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Marina Kalashnikova’s Warning to the West
Global Analysis ^ | July 17, 2009 | Jeffrey R. Nyquist

Posted on 07/29/2009 10:13:21 AM PDT by spycatcher

Meet Marina Kalashnikova: a Moscow-based historian, researcher and journalist. Last August she criticized foreign “experts” for suggesting that a conflict with Moscow will not happen because Russia’s elite is too closely associated with the West. According to Kalashnikova, “The West does not care to wake from the dream of its wishful thinking, even when Moscow turns to … reanimating Stalin’s cult of personality together with the ideology of the Cheka [i.e., the secret police].”

I’m afraid that Marina Kalashnikova is right. The West has been dreaming, and the West will suffer the consequences. If the Kremlin likes Stalin, then there will be trouble. If KGB officers have established a sophisticated form of dictatorship in Russia, they have done so for a reason. We should remind our politicians, with their short memories, that Stalin and his secret police did not run a Sunday school. Furthermore, the recent trail of blood and radiation leading back to the Kremlin is like a finger pointing to the greatest danger of our time – nixed from the news media’s prattle of the hour. (A retired KGB officer recently told me that “nobody is easier to buy than a Western journalist.”)

Russia has built an alliance of dictators, what Kalashnikova calls an “alliance of the most unbridled forces and regimes.” Extremists of all kinds serve the purpose of breaking the peace, damaging Western economies, and setting the stage for a global revolution in which the balance of power shifts from the United States and the West to the Kremlin and its Chinese allies. “Among the ideas that animate general staff analysts in the Kremlin, there is the idea of diffusion,” says Kalashnikova, “It is not that the Kremlin should strive for territorial expansion and the dissemination of its [political] model. The critical thing is power and the fulcrum of an overall strategic context. In that case, even if the Americans appear influential in the post-Soviet countries, Moscow remains in charge. The [Russian] General Staff therefore has successfully expanded Moscow’s position beyond and above the old Soviet position in Africa and Latin America.” What prevails, she says, is Moscow’s “assertiveness and determination without fear of a reaction from the West.”

In other words, the West has already been outmaneuvered. The KGB and the Russian General Staff have taken our measure, and they are laughing at us. Our leaders do not realize the sophistication of their enemy. They cannot see or understand what is happening. They blink, they turn away, continuing to use concepts gifted to them long ago by Soviet agents of influence. As a nation we are confused and disoriented, believing that the world is beholden to the West’s money power – and therefore, peace can be purchased.

“The Kremlin has activated a network of extremists in the Third World,” wrote Kalashnikova. “[At the same time] Russia has managed to shake off nearly all international conventions restricting the expansion of its military power.” In this situation, the only counter to Russian power is American power. Yet the American president is preparing to surrender that power in a series of arms control agreements that will leave the United States vulnerable to a first strike. Placing this in context, nuclear weapons are ultimate weapons, so that the West’s superiority in conventional weapons is therefore meaningless. Whoever gains strategic nuclear supremacy will rule the world; and the Russian strategic rocket forces are in place, ready to launch, while America’s nuclear forces are rotting from neglect.

The Russian historian sees that the West relies on the greed of Russia’s elite to keep the Kremlin in line.  But this is a foolish conceit. Mao Zedong said that political power “flows from the barrel of a gun.” Therefore, the Kremlin’s logic is ironclad: Let the West keep its worthless currency. Moscow will have weapons, and in the end Moscow and its allies will control everything. The liberal may believe that protests and appeals to humanity are the ultimate trump cards. The financiers may believe that money makes the world go ‘round. Let them try to stop a salvo of ICBMs with liberal sentiment and cash. As far as the laws of physics are concerned, their favored instruments cannot stop a single missile. 

