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The Birth Certificate -- Cornerstone of a Feeble House of Cards
His Master's Voice | 7/2=9/09 | HMV

Posted on 07/29/2009 3:27:41 PM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid

After the not-so-subtile attack on birthers over the last week by the Obama lapdog media and MoveOn crowd, it is clear that the battle lines are drawn. The original birth certificate is THE wobbling cornerstone in a feeble house of cards.

Anyone who has ever been deceived knows that when the accused is confronted with the truth, the screaming gets louder, the accused attempts to become the accuser, a the facts are obfuscated in any way possible. In short, the accused tries to take control of the argument.

We're faced with a President who is doing the irrational...spending hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars preventing us from seeing what he alleges to be the same (the Birth Certificate) as the Certification Of Live Birth that he has already provided. If it contains the same information, what is the problem, sir? You doth protest too much!

We don't know what the issue is, but there is something particularly incendiary on the original Birth Certificate that may start a fiery information avalanche.

All the signs are there...missing documents, obsession with sealing documents and records, allegations of tampering with records, repeated denials, contradictions, and facts that just don't seem to add up. Anyone who has followed this situation and has an ounce of intellectual curiousity has to question just who is this person, and how did he get to where he is?

Stand fast, birthers, we are under assault because they must know that this battle is the pivitol one. We have a right to know who is occupying the top office in the land, and we have a right and an obligation to use the laws of this country to force the truth if it is not provided to us.


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1 posted on 07/29/2009 3:27:41 PM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

As for me, I’m standing firm on this. Truth will not change. Lies change all the time.

this man is a counterfeit


2 posted on 07/29/2009 3:29:20 PM PDT by bareford101 (the obamanation is a COUNTERFEIT with a COUNTERFEIT birth cert. & 39 different ss cards)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Obama’s refusal to release any of his documents that either prove or disprove his eligibility to be President is a double-edged sword. If he were to sue any of us who think he is a commie, marxist, fraud, traitor, America-hater, racist, charlatan, puppet for George Soros, then all of those documents would be discoverable in a court of law. This means that he can be accused by the American people and our websites of every unethical move he makes or has made and he dare not allow himself to come under any court of competent jurisdiction.

I WANT THAT FRAUD OUT OF MY WHITE HOUSE!


3 posted on 07/29/2009 3:30:06 PM PDT by Stayfree (REWARD FOR OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE.COM)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Yup, something sure smells Obama-y in his story.


4 posted on 07/29/2009 3:30:37 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

tag


5 posted on 07/29/2009 3:31:37 PM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
Anyone who has ever been deceived knows that when the accused is confronted with the truth, the screaming gets louder,

When you throw a rock at a pack of dogs the one that howls the loudest is the one that you hit!

6 posted on 07/29/2009 3:32:44 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
If it contains the same information, what is the problem, sir? You doth protest too much!

Were it not for the delay and obfuscation, I probably would have been satisfied if he just waived his right to privacy so that mere mortals could request and obtain their own certified copies of what he has supposedly shown on the internet.

ML/NJ

7 posted on 07/29/2009 3:35:48 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

I stand with you — and with the Constitution!


8 posted on 07/29/2009 3:36:53 PM PDT by bethtopaz (www.rapturealert.com)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
Good post!

Please note: 'subtle'. Subtile is a real word, but you tend to see it only in posts about Eschatology :0)

9 posted on 07/29/2009 3:37:01 PM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

I want the transparency that was promised.


10 posted on 07/29/2009 3:37:10 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

This says it all. I don’t know WHAT is on that long form birth certificate that he wants to keep secret, but the very fact that he is willing to spend (or someone else is willing to spend) hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep it secret means I damn sure want to KNOW.

They can’t keep this secret forever. The truth will find its way out somehow.


11 posted on 07/29/2009 3:37:12 PM PDT by Ronin (It will be helpful if Geithner can show us some arithmetic.)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2303876/posts


12 posted on 07/29/2009 3:39:13 PM PDT by Typical_Whitey (Imagine if Bush had said the police acted stupidly when a black cop arrests a mouthy KKK member.)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

The birth announcements in the newspapers clinched it for me. And I think this issue is harming the GOP.

But at the same time. It seems weird that he won’t release the original and has spent millions prtoecting it.

I’m guessing it leads to something else.


