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Declassified Ike documents show '50s not so serene
AP on Yahoo ^ | 7/29/09 | John Milburn - ap

Posted on 07/29/2009 1:39:39 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

TOPEKA, Kan. – President Dwight D. Eisenhower grappled with topics like relations with Iran and stability in Iraq during an era that was far more complex than thought, newly declassified documents show.

The papers illustrate that the 1950s, long viewed as an idyllic time of "I Love Lucy" and cars with tail fins, were fraught with delicate policy challenges.

"What's ironic is that the issues that Eisenhower was dealing with 50 or so years ago are the issues that the Obama administration is dealing with today," Eisenhower Presidential Library director Karl Weissenbach said Wednesday.

"The records show the U.S. has long been concerned over its relationship with the Muslim world."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 1950s; declassified; documents; ike
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1 posted on 07/29/2009 1:39:40 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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Ike baby here. ‘54


2 posted on 07/29/2009 1:40:40 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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To: NormsRevenge

Who with a functioning brain thought that ‘any’ period in history was ‘serene’?


3 posted on 07/29/2009 1:41:32 PM PDT by Borges
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To: NormsRevenge
Ike baby here. ‘54

Ike was your dad?

/s

4 posted on 07/29/2009 1:42:11 PM PDT by SIDENET ("Join me or die. Can you do any less?" -Mr. Sparkle)
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To: NormsRevenge

“What’s ironic is that the issues that Eisenhower was dealing with 50 or so years ago are the issues that the Obama administration is dealing with today,” Eisenhower Presidential Library director Karl Weissenbach said Wednesday.”

Barike Eisenbama


5 posted on 07/29/2009 1:44:19 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (Take a fish boating.)
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To: NormsRevenge

What’s ironic is that the issues that Eisenhower was dealing with 50 or so years ago are the issues that the Obama administration is dealing with today

What is ironic is that the issues were dealt with back then with out the Government creating daily crisies, taking over private busineses etc.


6 posted on 07/29/2009 1:44:30 PM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: NormsRevenge

I first showed up in ‘54 too.


7 posted on 07/29/2009 1:44:50 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 ( ...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: NormsRevenge
… an era that was far more complex than thought by liberals…

Fixed. 60 years later and libs still don't understand what happened during what they view as a black hole in time between Truman and Kennedy, with the one blip on the radar being the Godzilla-like rampage of Sen. McCarthy.
8 posted on 07/29/2009 1:45:20 PM PDT by Terpfen (FR is being Alinskied. Remember, you only take flak when you're over the target.)
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To: NormsRevenge


Duck & Cover boys and girls
9 posted on 07/29/2009 1:48:47 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: NormsRevenge
"The records show the U.S. has long been concerned over its relationship with the Muslim world."

It was Ike who basically decided that Saudi Arabia would be the richest nation on the planet and allowed those camel riding pedophile worshiping savages to nationalize an American company.

F*** Ike.

10 posted on 07/29/2009 1:49:19 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Terpfen

“60 years later and libs still don’t understand what happened during what they view as a black hole in time between Truman and Kennedy, with the one blip on the radar being the Godzilla-like rampage of Sen. McCarthy.”

Ha ha, beautiful. :)


11 posted on 07/29/2009 1:49:26 PM PDT by villagerjoel (1. Implement socialist policies 2. ??? 3. Heaven on earth)
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To: Terpfen

I wonder if any of the documents dealt with “Operation Keelhaul”. The forced repatriation of the Don Cossacks
back to the Soviet Union.
Hundreds, perhaps thousands, committed suicide rather than
return and of the thousands that were returned most were
either shot or sent off to the Siberian Gulag, women and
children included.


12 posted on 07/29/2009 1:49:40 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: NormsRevenge

The AP asshats just now found out that the US and Ike were concerned with “Iran and Iraq”? Have these ignoramuses ever opened a history book? This stuff is news to them?

