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Unveiled! Hawaii's 1961 long-form birth certificates
WND ^ | 7/28/09 | Jerome Corsi

Posted on 07/28/2009 7:34:23 PM PDT by pissant

Images of two 1961 Hawaii birth certificates similar to the one President Obama purportedly has on file have now been unveiled.

The Honolulu Advertiser published photostats of the original long-form birth certificates of twin daughters born to Eleanor Nordyke at Kapi'olani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital Aug. 5, 1961, one day after Obama was supposedly born at the same facility.

The Nordykes' certificates include information missing from the short-form document for Obama published online, including the name of the hospital, the name of the attending physician, name and address of the parents, the race of the parents and the race of the baby.

As WND reported yesterday, Hawaii's director of health responded to the growing controversy over the White House's refusal to release Obama's original long-form birth certificate by issuing a statement about the document in apparent contravention of Hawaiian law.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; US: Hawaii
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1 posted on 07/28/2009 7:34:24 PM PDT by pissant
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To: STARWISE

Ping the Posse!

Haven’t read it yet but it sounds like it’s gonna be good!


2 posted on 07/28/2009 7:36:26 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: pissant

Pissant - why does the long-form still say “Certificate of Live Birth?”


3 posted on 07/28/2009 7:38:25 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("President Obama, your agenda is not new, it's not change, and it's not hope" - Rush Limbaugh 02/28)
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To: pissant

From article:

A close examination of the birth certificates issued by Kapi’olani to the Nordyke twins shows the registration number precedes the number given Obama, even though the future president was born a day earlier.


4 posted on 07/28/2009 7:38:30 PM PDT by Principled (Get the capital back! NRST!)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Because it is different than the Certification of Live Birth (COLB)
5 posted on 07/28/2009 7:39:44 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

Meanwhile, an image of an apparently fraudulent Kenyan certificate of birth circulated on the Web today from an unknown source. It alleged Obama was born in Mombasa. But a contributor at FreeRepublic.com debunked it, declaring "Busted!"

6 posted on 07/28/2009 7:39:55 PM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: pissant
Obama’s got his people preparing a forgery of one of those right now.
7 posted on 07/28/2009 7:41:49 PM PDT by detective
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To: pissant

CNN said this story was dead. LOL!

Lou Dobbs (bless this patriot) did not get the memo.


8 posted on 07/28/2009 7:42:01 PM PDT by Frantzie (Where is the birth certificate?)
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To: detective

Yup


9 posted on 07/28/2009 7:43:30 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

Just so that nobody gets confused: the order of the certificates means nothing. The numbers are only there for unique identification. One stack of them would be at one hospital or office, and another would be at another hospital or office, meaning that each would turn in the certificates out of order. Surely there are some missing as well.

However, the birth certificate, if produced, still wouldn’t resolve allegations that his citizenship was renounced.


10 posted on 07/28/2009 7:43:41 PM PDT by freedomconservationist
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To: Frantzie

He got the memo. He just round-filed it.


11 posted on 07/28/2009 7:43:50 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: All; pissant

Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigator’s June 10 Report

—snippet—

In 1961 if a 17 year old American girl gave birth in a foreign country to a child whose father was not an American citizen, that child had no right to any American citizenship, let alone the “natural born” citizenship that qualifies someone for the Presidency under Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution.

“ 7 FAM 1133.2-2 Original Provisions and Amendments to Section 301

(CT:CON-204; 11-01-2007)

“a. Section 301 as Effective on December 24, 1952: When enacted in 1952, section 301 required a U.S. citizen married to an alien to have been physically present in the United States for ten years, including five after reaching the age of fourteen, to transmit citizenship to foreign-born children. The ten-year transmission requirement remained in effect from 12:01 a.m. EDT December 24, 1952, through midnight November 13, 1986, and still is applicable to persons born during that period.

http://www.westernjournalism.com/?page_id=2697


12 posted on 07/28/2009 7:44:20 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("I won't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass." Admiral IsorokoYamamoto)
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To: pissant
The Nordykes' certificates include information missing from the short-form document for Obama published online, including the name of the hospital, the name of the attending physician, name and address of the parents, the race of the parents and the race of the baby.

§338-20.5 Adoption; foreign born persons.