13 posted on 07/29/2009 3:39:29 PM PDT by nhwingut (The media's love affair with Obama reminds me of a dog humping a telephone pole.)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
Lou Dobbs is going to be on BOR tonight.

If he shows up unprepared and blows it, I'm going to get the feeling feeling he set it all up to make us look like fools.

I hope I'm wrong, but he better be armed to the teeth with facts and show up Orly for the fool he is on this issue.

14 posted on 07/29/2009 3:39:35 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Move over NetZero - Obama's in the house!)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Can these records be tampered with?


15 posted on 07/29/2009 3:39:48 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: bethtopaz

With time and more and more corruption in the “Chicago Way White House” the demand from “We The People” will get louder and more insistent. This issue is not going away.
There is too much hidden by “this most transparent POTUS.”


16 posted on 07/29/2009 3:40:00 PM PDT by bethtopaz (www.rapturealert.com)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
"We don't know what the issue is, but there is something particularly incendiary on the original Birth Certificate that may start a fiery information avalanche. "

Yep...an issue that has cost the oscumbo gangsters hundreds of thousands of dollars....at least.

Nothing to hide? Walk in to the nearest court hearing the matter and hand the judge a birth certificate.

Then, when we find out that both his birthplace AND parentage comply with the former Constitution, he can come to my house and I'll buy him a beer.
(Just won't drink it with him since I have a rule about associating with known, stinking, scumbag, commies.)

17 posted on 07/29/2009 3:40:02 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

for later


18 posted on 07/29/2009 3:40:03 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: nhwingut
The birth announcements in the newspapers clinched it for me

Relatives put announcements in the paper all of the time, they don't mean a thing, not to mention there is no obummer connection to that address.

But I think I've seen you raise this before and had it answered too.....

19 posted on 07/29/2009 3:42:30 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Move over NetZero - Obama's in the house!)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Count me as a Birther. At this point I don’t care who assumes the Presidency after Obama is kicked out, I just want a Legit President in office.

Obama is an Usurper.


20 posted on 07/29/2009 3:42:44 PM PDT by Danae (I AM JIM THOMPSON - Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Excellent post. I am not going anywhere until this issue is resolved and all of Obama’s records are released for every person in this country to see.


21 posted on 07/29/2009 3:46:01 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Re: “spending hundreds of thousands if not millions...” Is there a source link for this? Not challenging you—just curious as this assertion appears frequently in the comments following BC stories.


22 posted on 07/29/2009 3:50:39 PM PDT by whinecountry (Semper Ubi Sub Ubi)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
All the signs are there...missing documents, obsession with sealing documents and records, allegations of tampering with records, repeated denials, contradictions, and facts that just don't seem to add up. Anyone who has followed this situation and has an ounce of intellectual curiousity has to question just who is this person, and how did he get to where he is?

All this shadiness makes the late, paranoid Mr. Nixon look like the Sunshine Man personified. Yet the libs couldn't give a care.

23 posted on 07/29/2009 3:51:00 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Democrat Party: a criminal organization masquerading as a political party)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

the records are on a computer they can be messed with...were telling everyone what is wrong with what we have seen.
when he does produce one I bet it has all the eyes dotted and T’s crossed


24 posted on 07/29/2009 3:51:51 PM PDT by jrd
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
You can gauge how valuable an asset is by how vigorously it is defended. The left has been going all out, using every trick in their book to ward off demands that Obama produce the original BC. They avoid especially explaining why he won't produce it, instead taking the offense to the birthers to discredit them, so as to avoid the question.

Our question needs be repeated like a mantra:

Why won't Obama release the Birth Certificate?

25 posted on 07/29/2009 3:52:55 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: Plutarch

BTTT


26 posted on 07/29/2009 3:55:42 PM PDT by Jane Austen (Boycott the Bahamas!)
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To: Danae

I swear Hillary would be a huge step up. Never thought I would say that much less think it, but I have for quite some time.


27 posted on 07/29/2009 4:03:57 PM PDT by SaintDismas
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To: whinecountry
See Perkins Coie LLP on this list (0bama’s lawyers)
$688,316.42
http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2009/Q1/C00431445/B_PAYEE_C00431445.html

Dang! He paid his caterer almost that much for the inaugural shindig. Guess it's no big deal.

Ridgewells Susan Lacz, Principal - $659,062.24

28 posted on 07/29/2009 4:05:33 PM PDT by smokingfrog (No man's life, liberty or property is safe while the legislature is in session. I AM JIM THOMPSON)
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To: nhwingut

It’s not the fact that he hasnt released a copy of the birth certificate that’s troubling, but the lengths he has gone to, to keep all personal info private. Which leads to the question............

