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Obama's birth certificate - MoveOn.com takes on Lou Dobbs
The Cherry Creek News ^ | July 29, 2009 | Staff

Posted on 07/29/2009 5:04:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

MoveOn is taking on Lou Dobbs and CNN: Why is CNN promoting right-wing paranoid conspiracy theories about President Obama's birth certificate?

The fringe ideas of the so-called "birthers" have been thoroughly debunked.1 But CNN host Lou Dobbs perpetuates these myths by constantly talking about them on his shows and asserting that Obama still needs to "produce a birth certificate."

This is not responsible journalism. Our friends at Media Matters have launched a campaign calling on CNN to address its Lou Dobbs problem — but a lot of us are going to have to speak out in order to get CNN's attention. Clicking here will add your name to their petition:

http://civ.moveon.org/stopdobbs/

The petition reads:

Dobbs' relentless promotion of outlandish conspiracy theories about President Barack Obama's birth certificate seriously damages CNN's credibility. It is time for "The Most Trusted Name in News" to prove it deserves viewers' trust. We the undersigned demand CNN address its Lou Dobbs problem in a credible manner. Numerous reporters, including CNN's own hosts, have debunked the idea that Obama wasn't really born in the U.S.2

Nevertheless, Dobbs has repeatedly claimed on both his television and radio shows that the birth certificate the president posted online more than a year ago has "some issues"3—and lashed out at "lily- livered lefties" who criticized him.

CNN's reputation is on the line. Their president, Jon Klein, has admitted that anyone who "is not convinced doesn't really have a legitimate beef"—but he has refused to correct the situation.4

CNN needs to hear that allowing Dobbs' to promote "birther" conspiracy theories is simply irresponsible. Please sign the petition by clicking here:

http://civ.moveon.org/stopdobbs/

Sources:

1, 2. "As Dobbs digs in, CNN rebuts, ridicules, distances itself from birth certificate claims." Media Matters for America, July 22, 2009. http://mediamatters.org/research/200907220035

"Born in the USA." FactCheck.org. November 1, 2009. http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

3. "Dobbs repeatedly makes Obama birth certificate claims his CNN colleagues call 'total bull'." Media Matters for America, July 17, 2009. http://mediamatters.org/research/200907170039

4. "Dobbs 2, CNN 0: CNN president Klein reportedly calls Dobbs' birther coverage 'legitimate'." Media Matters for America, July 25, 2009. http://mediamatters.org/blog/200907250009


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 527groups; afterbirthers; barackobama; bho44; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; colb; dobbs; imom; loudobbs; moveon; naturalborn; obama; obamanoncitizenissue; obroma; talkradio
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Looks like Mr. Soros has put his attack dogs on this.
1 posted on 07/29/2009 5:04:03 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Haven’t these idiots ever seen Star Wars? If they manage to take down Dobbs, they’ll only make him stronger.


2 posted on 07/29/2009 5:06:48 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I love in-fighting between the in-breeds


3 posted on 07/29/2009 5:09:04 PM PDT by shadeaud ("If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten." -- George Carlin)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

They should MOVE ON!

Sent to me in an e-mail

Everyone knows the FRAUD is not a “natural born” citizen….besides that he could also be an illegal alien…that is why we need to see the legal long form original birth certificate he says Hawaii has….don’t take your eye off the ball….)

Go here to watch the explanation…..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHwxk7ljJBE

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Did you know? Obama’s half sister, born in Indonesia, has a Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth

July 27, 12:08 AM

Maya Soetoro

Maya Soetoro was born to Indonesian businessman Lolo Soetoro and American cultural anthropologist Ann Dunham and half-sister to the 44th President of the United States , Barack Obama. While living in Indonesia, she was home schooled by her mother and then attended Jakarta International School and returned to Hawaii and attended the private Punahou School in Honolulu, Hawaii, graduating in 1988.

Besides being the First Sister Maya has a HawaiiaCertification of Live Birth despite be born in Jakarta Indonesia . Supposedly this certificate was used by the Daily Kos to forge an Obama version.
Anyone find it odd that Maya, undisputedly born in Indonesia , would have the same type of document as Barack Obama to forge?

