If this happened under Bush or McCain, we would call it mutiny or desertion. It’s the same thing under a president we dislike. The vast majority of people in the armed forces understand that Obama is the Commander in Chief and do their duty.
It is very irresponsible for Freepers to support these actions. I don’t think the birth certificate “issue” is real, but even if it is, there are plenty of civillians to pursue it.
I guess you haven’t been following along.... the courts keep ruling that we as citizens do not have the right to ensure that our President complies with the mandates of the constitution. Therefore, there are not civilians who are able to persue this action - many have tried - none were allowed.
Is it unreasonable to expect a person to prove “natural born citizenship” when it is clearly delineated in the constitution? Heck, my son had to show a birth certificate to play little league, and some might argue tha the Presidency is a little more important than second base!
Why? You can't just throw out a charge of "mutiny" or "desertion" by saying: "Oh pish posh those sillies......"
I'd like to see your reasoning why you don't think the birth certificate "issue" is real if all these soldiers are nothing more than deserters.
Not to mention the fact that mutiny and desertion are two totally separate things, mutiny isn't always a bad thing.....
Then feel free to ignore the Obama bc threads from this point out. Repeating that you "don't believe it" ad nauseum isn't adding anything of value to the discussion.
Civies can’t get standing.
Obama can NEVER be a lawful President of the USA because his father was a BRITISH SUBJECT, and Obama was a BRITISH SUBJECT at birth. He can never be a NATURAL Born Citizen as require by the US Constitution.
I take it the US Constitution is important to you?
Mutiny or desertion would only apply if they said they won’t serve... regardless of the Birth Certificate situation. They’re simply questioning his authority at this point. And civilians have all been shut down for lack of standing, so that’s not really an option at this point.
This seems like the best way to get at the truth. I say “more power to them.”
These people are being sent to war by what could be an alien entity. If I were being sent, possibly to my death, to war by an Indonesian or Kenyan citizen, I would definitely object. Military personal take an oath to uphold the Constitution and protect the American citizens it serves. An alien president, who could very easily have loyalties to his home country, does not fit into this oath.
I believe the contrary. I think Freepers should overwhelmingly demand proof of citizenship by ANY president before we're subject to his/her authority. If anyone questions their citisensghip, those questions should be promptly answered on demand - especially for those in the military.
This is an important matter. Our next president could possibly be an illegal alien. After Oboma, who could stop it? A president has been set. The camels head is already in the tent.
If the BC is produced showing that the man occupying the White House was born in Hawaii; these men will salute and say “Yes, Sir! (I'm glad we got that cleared up, Sir!)”
It is very irresponsible for soldiers to follow orders they believe are invalid.
Soldiers are citizens too, and have absolutely every right to confirm their orders are from legitimate sources.
If this happened under Bush or McCain, we would call it mutiny because the required proof of eligibility had already been shown, addressed, and the issue settled. Remember: McCain faced a comparable challenge, showed his papers, Congress addressed the issue and a solid conclusion was reached.
It’s not that BHO is disliked, it’s that mounting piles of circumstantial evidence is demanding presentation of proof of eligibility, and that demand is systematically denied in ways that just keeps piling on more circumstantial evidence. All the more reason to get the issue settled once and for all. McCain did, why doesn’t Obama?
Whether of not O is their commander in chief is the question still to be decided... because Mr. Obama ignores the simple request to prove it.
If any soldier receives orders, he must obey them, but he has the DUTY to ensure they are legal orders.
If a soldier, even one who was a plaintiff in such a case, received orders to report to Iraq, they have a duty to obey those orders, regardless of where the case is, short of a definitive verdict... and I'm sure they would report.
The duty to follow orders does not remove the ability to petition the courts to ensure those orders emanate from a legal source.
It is very irresponsible for Freepers to support these actions. I don’t think the birth certificate “issue” is real, but even if it is, there are plenty of civilians to pursue it.
No one knows if the birth certificate issue is real. The reason we do not know is not because of FReepers or anyone else other than the President himself. The President could have settled this issue months ago. The reason there are still questions about the birth certificate is because Mr. Obama will not disclose it.
The reason military people must be the ones to question this is because they are among the very few Americans with standing to be recognized as proper plaintiffs in this matter.
Don't worry about them. Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, Marines, Coasties; they are accustomed to getting the dirty, thankless jobs!
BS.
Following legitimate orders implies that the person ordering them is legitimate. Our military is not stupid. They’ve been trained to identify an enemy. They are warriors and they’ve acquired skills as hunters; never the hunted. They’ve watched and listened to the usurper, and they detect disdain and hatred toward something our military is sworn to protect. They’re willing to lay their lives on the line for our Constuitution. It’s just that in this case, it may just be in the courtroom, and not on the battlefield.
I’m certain this is a growing movement.
So you think quite plainly then that Hitler ordered it should have been a defense at Nuremberg?
Good luck body!!!
Are you smoking something???