Who is Barrack Obama??

Original birth certificate — Not released
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Besuki School application — Released
Punahou School records — Not released
Selective Service Registration — Released and under suspicion
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport (Pakistan) — Not released
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None (maybe 1, unsigned?)
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None


29 posted on 07/29/2009 4:05:50 PM PDT by mouse1
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
Obama would rather ruin an honorable soldier's life (Major Cook) than do the right and easy thing and release his birth certificate for all to see. How hard can that be - if he is legitimate and telling the truth?

To me, that tells me all I need to know about this pond scum sh!tbag and his reprehensible, vicious, thuggish handlers.

30 posted on 07/29/2009 4:05:50 PM PDT by Gritty (We are either going to stop Obama or the United States is going to cease to exist - Alan Keyes)
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To: Ronin

So do we all, but that BC business will probably have to be left to the historians. He has family skeletons in his closet as well as purely private ones, and public ones. It doesn’t mean that we have a right to know them all.

We can demand some things legitimately but not others.


31 posted on 07/29/2009 4:08:37 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: Stayfree

So do we all, but there are ways and there are ways. This BC business isn’t very helpful.


32 posted on 07/29/2009 4:09:50 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: nhwingut

The birth announcements in the newspapers mean absolutely nothing.

Most likely Stanley Ann’s parents phoned them in, something which is frequently done. It’s not the kind of thing that a newspaper would bother to check, beyond the fact that these were family members who were reporting it.

It is also possible that the two announcements were forged. They can only be seen on microfilm in a library in Hawaii, and we know that they had been taken out by interested parties. Those were Hawaiian newspapers, and it’s unlikely that there are more than a few microfilm deposits anywhere. Maybe the Library of Congress—though that is doubtful. Maybe the newspapers’ morgues. Maybe one or two libraries in Hawaii. It wouldn’t be hard at all to fake the evidence—which has been plausibly argued in several websites.

But if you went into a DMV office or a passport office and offered something like that as evidence, they’d laugh you right out of the place. By itself—without hospital records or original documentation—it proves absolutely nothing.

Finally, several investigations have suggested beyond reasonable doubt that Obama’s family never lived at the address given in the newspaper announcements.


33 posted on 07/29/2009 4:10:29 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: nhwingut

Thats my thought too.

The obvious suspicion is the identity of his father, and from that point all his associations. He has benefited, very curiously, from much charitable support his whole life (well, after the age of 10), from his Hawaiian private school to his college tuition and admissions.


34 posted on 07/29/2009 4:13:38 PM PDT by buwaya
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re: this issue is harming the GOP

If so, it's just one more thing on a long, and growing, list. The GOP is moribund. It it were a patient the family would be rushing to the bedside, turning the house upside down looking for the will, checking out headstones and the priest would be making his way to the patient's side.

The stakes in this are huge. Some things are big enough that other considerations have to take a back seat to them. If demanding that someone in the Oval Office prove he or she is eligible to be there damages one Party or the other then so be it. We have steadily moved away from the Constitution since the Great Depression. This is a matter that the Constitution addresses directly, black and white and in no way open to discussion. If we can turn our country upside down when the Supreme Court ‘discovers’ a right to privacy, and therefore abortion on demand, the certainly we can do as much for this matter.

The Constitution says it, the responsibility for problems arising from a segment of the population asking for affirmation falls on the one who refuses to provide the documentation, not those who stand on constitutional grounds seeking it.

Something is wrong, and we not only have a right to look to identify it, but a constitutional obligation to do so. If Obama and his people are unhappy about the whole thing they should take it up with the Founding Fathers.

35 posted on 07/29/2009 4:14:34 PM PDT by jwparkerjr (God Bless America!)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
Either the birth certificate rumors are true but this purported copy of Obama's Indonesian school registration form dated Jan 1, 1968 listing his place and date of birth as Honolulu on Aug 4, 1961 is false or, vice-versa.

Which is it?


36 posted on 07/29/2009 4:14:37 PM PDT by fso301
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To: smokingfrog

Thank you!


37 posted on 07/29/2009 4:15:34 PM PDT by whinecountry (Semper Ubi Sub Ubi)
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To: bethtopaz

On the contrary, this issue is a distraction from more relevant matters that are also hidden. It is bad messaging from our side to be obsessed with this one irrelevant detail when there is so much else to bring out.