“The road to truth is long, and lined the entire way with annoying bastards.”

~~~~~~~~~Alexander Jablokov


4 posted on 07/29/2009 5:09:17 PM PDT by FromLori (FromLori)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

5 posted on 07/29/2009 5:09:17 PM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom ;))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Panic mode ramping up, threatening riots right around the corner next.


6 posted on 07/29/2009 5:11:20 PM PDT by The Cajun (Mind numbed robot , ditto-head, Hannitized, Levinite)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"This is not responsible journalism. Our friends at Media Matters . . ."

LOL! Responsible journalism would investigate where the Messiah was born and demand precise documentation.

7 posted on 07/29/2009 5:11:39 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

ah someone has touched a nerve.

We now need more to mention this.


8 posted on 07/29/2009 5:13:15 PM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman , nothing else-- end racism end affirmative action)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
CNN's Numbers are spiraling down faster than Resident Obamah.

Has CNN unleashed Lou to create a story within a story that focuses more on the CNN problem-child than the 'non-story' birth certificate to gain viewers?

I've read where Lou has talked about it on Radio and CNN distanced itself from that non-CNN program.

9 posted on 07/29/2009 5:16:13 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Lou Dobbs is a big boy with a voice that is heard in the news media. Lou can take care of himself and some politicians may regret taking him on. Lou is starting to realize that he is hot on the trail of something big that the American people should know about and that can make him famous as a newsman.

Unless they threaten him or his family, he is not going to sit still and keep quiet. Welcome aboard Lou, the birthers need your voice.


10 posted on 07/29/2009 5:16:39 PM PDT by 353FMG (Death is Life without Freedom.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

it’s great that soros is giving legitimacy to this!
think about it...if there were nothing to it, why would anyone, including soros, give it the time of day.

soros is saying loudly/clearly “this is a threat that must be squashed”.

it must be a genuine threat


11 posted on 07/29/2009 5:20:00 PM PDT by mreerm
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Uh, yep... Seems Soros only comes out when the going gets a bit rough for his foot soldiers. If Dobbs has placed himself in Soros’ sights, you can bet it’s because he’s pushing for the truth.

The simple fact is that 0bama has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars to hide an issue that could be resolved for less than a hundred bucks. Smell like last week’s fish, IMO.

It’s time to take back the country.


12 posted on 07/29/2009 5:21:29 PM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2013: Change we can look forward to.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well, this pretty well cinches it up for the majority of the public...

http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‘i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”


13 posted on 07/29/2009 5:25:28 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It appears to me is that Ginsburg and Soros are supporting efforts to create a government like the one that exterminated 6 million people of their own race.


15 posted on 07/29/2009 5:38:17 PM PDT by antidemoncrat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Hey MoveOn.org...

If there’s no problem with that birth certificate, why has Omoslem spent $1 million on lawyers keeping it locked away?

Why don’t we SEE the birth certificate, admit the problem with it, then MOVE ON?

How can we MOVE ON before we see the document, and before Omoslem explains his $1 million investment in keeping it hidden from the American people?

Perhaps MoveOn.org should change its name to MoveOnNothingToSeeHere.org

Or TheseAren’tTheDroidsYou’reLookingFor.org

Or BaghdadBob.org

Or WeLieForCommies.org

Or SorosAdmitsHe’sANaziCollaboratorInHisAutobiography.org


16 posted on 07/29/2009 5:47:04 PM PDT by Islam=Murder (Omoslem, show us your original Birth Certificate!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How can George Soros ADMIT IN HIS AUTOBIOGRAPHY that he was a NAZI COLLABORATOR, then walk around taking positions on government issues?

Is this the man we want controlling the US Government?

Go check his autobiography — he ADMITS helping the NAZIS!


17 posted on 07/29/2009 5:49:08 PM PDT by Islam=Murder (Omoslem, show us your original Birth Certificate!!)
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To: The Cajun
Panic mode ramping up, threatening riots right around the corner next.

I need to get some range time in, just in case ...