(a) The department of health shall establish a Hawaii certificate of birth for a person born in a foreign country and for whom a final decree of adoption has been entered in a court of competent jurisdiction in Hawaii, when it receives the following:

(1) A properly certified copy of the adoption decree, or certified abstract thereof on a form approved by the department; and

(2) A copy of any investigatory report and recommendation which may have been prepared by the director of social services; and

(3) A report on a form to be approved by the department of health setting forth the following:

(A) Date of assumption of custody;

(B) Sex;

(C) Color or race;

(D) Approximate age of child;

(E) Name and address of the person or persons adopting said child;

(F) Name given to child by adoptive parent or parents;

(G) True or probable country of birth.

The true or probable country of birth shall be known as the place of birth, and the date of birth shall be determined by approximation. This report shall constitute an original certificate of birth; and

(4) A request that a new certificate of birth be established.

(b) After preparation of the new certificate of birth in the new name of the adopted person, the department of health shall seal and file the certified copy of the adoptive decree, the investigatory report and recommendation of the director of human services if any, the report constituting the original certificate of birth, and the request for a new certificate of birth. The sealed documents may be opened by the department only by an order of a court of record or when requested in accordance with section 578-14.5 or 578-15. The new certificate of birth shall show the true or probable foreign country of birth, and that the certificate is not evidence of United States citizenship for the child for whom it is issued or for the adoptive parents. [L 1979, c 203, §3; am L 1990, c 338, §3]

This certificate is a short form.

13 posted on 07/28/2009 7:44:21 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: freedomconservationist

Welcome to FR.


14 posted on 07/28/2009 7:44:32 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: pissant

Just waiting for the ruling by a certain U.S. District judge(a Marine) in Santa Ana, CA in “Cook vs. Obama”

“Mr. Presdent, I need to see your Birth Certificate”


15 posted on 07/28/2009 7:44:33 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: raybbr

Darn...I missed that gem of a thread entirely today...lol

Good work Freepers!


16 posted on 07/28/2009 7:44:43 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

The distinction is not “Birth Certificate” vs. “Certificate of Live Birth”, but the latter vs. “CertificatION of Live Birth”. The former is the original document (or a photocopy/microfiche/digital scan of said original) - the document itself, for you to see. The latter is a printout with a stamp and seal on it that essentially says: “This information is what the actual document contains. Trust us...”


17 posted on 07/28/2009 7:44:49 PM PDT by Charles Martel ("Endeavor to persevere...")
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
0bama's COLB

Photobucket

Nordyke birth certificate Photobucket

18 posted on 07/28/2009 7:45:45 PM PDT by hercuroc
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To: All

The media is working overtime to make this go away, never seen them work so hard to discredit a story


19 posted on 07/28/2009 7:48:58 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: pissant

LOL! If Fox is smart - they should snap up Lou. CNN pisses off Lou then they will lose a lot of viewers.

I bet Lou could double his numbers on Fox and smash that phony The Leprechaun aka BOR(e) in the ratings.


20 posted on 07/28/2009 7:49:51 PM PDT by Frantzie (Where is the birth certificate?)
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To: kellynla

Maybe Judge Carter and Lou Dobbs will be the patriots to stand up to Hussein Stalin and his thugs.


21 posted on 07/28/2009 7:51:04 PM PDT by Frantzie (Where is the birth certificate?)
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To: hercuroc
Obomas Short birth certificate picture perfectly matches the legal requirement description of a "foreign live birth" certificate in post #13.Check it out.
22 posted on 07/28/2009 7:51:52 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: hercuroc

look at Obama’s COLB> Incredibly sparse. Almost no info on it at all. LOL! What a cheezy fake!


23 posted on 07/28/2009 7:52:21 PM PDT by Frantzie (Where is the birth certificate?)
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To: concerned about politics

Whoa! This needs to be ping’ed to everyone. Good FIND!