According to Kalashnikova, “It is clear that the [Kremlin] regime has no restraint and will commit any crime, break any rule, surpass any benchmark in order to consolidate its already illegitimate power….” Even the old KGB chief, Vladimir Kryuchkov, was appalled: “Putin and others have to answer for what they are doing today to the country,” he said. But the West sleeps. The West doesn’t want to hear about the danger that rises in the East – from the Kremlin and its Chinese allies. As Kalashnikova points out, the warnings of Russian observers like Viktor Suvorov and Vladimir Bukovsky have been almost totally ignored. Western chauvinism is deep-rooted, and the Westerner takes his military and economic superiority for granted. He laughs at the idea that “the Russians are coming.” But the joke is on America. The Kremlin’s psychological advantage is vital and immediate, and extends into the political domain. This is significant because the outcome of every war is pre-determined by the political process leading up to the war.

Kalashnikova laments that Suvorov and Bukovsky remain largely unknown, “and are even hated by the Western establishment … [which] avoids uncomfortable truths about the world and themselves, especially when the truth comes from Russian critics.” Do the Americans have sense? Are they serious people? No, said Suvorov more than two decades ago. No, says Kalashnikova today. The Russian generals are getting ready. They are consolidating their influence because the coming war requires it.

 “The NATO idea of deterrence means absolutely nothing to the Russian generals,” wrote Kalashnikova. “Unlike their Western counterparts, they are not afraid of big military and civilian losses. This was true in the time of Stalin. Losses do not affect the popularity of Kremlin rulers….” The philosopher Nietzsche once wrote that sacrificing people for a state or an idea makes that state or idea all the more precious to those who have made the sacrifice. Such is human psychology, yesterday, today and tomorrow.

“The strategic balance,” warned Kalashnikova, “has by and large never worked.” Standing outside the logic of nuclear deterrence, Kremlin leaders have modernized their nuclear bunkers. They are prepared to survive. “The current Russian military is not weaker than the USSR,” she says, “and in some areas it surpasses the Soviet military.” – This from a writer who has personally interviewed Russian generals, spy chiefs and statesmen. She goes on to say that after 9/11 Russia’s terrorist allies can be realistically assumed to play a key role in the strategic equation. And then she fatefully quotes a NATO functionary who spoke about the role of al Qaeda and Bin Laden as follows: “This [9/11 attack] is beyond their intellectual capabilities.” Insights of this kind have been known to trigger “polonium reactions,” as in the case of former FSB Lt. Col. Alexander Litvinenko – who publicly declared that Vladimir Putin was the master terrorist behind al Qaeda.

And here is where the plot thickens. When Marina Kalashnikova presented her analysis to Russian and Ukrainian readers on August 26, 2008, she annoyed the regime and made herself a target of the Russian secret police. Her Moscow residence was broken into. Private papers were stolen. Threats were made. And last, but not least, she was forcibly incarcerated in a psychiatric clinic for 35 days. “I am completely healthy,” Kalashnikova told me during a telephone interview on Sunday. “It was absolutely political … and not medical at all.”

And what excuse did they offer for breaking the door locks and grabbing her? “I was allegedly aggressive,” she explained, “even though I was staying behind the door of my own home.” What she had done, of course, was reveal the hostile intentions of the Russian government toward the United States. “Just yesterday,” she explained, “I got some threats that they would get me back to the clinic because I did not fulfill the agreement of not interfering in political subjects here. I am forbidden to do journalism and politics and interviewing and everything. So I can only arrange everyday life. My endeavors, and my active communication with the West regarding this psychiatric imprisonment [is forbidden]. I feel completely insecure here. It is no joke. It is no exaggeration. The reality is even more awful and criminal. I try not to frighten people. The American people are too comfortable. I have underestimated and under-described the situation. It is very dangerous. The situation needs their urgent sorting out.”

And what situation is she talking about?

“I think that Russia has always had America as the enemy,” Kalashnikova told me, “and it remains in such a capacity. I think that all preparations that Russia makes are military preparations, and preparations for war. I talked three times during recent days with … a former politician and party functionary and bright diplomat … and he confirmed that they expect war.”