SHEESH!

And BTW Ike had the balls to support a pro-Western coup in Iran. Obama has not.

That’s the difference.


13 posted on 07/29/2009 1:50:06 PM PDT by SolidWood (Sarah Palin: "Only dead fish go with the flow!")
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To: Monterrosa-24

There seems to be a lot of us ‘54’s on FR.


14 posted on 07/29/2009 1:50:31 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Liberty Valance

must have been a cold winter in 53-54


15 posted on 07/29/2009 1:51:49 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard)
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To: NormsRevenge
When I was born in '54 Ike was Prez (lots of negatives but tons better than Obozo), Marciano was heavy champ, and one could mail order Lugers in good condition for $40 (no FFL required). 1955 Winchester advert
16 posted on 07/29/2009 1:51:59 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 ( ...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I have been reading newspapers from the 30s while doing research on a sports topic. I can’t resist reading the front page headlines. The issues that Eisenhower faced were the same in the 30s and are the same today.


17 posted on 07/29/2009 1:54:11 PM PDT by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: Lurker
It was Ike who basically decided that Saudi Arabia would be the richest nation on the planet and allowed those camel riding pedophile worshiping savages to nationalize an American company.

F*** Ike.

False.

The Saudis threatened to nationalize Aramco in 1950 (President Truman). It was in the 1970's when they started to take control over more and more shares of Aramco. They nationalized it in 1980.

18 posted on 07/29/2009 1:54:52 PM PDT by SolidWood (Sarah Palin: "Only dead fish go with the flow!")
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To: Liberty Valance

Duck & Cover boys and girls

Under Obama, these kids are bowing toward Mecca.


19 posted on 07/29/2009 1:57:09 PM PDT by Jack Wilson
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To: Liberty Valance

Oh, that’s me, second row right.

Duck ‘n cover!

And those mid-day air raid siren tests were ongoing right up to 1970.


20 posted on 07/29/2009 1:57:20 PM PDT by angkor
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To: NormsRevenge
during an era that was far more complex than thought, newly declassified documents show.

AP writers didn't know the Korean War was complex?

Typical.

21 posted on 07/29/2009 1:59:14 PM PDT by what's up
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To: NormsRevenge

Not to mention the 1950s cold war ‘iron curtain’ and duck and cover nuke drills and all that. Not to mention the lousy economy in early-mid 50s.


22 posted on 07/29/2009 2:01:49 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: angkor
Correction:

And those mid-day air raid civil defense siren tests were ongoing right up to at least 1970.

23 posted on 07/29/2009 2:06:35 PM PDT by angkor
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To: NormsRevenge

Nostalgia is a funny thing. A young friend of mine (he’s around 23 or so) said he was a big fan of eighties music. “Life seemed much simpler then.”I was 14 in 1980.

“We all thought we were going to die in a nuclear war.” I said. Plus AIDS was scaring everyone, and we’d get the scare enviornmental story of the week.


24 posted on 07/29/2009 2:07:44 PM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: NormsRevenge

We generally have a VERY selective memory of what our “golden years” were. The 1950s had VERY high income tax rates, a largely stagnant stock market, smaller houses, not as much easy credit/disposable income (the last one may not be such a good thing).


25 posted on 07/29/2009 2:09:22 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: SolidWood

Thanks for the correction. Another reason to loathe Truman.


26 posted on 07/29/2009 2:09:25 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Lurker
Truman was clueless about the level of communist infiltration in his own government. He was a machine politician from Kansas City who was thrust into the Presidency by the death of FDR.

I still would have supported Robert Taft over Ike (who was a Democrat for most of his previous years), but Ike was SANE compared to most of the nuts and flakes we have today, Left or Right.

27 posted on 07/29/2009 2:11:58 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: SolidWood
And we are paying for that coup today - in blood.

Just Like Ike fired up Laos and a small placed Vietnam - we had a spot of trouble there as well. Tho I blame the French more for the war.