18 posted on 07/29/2009 5:50:16 PM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Just your average Whitey bitterly clinging to my guns and religion! FUBO Racist Kenyan Usurper!)
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To: FromLori
Doesn't matter how many billions these red sons of bitches have behind them, the cat is out of the bag and its not going back in.

When it hits, its going to make the Lewinsky deal look like the good old days when at least you could count on the democrat socialist crook in the White House to at least be an American, and not a crypto-muslim mystery man hell bent on crippling the United States economy.

19 posted on 07/29/2009 5:56:41 PM PDT by Rome2000
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Question for Soros:

“Mister Soros, when you were collaborating with the NAZIS, as you admit in your autobiography, if German citizens asked to verify Hitler’s documents (and thus his position), would you have supported vetting Hitler’s documents?”

Follow-Up Question for Soros:

“Mister Soros, if Hitler spent 1 million deutchmarks hiding his birth certificate, would you have asked to see it? Or would you have told Germany to ‘Move On?’”


20 posted on 07/29/2009 5:59:36 PM PDT by Islam=Murder (Omoslem, show us your original Birth Certificate!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The fringe ideas of the so-called "birthers" have been thoroughly debunked.

This is a powerful assertion by a questionable organization. If they would stop calling names and actually take a look at the credibility of the issues and questions in connection with Obama's long-form birth certificate, they would agree with Mr. Dobbs, yes?

Just how has this "birther" question been debunked, thoroughly debunked? Can they untwist their thinking long enough to engage in an intelligent discussion? Or will they continue to shout their version of the truth as being true by fiat?

21 posted on 07/29/2009 6:00:12 PM PDT by olezip
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Battle Lines Drawn.

EAGLES UP!

22 posted on 07/29/2009 6:01:43 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (God Bless Our US Troops (Especially the Snipers). Active Duty, Reserve and Retired. Three Cheers!)
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To: 353FMG
I think he is a good journalist.

A good journalist is trained like a shark is set up to detect blood in the water. The minute a lie is being floated a good journalist detects the bullshit and then goes in for the kill, asking even more and more unrelenting questions while trapping the liar and exposing the truth. I think this is what is at work with Lou Dobbs and I think they have bitten off more than they can chew in getting on his case. It is akin to urinating in the wind. I think more and more is going to come out about former Senator Obama and this birth certificate cover up thing.

23 posted on 07/29/2009 6:04:19 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (God Bless Our US Troops (Especially the Snipers). Active Duty, Reserve and Retired. Three Cheers!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

anytime a libtard says 0bama’s birth certificate has been provided... just ask for the link... and say nothing else. don’t engage. just keep asking for the link.


24 posted on 07/29/2009 6:05:28 PM PDT by sten
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To: sten

and by link, i mean to the long form


25 posted on 07/29/2009 6:05:58 PM PDT by sten
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama’s birth certificate SCAM and COUP D’ETAT is much bigger than Watergate.

Hey commies, you can’t imagine anything bigger than Watergate?

How about the PRESIDENT, the AMERICAN MEDIA, and the DEMOCRAT PARTY, all conspiring to keep the President’s INeligible status from getting out?

I think that’s a bigger coverup, on a bigger issue, than Nixon and his merry band of thieves covering up a break-in/robbery.

And once 300 million Americans catch onto the Obama Hoax, how about pulling out all the stops to convince them “There’s nothing to see here, move along!”

Where are Woodward and Bernstein now? Why aren’t they digging around or plugging away on their typewriters in courier 12 point or meeting witnesses in parking garages?

Once 0commie is outed as a USURPER, will Robert Redford star in this movie?

There’s a con artist in the Oval Office. He’s spent $1 million covering up SOMETHING.

Stay tuned, Hollywood!


26 posted on 07/29/2009 6:09:28 PM PDT by Islam=Murder (Omoslem, show us your original Birth Certificate!!)
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To: mreerm
soros is saying loudly/clearly “this is a threat that must be squashed”. it must be a genuine threat

"Bomber Niner-One to base. Enemy flak is increasing. Approaching target. Over."

27 posted on 07/29/2009 6:14:59 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Star Traveler