I hope that Marina Kalashnikova is safe, and that Americans will appreciate her courage, heed her warnings, and prevent the outbreak of war through care and vigilance. Marina gave me permission to tell her story and relate her words to those who are sleeping in the West. She needs our help, and she deserves it.


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1 posted on 07/29/2009 10:13:22 AM PDT by spycatcher
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To: spycatcher

Interesting.........but, frankly, odd.


2 posted on 07/29/2009 10:22:17 AM PDT by glide625
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To: spycatcher

of ak-47 fame?


3 posted on 07/29/2009 10:31:42 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (The revolution IS being televised.)
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To: spycatcher

Just wait until Obama orders the decommissioning of all Boomers...


4 posted on 07/29/2009 10:37:36 AM PDT by snarks_when_bored
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To: spycatcher
In other words, the West has already been outmaneuvered.

Nonsense. We've been set up by our own wealthy elites, who created Marxism and the Soviet Union in the first place.

5 posted on 07/29/2009 10:50:04 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (They were the Slave Party then; they are the Slave Party now.)
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To: spycatcher
Make no mistake... Obama was created by these guys through their American sleeper agents. Ask Bill Ayers...
6 posted on 07/29/2009 11:09:30 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: Carry_Okie

You are wise..., very wise...


7 posted on 07/29/2009 11:11:13 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: spycatcher

This is what happens when you let your enemies freely migrate to your country. They come and, from day one, they plot your demise...


8 posted on 07/29/2009 11:12:45 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: April Lexington

I see you ignored Obama’s advice to take the blue pill. Well done.


9 posted on 07/29/2009 11:21:05 AM PDT by spycatcher
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To: spycatcher
I've been dodging that one since my “blue suede shoes” days... These guys are, at least, predictable... watch your back and don't eat the soup.
10 posted on 07/29/2009 11:26:33 AM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: spycatcher

"The West does not care to wake from the dream of its wishful thinking...The KGB and the Russian General Staff have taken our measure, and they are laughing at us. "The Kremlin has activated a network of extremists in the Third World," wrote Kalashnikova. "

But they do as the Obamarishi orders them to...

11 posted on 07/29/2009 11:29:35 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: the invisib1e hand

No, that’s Maj. Gen. Mikhail Kalashnikov, now a widower in his eighties who never got a dime in royalties for his design. He even is trying to market his own brand of vodka, and there was a full page ad in the American Rifleman!

Anyway, Kalashnikova is sounding an alarm that no one wants to hear. Devil’s advocate, but how would we react to an American who said American culture is greedy, evil, and imperialistic?

Oh - we let her acquire fame and wealth. Fonda, anyone?


12 posted on 07/29/2009 11:31:09 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("O Muslim! My bullets are dipped in pig grease!")
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To: glide625

Did you read the other link? It may help with the overall view of things. Geopolitical deception can be quite odd and confusing, but “truth is stranger than fiction” certainly applies in modern America. Just wait until Obama really starts implementing his Marxist takedown plans for America to see what I mean.


13 posted on 07/29/2009 11:36:46 AM PDT by spycatcher
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To: Carry_Okie

did not Lenin say something along the lines of, “... sell them the rope they will hang themselves with...”?


14 posted on 07/29/2009 4:11:40 PM PDT by Jacksonian Grouch (God has granted us Freedom; we owe Him our courage in return)
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To: Jacksonian Grouch
The Capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them. Vladimir Ilyich Lenin
15 posted on 10/17/2009 6:36:49 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Jacksonian Grouch

16 posted on 10/17/2009 6:38:25 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: lizol; Lukasz; strategofr; GSlob; spanalot; Thunder90; Tailgunner Joe; propertius; REactor; ...
Russia/Soviet/Coldwar2 PING!!!

To be added to or removed from this list, please FReepmail me...