24 posted on 07/28/2009 7:53:23 PM PDT by Frantzie (Where is the birth certificate?)
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To: pissant

Name

Location of Birth

Birth Cert #

Date/Time Born

Barack Hussein Obama II

Kapiolani Medical Center

151-61-10641

Aug. 4, 1961 7:24 pm

Susan Elizabeth Nordyke

Kapiolani Medical Center

151-61-10637

Aug. 5, 1961 2:12 pm

Gretchen Carter Nordyke

Kapiolani Medical Center

151-61-10638

Aug. 5, 1961 2:17 pm


25 posted on 07/28/2009 7:54:15 PM PDT by BP2 (I think, therefore I'm a conservative)
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To: Frantzie

I wish they would replace O’Reilly with Dobbs.


26 posted on 07/28/2009 7:54:18 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama. Clear and Pres__ent Danger.)
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To: pissant; All
Your hard work concerning this "Obamassiah BC Mystery" is very much appreciated!!

I posted this last fall, and also on another thread about 30 minutes ago. I am posting it once more for you and any other FReeper who hasn't seen it, hoping it might be some sort of "CLUE".

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Last fall when this subject came up on FR, I noticed something on the "alleged REAL Obamassiah BC. It is circled in red on the pic below:

Not being an expert at Photoshop (like whoever TRIED to sell the above as a REAL doc) I had my wife do the red circle on the above doc, and then enlarge the area, and came up with this:

..which appeared like a date stamped on the back that "bled through". By "flipping" the image, enlarging and darkening it somewhat, it revealed this:

I never did find out from any Freeper if it was a "clue" of any kind concerning the "Obamassiah BC Mystery".

I wonder if the date would help at all as far as finding out who filed for the doc, or who did the "transaction" at work that day?

Also, cronologically, what was happening with Obamassiah at that time?

27 posted on 07/28/2009 7:56:03 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see a REAL C.O.L.B. BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

NO NO NO

BORN OUT OF WEDLOCK because daddy was a lying bigamist

http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/99-2071.ZO.html


28 posted on 07/28/2009 7:56:11 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Principled
A close examination of the birth certificates issued by Kapi’olani to the Nordyke twins shows the registration number precedes the number given Obama, even though the future president was born a day earlier.

WHOOPS!

29 posted on 07/28/2009 7:56:12 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: BP2

Methinks someone faked BHO’s document, and forgot to check for sequential integrity.


30 posted on 07/28/2009 7:57:31 PM PDT by rfp1234
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To: pissant

Satin Doll posted on another thread that she read earlier that Obama’s newspaper announcement was actually spliced over the Nordyke’s announcement.

Anyone else recall reading that?

Also, I pointed out earlier that perhaps it was the Nordyke TRIPLETS, not twins, the third one died, and Obama bought the registry # and the place in the announcement from them for big bucks, no doubt.


31 posted on 07/28/2009 7:57:34 PM PDT by spacejunkie01
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To: hercuroc; pissant

Okay...question. Seeing the paperwork side by side...

The President was born on August 4, 1961...right? And his BC number is 151-1961-010641...YET...

Susan Elizabeth Nordyke, born Augst 5, 1961 (one day later) her BC number is 151-1961-10637. AN EARLIER NUMBER???

Any logical explanation how THAT occurred??? Because I would guess that Birth Certificate registration occurs in the order in which you were born, ie., August 4 births would have a lesser number than August 5...and so on.

I could be wrong...those wacky Hawaiians!!!


32 posted on 07/28/2009 7:57:43 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom ("First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win!" Mahatma Ghandi)
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To: Frantzie
look at Obama’s COLB> Incredibly sparse. Almost no info on it at all. LOL! What a cheezy fake!

Again, see Hawaii's law about foreign births in post #13. Because they have no records on foreign births, all they can allow are assumptions. It's just simple, basic, assumed information.

These foreign certificates in no way claim the recipient to be a legal American born citizen.

33 posted on 07/28/2009 7:58:00 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: musicman

there is a poster here that recently made a post about how things were stamped and I didn’t save the guy’s name. He talked to the people there about his own COLB

there were three ways that things were stamped depending on which stamping machine they used, etc.

I don’t remember the details. This may have been due to that.

I wish I could remember the thread that was on.


34 posted on 07/28/2009 7:59:01 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: musicman

“Jun 6 2007” would be an alteration, hence it invalidates the “certificate”.


35 posted on 07/28/2009 7:59:48 PM PDT by rfp1234
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To: concerned about politics

I think you are the first person who has foun dthis foreign birth info requirement. Great find that should be pinged.