I'm sure if we looked at almost any major political decision made since the end of WWI, we would find the seeds of the trouble we face today....

28 posted on 07/29/2009 2:13:25 PM PDT by ASOC (Cave quid dicis, quando, et cui)
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To: NormsRevenge

Same here.


29 posted on 07/29/2009 2:17:50 PM PDT by painter (No wonder democrats don't mind taxes.THEY DON'T PAY THEM !)
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To: ASOC
And we are paying for that coup today - in blood.

We are paying for Carter's betrayal of the Shah 1977-80 - in blood.

The 1953 coup was done by the Iranian military to take down an illegal usurper dicator (just like Honduras today). The US wisely chose to support the pro-US side (army and monarchists), instead of letting Iran at the height of the cold war (just turned hot in Berlin and Korea) fall to the Soviets by supporting that clown Mosaddeq and his merry gang of opportunists and Communist rioters.

I can imagine the hues and cries had Ike decided not to side with the pro-Western forces in Iran. Though choice it was... and it did not have to lead to the Revolution 1979.

30 posted on 07/29/2009 2:20:22 PM PDT by SolidWood (Sarah Palin: "Only dead fish go with the flow!")
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To: NormsRevenge

I’m a ‘54 model as well...


31 posted on 07/29/2009 2:20:38 PM PDT by Lando Lincoln
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Tough choice...


32 posted on 07/29/2009 2:21:46 PM PDT by SolidWood (Sarah Palin: "Only dead fish go with the flow!")
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To: NormsRevenge

Truman/Ike baby cusp, me. Born just days after the election.

The night I came home from the hospital, a new episode of “I Love Lucy” was on TV. It was the one where the Ricardos “help” paint and refurbish the Mertz’ apartment. Lucy wants to recover the furniture and there are feathers everywhere. Fred comes in and turns on a fan to dry the wall paint and it blows the feathers all over the freshly painted room.

Everybody happy and laughing in my new home. New baby; new episode of “I Love Lucy”; a big celebration! I had a very happy childhood. :)


33 posted on 07/29/2009 2:28:30 PM PDT by floralamiss
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To: SolidWood

thanks - I failed to bring up the Carter mistake.


34 posted on 07/29/2009 2:29:41 PM PDT by ASOC (Cave quid dicis, quando, et cui)
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To: Our man in washington

In 1980, I was 28 and herpes was the really big scare; AIDS became a bigger deal for heterosexuals about four years later.


35 posted on 07/29/2009 2:32:31 PM PDT by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: NormsRevenge

Winter of ‘51-’52 in New York wasn’t too great either apparently. I was born in August, 1952.


36 posted on 07/29/2009 2:33:35 PM PDT by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: NormsRevenge
"What's ironic is that the issues that Eisenhower was dealing with 50 or so years ago are the issues that the Obama administration is dealing with today," Eisenhower Presidential Library director Karl Weissenbach said Wednesday.

The difference is that adults were in charge back in the 50's.

37 posted on 07/29/2009 2:37:02 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Ike baby here. ‘54

Me too. Also a former Marine.

38 posted on 07/29/2009 2:37:50 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: 12Gauge687

The Red Cross list of questions for potential blood donors treats 1977 as the beginning of the AIDS epidemic in the US (they bar men who have had sexual contact with another man even once since 1977). I think AIDS first began to be reported in the news about the beginning of 1981.


39 posted on 07/29/2009 2:49:43 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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You are probably correct. But it didn’t become much of a concern for us heteros until about ‘84 or after, when the news media started saying, “It could happen to anyone” (which was never true). It was a big lie to garner support and federal dollars for a disease which was predominantly affecting gays in this country. Heterosexual males in Africa were most affected due to transient behavior.