Majority??? And you know this how??? Was a poll taken that I had no clue about asking the majority what they felt about this issue???

I want Doctors name, signatures of witnesses, hospital birthed in, passport he traveled on, documents changing his name, bar exam plastered in the newspaper stating in his own words that he never held any other name - what happened to Barry Soetoro?

Oh yeah, what about his Selective service papers? Oh so much!


28 posted on 07/29/2009 6:18:58 PM PDT by jcsjcm (Upholding the Constitution til my last breath)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

As Rush Limbaugh says:

“By their reaction, liberals always let you know when you hit a bull’s eye.”


29 posted on 07/29/2009 6:20:03 PM PDT by Islam=Murder (Omoslem, show us your original Birth Certificate!!)
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To: Star Traveler
Well, this pretty well cinches it up for the majority of the public...

"...Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen."

"Majority of the public", eh? And what department of the Propaganda Ministry did you get that data from?

Does that statement from the Hawaiian director do it for you? Are you going to accept it as proof positive? Or, would you still like to see the actual evidence?

30 posted on 07/29/2009 6:20:14 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

I’ll take the evidence please!

And thank you.....

:)


31 posted on 07/29/2009 6:23:50 PM PDT by jcsjcm (Upholding the Constitution til my last breath)
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To: jcsjcm

You said — Majority??? And you know this how???

LOL..., it’s a good thing they don’t have you running any campaigns... :-)

Oh, and I know what people want, but most of what you mentioned is something that gets worked out through the demands of an election. Once that election is over, there’s no more leverage for getting that stuff. It’s not going to happen.

As for the one particular part that does bear on this topic (the Constitutional requirements), that’s been answered now, and you’re not going to see anyone with any leverage to get the birth certificate since the State of Hawaii made their official announcement saying that Obama was born in Hawaii and that Obama is a natural-born American citizen.

The Constitution says that a candidate must be the following in order to qualify for the office. The candidate must ...

*be* 35 years or older
*be* a resident 14 years or more
*be* a natural born citizen

And Obama has sworn under oath that he *is* (as the Constitution says he must *be*)...

It does not say what is necessary to show it, prove it or what any means for “vetting” is. That’s up to the states themselves to vet and make sure that the candidates meet the qualifications.

And what they have done is sworn an oath that they are qualified..., Obama has, the other candidates have and they have in the past...

And in addition the State of Hawaii says that he *is* exactly what the Constitution says he must *be*...

http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‘i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

This shows that there is no Constitutional issue or question...

Outside of those qualifications, all else is a political matter and they can be dealt with in political terms...


32 posted on 07/29/2009 6:25:54 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
>>>The fringe ideas of the so-called “birthers” have been thoroughly debunked<<<
—Debunked how again? Only producing a legit BC can debunk questions if one exists.
33 posted on 07/29/2009 6:26:15 PM PDT by Shqipo (When Conservatives bicker and stay away from the polls, the country dies a little faster.)
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To: Islam=Murder
Where are Woodward and Bernstein now? Why aren’t they digging around or plugging away on their typewriters in courier 12 point or meeting witnesses in parking garages?

Oh, they're out there alright. It's just that the MSM Ministry of Propaganda won't let these types in the door, so they're all writing blogs and posting to FR.

34 posted on 07/29/2009 6:26:21 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Folks, I gotta be honest. I’m starting to get a bit ashamed of myself for questioning President Obama. He was elected fair and square, and some conservatives are just bitter a man of mixed race is in the White House.

Just kidding.

Omoslem is a low-down dirty piece of Marxist Commie crap, he’s the smoothest community agitator I’ve seen, he’s slicker than Jackson and Sharpton slapped together on a Crisco coated Slip-And-Slide, he’s ripping the USA to shreds, he’s a traitor to his country (IF his country turns out to be America), he bowed to his true leader the Saudi king, he was installed using billions of dollars from Nazi-collaborator George Soros who’s still running cover for Omoslem, and now his Fascist cabal has blown $1 million on lawyer fees to keep the incriminating evidence and documents locked from public view.