Looks like the info is best guess.


36 posted on 07/28/2009 8:00:38 PM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs - American Hero!)
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To: Frantzie
Whoa! This needs to be ping’ed to everyone. Good FIND!

No one seems to be seeing the connection. It's so easy, even a cave man can see it.

37 posted on 07/28/2009 8:00:43 PM PDT by concerned about politics ("Get thee behind me, Liberal")
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To: RummyChick

Thanks for your reply to my post!


38 posted on 07/28/2009 8:01:06 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see a REAL C.O.L.B. BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: concerned about politics
The true or probable country of birth shall be known as the place of birth, and the date of birth shall be determined by approximation. This report shall constitute an original certificate of birth

I wonder if this is why his birth number is later than Nordykes's.

And what's a probable country of birth-can you make one up?

39 posted on 07/28/2009 8:02:03 PM PDT by hercuroc
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To: hercuroc

The first certificate looks like a MODERN ‘consular’ form of the BC, issued by an embassy (I know, my son’s looks like that because he was born in the UK and we applied for this abroad.) I repeat.....MODERN.

The second looks like MY original BC from when I was born in 1966 from MY state in the great US of A.

This is just all too weird beyond words.


40 posted on 07/28/2009 8:02:31 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama. Clear and Pres__ent Danger.)
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To: Principled

Read this article. It confirms a lot of what the people have been saying. It is clear that CNN lied when they said that the paper records had been destroyed

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090728/NEWS01/907280345/Hawaii+officials+confirm+Obama%E2%80%99s+original+birth+certificate+still+exists


41 posted on 07/28/2009 8:03:11 PM PDT by pushforbush
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To: rfp1234

I wish more of the msm would realize that point ( as one of MANY!!!).


42 posted on 07/28/2009 8:03:24 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see a REAL C.O.L.B. BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

I’ve lost interest in BOR, but he does crush Keith O. day in and day out. If Dobbs ever did make the switch to FOX, he should replace Shep Smith, who is becoming more and more replacable with each passing day.


43 posted on 07/28/2009 8:03:30 PM PDT by joejm65
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To: concerned about politics

Yup! That’s pretty much a smoking gun!


44 posted on 07/28/2009 8:03:34 PM PDT by piytar (Take back the language: Obama axing Chrystler dealers based on political donations is REAL fascism!)
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To: joejm65

Him, too. LOL! I can’t stand the ‘green eyeshadow’ much more.


45 posted on 07/28/2009 8:04:41 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama. Clear and Pres__ent Danger.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

The Long form is a Certificate, while the short-form is a “Certification”. The former is an original document, the latter is a quickie printout (”certified” by whom, God only knows). These are the kinds of subtleties that the Enemedia are trying to sneak by everyone.


46 posted on 07/28/2009 8:04:55 PM PDT by rfp1234
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To: PennsylvaniaMom
Any logical explanation how THAT occurred??? Because I would guess that Birth Certificate registration occurs in the order in which you were born, ie., August 4 births would have a lesser number than August 5...and so on.

My wife's business deals with state registration forms. Number snafu's like this are common. There could be a multitude of reasons.

For instance she has multiple stacks of the forms. Employees are supposed to use the next number in line but being lazy, very busy or not caring they just grab one when the previosuly employee did not put the stack back in order so the numbers are out of order with the dates every so often.

Maybe the hospital had these forms in different locations???

47 posted on 07/28/2009 8:05:18 PM PDT by tc45a
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To: concerned about politics

It’s literally the “missing link.” ;-)


48 posted on 07/28/2009 8:05:29 PM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs - American Hero!)
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To: pushforbush

And it further begs the question, why did CNN lie? And if they were told, from Hawaiian or WH officials that the records were destroyed, why? If the records WERE not destroyed...because it can’t be both ways.


49 posted on 07/28/2009 8:05:45 PM PDT by PennsylvaniaMom ("First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win!" Mahatma Ghandi)
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To: penelopesire; seekthetruth; television is just wrong; jcsjcm; BP2; Pablo Mac; April Lexington; ...

~~PING!


50 posted on 07/28/2009 8:06:38 PM PDT by STARWISE (The Art & Science Institute of Chicago Politics NE Div: now open at the White House)
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