40 posted on 07/29/2009 2:56:28 PM PDT by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: NormsRevenge
Here are paratroopers of the 101st Airborne doing some unpleasant government work in Arkansas. That Korean War was kind of nasty also, the vast amount of imminent domain takings for the Interstate Highway system that we all enjoy also entailed a certain amount of bloodshed and violence.

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41 posted on 07/29/2009 3:05:48 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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I think you're right about when the epidemic started to get a lot of publicity and people started to worry about it spreading into the general population. The groups that were considered at risk at that time were homosexuals, Haitians, and hemophiliacs. That the gays wanted to scare everyone else into thinking they were at risk so that more money would be spent on the disease is no doubt right--at the same time they were resisting efforts to shut down bath houses even though those were facilitating the spread of the disease.

In 1984 there were no tests to tell if blood was infected. In the summer of that year I went with several other people to give blood--they were obviously trying to screen out high-risk individuals and there was a question about AIDS. I remember there was a Jordanian man who didn't know what AIDS was so I explained it to him as a kind of venereal disease. They didn't want his blood for a different reason--malaria in Jordan.

43 posted on 07/29/2009 3:16:24 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: NormsRevenge

The assumption that the Eisenhower administration was inert is very wrong indeed. Unlike other presidents, Eisenhower adopted a military command style hierarchy during his presidency.

The reason things were so quiet, is because the administration used military efficiency to accomplish its goals quietly.

A properly run military command staff is a wonder to behold, and has been combat tested many times. Military people adore efficient staffs, because they are life and death important.


44 posted on 07/29/2009 4:10:33 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Lurker; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; Larry Lucido; Diplomat; ..
Re: It was Ike who basically decided that Saudi Arabia would be the richest nation on the planet and allowed those camel riding pedophile worshiping savages to nationalize an American company. F*** Ike.

Sadly, you do not know your 1950s history but that aside, have you ever considered what the world would be like today if, instead of Ike in the saddle from '52-'60, we'd have had Adlai Ewing Stevenson II as President?

Adlai was noted, you know, for his brilliant intellectual demeanor, his 'gifted' ever so eloquent oratory and his never ending promotion of liberal causes.

Sound... familiar?

45 posted on 07/29/2009 4:23:26 PM PDT by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: NormsRevenge

Eisenhower single-handedly destroyed the French and British empires by intervening on the Egyptian side during the Suez Canal Crisis. From then on, any problem around the world became America’s problem. And European public opinion swung decisively against America in all American interventions abroad.


46 posted on 07/29/2009 4:35:06 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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“Adlai was noted, you know, for his brilliant intellectual demeanor, his ‘gifted’ ever so eloquent oratory and his never ending promotion of liberal causes.”

One of the great liberal myths of all time, Adlai’s brilliance. He flunked out of Harvard Law (Dean Griswold kept his records a secret) and was nothing better than average at Princeton and Northwestern.

Nothing wrong with being an average student, until the press perpetuates a myth that you’re brilliant beyond words.

Kennedy is another great liberal myth, with his ghostwritten books and his bogus Pulitzer.


47 posted on 07/29/2009 4:35:58 PM PDT by nyc1
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To: NormsRevenge
And another way Obama is just like Ike: golfing... /s

(Notice how the Dems are co-opting another Repub president?)


48 posted on 07/29/2009 5:02:06 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (Obama promised a gold mine, but he will give us the shaft.)
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To: Borges
"Who with a functioning brain thought that ‘any’ period in history was ‘serene’? "

My thought exactly!

And any comparison the the wimpish issues-bungler now occupying the WH completely neglects the "backbone & balls" factor.

49 posted on 07/29/2009 5:04:22 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: NormsRevenge

It seemed “serene” because ADULTS WERE IN CHARGE!

An old argument comes to mind: was Kennedy a better leader for handling the Cuban Missile Crisis, or was Ike a better leader since the USSR never would’ve thought of pulling that crap on his watch?


50 posted on 07/29/2009 5:06:29 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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