17 posted on 10/17/2009 7:02:22 AM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: Vaquero

Nice sounding quote. Only one problem with it—I’m not gonna let myself be hanged. People like Lenin—and Onada—only succeed in an environment where the population has been cowed into submission by the government. I don’t intend to victimized by that mentality.

Anyone who thinks someone holding political office—elected or usurped—can tell me to do something that is criminal has been smoking too much dope.


18 posted on 10/17/2009 7:05:59 AM PDT by dools007
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To: Carry_Okie

So true! Without them there would have never been a Soviet Union.


19 posted on 10/17/2009 7:12:39 AM PDT by I Hate Obama ("Sorry I had a fight in the middle of your Black Panther Party." -Forest Gump)
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To: spycatcher
and the Russian strategic rocket forces are in place, ready to launch, while America’s nuclear forces are rotting from neglect.

I think I read a similar analysis of Russian nuclear hardware yesterday but can not find it. BTW I have been to Russia ten times, know their hardware, and like their people, who seem as confused as we are why our political direction is turning "LEFT". A Russian immigrant recently said to me; "I thought I was moving to a free country". Point taken. We better be concerned about the commies in our own country first.

20 posted on 10/17/2009 7:20:24 AM PDT by GWConservative (Please visit... www.AdBirds.com for Better Online Advertising!)
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To: April Lexington

Bingo!


21 posted on 10/17/2009 7:21:51 AM PDT by Josephat
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To: Jacksonian Grouch
"did not Lenin say something along the lines of, “... sell them the rope they will hang themselves with...”?"

And Kruschchev said "we will bury you".

Krushchev, bury you

I like Reagan's many advices, among which was that there is a war, now going on, for the world. No one seems to like to remind Americans of that fact any more. Like maybe we all live under a rainbow in enlightened oneness...
22 posted on 10/17/2009 7:26:13 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out ( <<< click my name: now featuring Freeper classifieds)
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To: Vaquero

Gorbachev said in November, 1987:

“Gentleman, Comrades, do not be concerned about all you hear about glasnost and perestroika and democracy in the coming years. These are primarily for outward consumption.

There will be no significant internal change within the Soviet-Union, other than for cosmetic purposes. Our purpose is to disarm the Americans and let them fall asleep.”


23 posted on 10/17/2009 7:32:25 AM PDT by Strategy
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To: spycatcher
“I think that Russia has always had America as the enemy,” Kalashnikova told me, “and it remains in such a capacity. I think that all preparations that Russia makes are military preparations, and preparations for war. I talked three times during recent days with … a former politician and party functionary and bright diplomat … and he confirmed that they expect war.”

Perhaps, but IMO, the Russian system is so corrupted these days that as long as there is no war, the thieves will do well by accumulating wealth and keeping any opponent at bay with a stronger military...any war would surely destroy their situation. Meanwhile, our system is just as corrupt but not by the industrialists, it is by those who seek political power. We are devolving into a socialist state and the Russian state is evolving into a state more like the US around the early 1900s. As we pass, it will be like a near by pass by an asteroid, one deviation and it could be a planet killer or just merely pass by.

Now what does that portend...if we stop the dissent into complete socialism and turn it around, the US could threaten those in Russia who are in economic power. Meanwhile, if we also weaken our deterrence to such an extent to make it a token force, we are set up for disaster. Neither outlook is promising if we give up our military force, either we end up as socialism slaves or we end up dead. Obviously der leader is making the choice to end up in socialism.

24 posted on 10/17/2009 7:42:17 AM PDT by Mouton
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To: spycatcher

They might as well launch now. Obama won’t fire back.


25 posted on 10/17/2009 7:43:52 AM PDT by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (Give Them Liberty Or Give Them Death! - IT'S ISLAM, STUPID! - Islam Delenda Est! - Rumble thee forth)
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To: Carry_Okie

Our wealthy elites created Marxism and the Soviet Union? Now there is an historical thesis I would like you to prove.


