was built.


27 posted on 07/28/2009 8:58:43 AM PDT by meatloaf (Obama, Obozo ... what's the difference?)
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To: shove_it

These people are idiots. I’m a big fan of electricity and use it almost every day. Electricity has improved my quality of life tremendously.


28 posted on 07/28/2009 9:04:28 AM PDT by relee ('Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away)
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To: meatloaf

I’ll believe it when I see it. These green nuts are capable of anything.


29 posted on 07/28/2009 9:13:39 AM PDT by shove_it (and have a nice day)
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To: shove_it
Ah, yes - the Sierra Club.

They are the NO in innovation.

30 posted on 07/28/2009 9:38:28 AM PDT by ASOC (Cave quid dicis, quando, et cui)
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To: shove_it

The Sierra Club can suck my — never mind.


31 posted on 07/29/2009 11:10:14 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Barack Obama: in your guts, you know he's nuts!)
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To: Abundy; Albion Wilde; AlwaysFree; AnnaSASsyFR; bayliving; BFM; cindy-true-supporter; ...

The power line, should the Sierra Club fail to stop it, will end in Maryland.

Maryland “Freak State” PING!


32 posted on 07/29/2009 11:11:49 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Barack Obama: in your guts, you know he's nuts!)
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To: LibLieSlayer
Hack the smart grid to their homes.
33 posted on 07/29/2009 11:51:16 PM PDT by kitchen (One battle rifle for each person, and a spare for each pair.)
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To: kitchen

Indeed!

LLS


34 posted on 07/30/2009 6:22:31 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: saganite
That is the elephant in the living room (that and intermittency, or capacity factor) that no one who advocates these so-called “renewable” energy sources is willing to acknowledge. All of the windies and sunnies say, oh, there's so much power available out in the desert, or on the plains of Montana or North Dakota, we can build these things out there and everything will be great, we don't need oil or nuclear or hydro. The trouble is, very few people live out there, you have to transmit that energy over a long distance, and that means power lines. And then they oppose those. Jerks.
35 posted on 07/30/2009 6:27:28 AM PDT by chimera
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To: chimera

California environmentalists have already brought a lawsuit against a proposed transmission line from a solar power plant in the desert. There is no form of power generation that is acceptable to them despite their supposed support for wind and solar.


36 posted on 07/30/2009 6:34:29 AM PDT by saganite (What would Sully do?)
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To: saganite
I'm not surprised. In my state a power transmission company gave up after seven years of trying to site a HV line from the southern part of the state to the northern, something that would have come in handy when the blackout of a few years ago happened. They just threw in the towel after years of lawsuits and obstruction by the wackos. And that was just for the transmission infrastructure.

The wackos would have been bouncing off the walls if there was any hint of developing any generating capacity. Already they've got their knives out for the nuclear plant proposed for the Piketon area. And Obama's DOE just quashed a loan guarantee application from USEC to build a centrifuge enrichment plant on the same site, something that Odouchebag promised to support when he campaigned here. Yet they gave a loan guarantee to a project in Chicago (imagine that!) for a 10 MW solar plant that has a cost of $6000 per installed kilowatt., When you factor in maybe a 20% capacity factor (which is optimistic for a solar plant in Chicago), the cost per produced kilowatt goes up by a factor of five. So you can see where Odumb$hit is putting the government's (our) money.

37 posted on 07/30/2009 6:57:03 AM PDT by chimera
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To: chimera; saganite
Tangentially related:

Labor troubles clouding solar industry’s sunny future
Greenerworking.com
June 25, 2009 by Tom Guay

California’s burgeoning solar industry suddenly finds itself facing a challenge that’s worse than a week of rain — winning labor union support.

Companies that agree to hire union workers seem to sail through approval hearings. Those that buck the union system get hammered with environmental impact reviews, costs and delays.

The New York Times reports that when solar power developer Ausra wanted to build a solar plant, it was challenged by labor lawyers who were terribly worried about protecting the environment and animal habitats.

Ausra didn’t want to hire union workers.

But an even larger solar plant proposed by BrightSource Energy sailed through the approval process, with enthusiastic support from the same union group, the California Unions for Reliable Energy.

BrightSource had agreed to hire union workers.

The NYTimes story warns that the battle over hiring union workers to build California’s solar power operations is expected to spread to all renewable energy projects.

The California Unions for Reliable Energy touts itself as specializing in conventional and renewable energy projects, “while protecting the state’s air, land and water from pollution.”

The NYTimes article is here.


38 posted on 07/30/2009 12:11:20 PM PDT by kitchen (One battle rifle for each person, and a spare for each pair.)
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