38 posted on 07/29/2009 4:17:26 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: jwparkerjr

BTTT


39 posted on 07/29/2009 4:18:20 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Here's a fun thing to do if you have a few minutes. Do a Google for "Frank Marshall Davis" and "Frank Marshal Davis". He's reportedly Zer0's actual father. When will this stuff stop?

Mommy has some interesting pictures, too.

40 posted on 07/29/2009 4:22:42 PM PDT by jws3sticks (Sarah Palin forever!)
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To: Stayfree

Do ya think his Grandma...A Hawaiian Communist did it?


41 posted on 07/29/2009 4:23:08 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: buwaya
So do we all, but that BC business will probably have to be left to the historians. He has family skeletons in his closet as well as purely private ones, and public ones. It doesn’t mean that we have a right to know them all.

We can demand some things legitimately but not others.


Perhaps, but after what the Left did to Palin (and Bush, for that matter), it's no more Mr. Nice Guy.
42 posted on 07/29/2009 4:23:28 PM PDT by fr_freak
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
In the words of Ronald Reagan...


43 posted on 07/29/2009 4:23:46 PM PDT by frankenMonkey
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To: buwaya

You have it wrong, buwaya, I am not obsessed with this, but it is a concern and should not be ignored. He has hidden everything about himself. Why?

This is the most non-transparent president ever.

Why?

What else is he hiding?


44 posted on 07/29/2009 4:24:52 PM PDT by bethtopaz (www.rapturealert.com)
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To: Ronin

There may not be a long form. You do not need one to get the document he is showing. All you need is for a relative to apply and put a notice in the paper. Such as his Granma that lived there. His mom nor dad even had to be in Hawaii. Also African on the cert is not a race. Also his half sister who was certanly born in Indonesia supposedly has one too. Lots of foriegn born have those certs.


45 posted on 07/29/2009 4:27:22 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (!!)
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To: jwparkerjr

On the contrary, I think the administration is quite happy about it. It helps them paint all their opponents with the same brush - oppose Cap&Trade ? They must be the same bunch that obsess over his Birth Certificate, i.e., a bunch of kooks.

As for the argument about Constitutional purity, well, that barn door has been open for two centuries by some definitions, and there are way to many horses that have wandered off over the years. Nobody is going to gather them all back in again. The country hasn’t and will not turn anything “upside down’ for this cause or any other, not even Roe vs Wade.

Real politics is the art of the possible, not a religion.


46 posted on 07/29/2009 4:28:05 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: fso301

It’s interesting that the birth date is listed as 4-8-61. Im pretty sure that Europeans invert the month and day (they do d/m/y, I think), but I didn’t know that Asians followed that same rule.


47 posted on 07/29/2009 4:29:17 PM PDT by joejm65
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To: buwaya

Again - there is so much not known about this man. I re-post a comment in this thread that states my concerns:

It’s not the fact that he hasnt released a copy of the birth certificate that’s troubling, but the lengths he has gone to, to keep all personal info private. Which leads to the question............

Who is Barrack Obama??

Original birth certificate — Not released
Obama/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license — Not released
Soetoro adoption records — Not released
Besuki School application — Released
Punahou School records — Not released
Selective Service Registration — Released and under suspicion
Occidental College records — Not released
Passport (Pakistan) — Not released
Columbia College records — Not released
Columbia thesis — Not released
Harvard College records — Not released
Harvard Law Review articles — None (maybe 1, unsigned?)
Baptism certificate — None
Medical records — Not released
Illinois State Senate records — None
Illinois State Senate schedule — Lost
Law practice client list — Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles — None

29 posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 4:05:50 PM by mouse1
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48 posted on 07/29/2009 4:29:27 PM PDT by bethtopaz (www.rapturealert.com)
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To: fr_freak

There is no need to be a “nice guy”, but its best not to be a “dumb guy”. If we are going to have any effect it has to be with a message that is effective and does not backfire.


49 posted on 07/29/2009 4:31:49 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: joejm65
It’s interesting that the birth date is listed as 4-8-61. Im pretty sure that Europeans invert the month and day (they do d/m/y, I think), but I didn’t know that Asians followed that same rule.

Indonesia was a Dutch colony

50 posted on 07/29/2009 4:34:10 PM PDT by fso301
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