26 posted on 10/17/2009 7:45:57 AM PDT by Melchior
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To: dools007

The lists will be made. Names will be on that list. Authorities will provoke you, and you respond or not respond, doeesn’t matter. Since you are isolated, they simply get a warrant, or not, and break down your door and you go to the institution, because you have committed hate speech. Your family is destroyed or scattered, to become wards of the CPS or State.

More than half the population is cowed into submission by the government and will not support you.


27 posted on 10/17/2009 7:53:00 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: spycatcher
I was going to post, "I hope that Marina Kalashnikova is safe." Then I read it in the story, so I'll just post, "me,too."

:-/

28 posted on 10/17/2009 7:59:08 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: April Lexington; spycatcher; Carry_Okie; HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

They have been with us for a very long time, and that ideology, like the venereal disease it is, just won’t go away.

And no one in positions of Constitutional authority/obligation had the balls to MAKE it go away within our borders (Joe McCarthy tried, and they broke him).

Isn’t that the definition of “malfeasence” - when they have the office, and the Constitutional OBLIGATION and RESPONSIBILTY to remove these dangerous, subversive folks from positions of power, and do NOTHING?

Actually, I believe the real definition...

...is Treason.


29 posted on 10/17/2009 8:18:08 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By any means necessary.)
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To: dools007
—I’m not gonna let myself be hanged.

Agreed....

Lock and Load...

Molon Labe...


30 posted on 10/17/2009 9:13:12 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: spycatcher

(A retired KGB officer recently told me that “nobody is easier to buy than a Western journalist.”).......................... So we have found out, and most work for the NYT.


31 posted on 10/17/2009 9:16:31 AM PDT by Bringbackthedraft (DON'T BLAME ME I VOTED FOR "PALIN"!)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

I wonder what sort of stuff the Russians, Chinese, and other hostile nations have been able to gain because of the lack of security within our intelligence and defense structures caused by Obama and co.


32 posted on 10/17/2009 9:19:56 AM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: spycatcher

Yuri Bezmenov explained this in the 80’s

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6KUDv1wzraWhwlBt1

He said that all we have to do is “remove the bananas from our ears and open our eyes”

Ideological Subversion.


33 posted on 10/17/2009 9:31:53 AM PDT by JMJJR ( Newspeak is the official language of Oceania)
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To: Vaquero; dools007

“—I’m not gonna let myself be hanged...”

“Agreed....Lock and Load...Molon Labe...”

Seconded. A whole LEGION.

Not “Better Dead than Red” - rather, “Better the Red be Dead”...

“No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country...he won it by makeing the other dumb bastard die for HIS country” (or ideology, etc.).
- General George Patton

LFOD


34 posted on 10/17/2009 10:06:22 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By any means necessary.)
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To: spycatcher

I’m here for the pictures. Kalashnikova? Doesn’t she play tennis?


35 posted on 10/17/2009 10:09:33 AM PDT by RGSpincich
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To: Strategy
Gorbachev said in November, 1987: “Gentleman, Comrades, do not be concerned about all you hear about glasnost and perestroika and democracy in the coming years. These are primarily for outward consumption. There will be no significant internal change within the Soviet-Union, other than for cosmetic purposes. Our purpose is to disarm the Americans and let them fall asleep.”

Obama cancels the missile shield, the F-22, and many other defense cuts. And, uh, er, oh, let's get rid of our Nukes too. That would send a definite message of Peace and maybe I'll get a second Nobel Peace Prize. I'll be famous as the appeasement President that brought Peace to the World!

Sounds like we're following the Kremlin playbook. A very dangerous path. So, now what?

36 posted on 10/17/2009 10:13:36 AM PDT by Art in Idaho
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To: snarks_when_bored
"Just wait until Obama orders the decommissioning of all Boomers..."

If he was silly enough to do so, expect a military coup.

The boomers are the BEDROCK of the US deterrent. Without them we are sitting ducks.

37 posted on 10/17/2009 10:46:17 AM PDT by Mariner
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To: spycatcher

Just wait until Obama really starts implementing his Marxist takedown plans for America to see what I mean.
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Ummm, I think he started that in November of 2008, if not sooner.


38 posted on 10/17/2009 11:33:26 AM PDT by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Mariner

If he was silly enough to do so, expect a military coup.
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I would welcome that. They can ship him back to Kenya where he belongs. He can take all of his Pinko pals with him too.


39 posted on 10/17/2009 11:44:09 AM PDT by mojitojoe (“Medicine is the keystone of the arch of socialism.” - Vladimir Lenin)
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To: Thunder90
I wonder what sort of stuff the Russians, Chinese, and other hostile nations have been able to gain because of the lack of security within our intelligence and defense structures caused by Obama and co.

Yeah, pretty scary when you think Obama doesn't even have a Security Clearance and there's all those mid level commie functionaries at the White House and elsewhere in DC having access to all kinds of Top Secrets. What are they doing with the information?

40 posted on 10/17/2009 12:37:03 PM PDT by Art in Idaho
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To: spycatcher

41 posted on 10/17/2009 12:57:34 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: spycatcher

I wonder if she is any relation to Mikhail Kalashnikov, the developer of the AK-47 rifle series? I know many Russian females put an “a” at the end of the surname.


42 posted on 10/17/2009 3:18:48 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Woodrow Wilson should have been waterboarded.)
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To: Mariner; Braak
If he was silly enough to do so, expect a military coup.

I'd welcome that. After six months to a year after the coup, the best thing to do is call for new Federal elections across the board with new people from Congress to the Senate to the President. The Joint Chiefs along with the State governors, could run the interim government. Anybody who has served in those capacities will be barred for running for those offices for life. I used to work in IT and like a computer that has gotten slow, we do need a reformat the hard drive, reinstall the operating system at a minimalist level and reboot.
43 posted on 10/17/2009 3:26:31 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Woodrow Wilson should have been waterboarded.)
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To: April Lexington
With barely a peep out of the Pubbie leadership one can't help but wonder - are they in on it? Have they been, from day one? Sad commentary of the times when the only ones screaming are the TV and Radio Talk Shows! Most of the Pubbie politicos are strangely silent.
44 posted on 10/17/2009 3:55:01 PM PDT by Eighth Square
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To: The Comedian

45 posted on 10/17/2009 5:31:11 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: Thunder90

Oh and yeah, the Chinese dial 911 and the Russians—err Soviets (and their allies) come to the rescue...


46 posted on 10/17/2009 5:32:04 PM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: Thunder90

47 posted on 10/17/2009 6:44:54 PM PDT by The Comedian (Evil can only succeed if good men don't point at it and laugh.)
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To: glide625

Not so odd if you have been watching putty-pute. He is building an alliance of our enemies and he is sticking his fingers in our eyes every chance he gets.


48 posted on 10/17/2009 6:54:54 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Melchior
Our wealthy elites created Marxism and the Soviet Union? Now there is an historical thesis I would like you to prove.

I don't have to. It is a matter of historical record. Even Orwell wrote about it in Homage to Catalonia.

49 posted on 10/17/2009 7:29:36 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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To: Melchior
Now there is an historical thesis I would like you to prove.

I'll tell you what, I'll even be nice and give you a dandy example of what I'm talking about. I won't even stoop to how European banking families funded Lenin; I'll work off an example here in the USA.

A Marxist railroad attorney and former ambassador to Germany acting as the Clerk of the US Supreme Court added a headnote to an opinion (Santa Clara v. Southern Pacific) that became the precedent giving corporations equal protection to people as "persons" under the 14th Amendment: Kelo and the 14th Amendment: Exploring a Constitutional Koan. The decision was key to developing the corporate robber barony that became the tax-exempt foundations running environmental NGOs today.

50 posted on 10/17/2009 8:52:52 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Grovelnator Schwarzenkaiser, fashionable fascism one charade at a time.)
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