More on Omoslem HERE (Sound bites and his mother’s dirty photos):

http://www.mofopolitics.com/2009/02/09/audio-barack-obama-that-guy-aint-shit-and-more-2909/


35 posted on 07/29/2009 6:30:58 PM PDT by Islam=Murder (Omoslem, show us your original Birth Certificate!!)
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To: Islam=Murder

he’s slicker than Jackson
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

He’s slicker than snot.


36 posted on 07/29/2009 6:32:11 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Barry, who's your Daddy?

Here's a fun thing to do if you have a few minutes. Do a Google for "Frank Marshall Davis" and "Frank Marshal Davis". He's reportedly Zer0's actual father. When will this stuff stop?

Mommy has some interesting pictures, too.

37 posted on 07/29/2009 6:34:31 PM PDT by jws3sticks (Sarah Palin forever!)
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To: mreerm
it must be a genuine threat

The louder they scream, the more we need to dig our heels in and simply demand production of the BC. Contrary to that bogus article, nothing has been debunked- the fact is, he is still concealing his personal information from us.
38 posted on 07/29/2009 6:38:43 PM PDT by Canedawg ( "Government cant make you happy or healthy or wealthy or wise." - S. Palin)
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To: Star Traveler

So, what do you get for all of your hard work defending Obama’s “right” to obfuscate and withhold the basic information about his provenance from the American people?

What exactly is your reward for all of your naysaying and undermining of The People’s demands to get at the truth of this?


39 posted on 07/29/2009 6:47:54 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: al baby

Hey, I think the guy on the right is an old classmate. Happy to see he got his act together.
mc :-)


40 posted on 07/29/2009 6:51:14 PM PDT by mcshot (My President will be honest, transparent, open and have a legitimate birth certificate.)
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To: Windflier

It’s a old FReeper tradition, in that you “get your facts straight” and then maybe you can address the problem correctly...


The Constitution says that a candidate must be the following in order to qualify for the office. The candidate must ...

*be* 35 years or older
*be* a resident 14 years or more
*be* a natural born citizen

And Obama has sworn under oath that he *is* (as the Constitution says he must *be*)...

It does not say what is necessary to show it, prove it or what any means for “vetting” is. That’s up to the states themselves to vet and make sure that the candidates meet the qualifications.

And what they have done is sworn an oath that they are qualified..., Obama has, the other candidates have and they have in the past...

And in addition the State of Hawaii says that he *is* exactly what the Constitution says he must *be*...

http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‘i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

This shows that there is no Constitutional issue or question...

Outside of those qualifications, all else is a political matter and they can be dealt with in political terms...

And if you want to get the birth certificate and you realize that there is no legal requirement to show one, then you know that your next step is to get a state law that requires a candidate to show his birth certificate or else he cannot be on the ballot in that state.

The right information produces the right solution...


41 posted on 07/29/2009 6:55:01 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Dobbs' relentless promotion of outlandish conspiracy theories about President Barack Obama's birth certificate seriously damages CNN's credibility. It is time for "The Most Trusted Name in News" to prove it deserves viewers' trust. We the undersigned demand CNN address its Lou Dobbs problem in a credible manner. Numerous reporters, including CNN's own hosts, have debunked the idea that Obama wasn't really born in the U.S.2

*******

How about this response:

"We the undersigned demand that Obama allow Hawaii to release his 1961 long form birth certificate and allow Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard to release his records so that we can prove once and for all that Obama is who he says he is.

"We the undersigned also emphasize that if Obama does not release his long form birth certificate and his Occidental, Columbia, and Harvard college records, we won't vote for Obama in 2012.

"We the undersigned also emphasize that if Obama won't release his birth certificate and his college records, we will have a tough time voting for Democrat candidates for Senator and Representative in the upcoming 2010 elections."

42 posted on 07/29/2009 7:07:53 PM PDT by john mirse
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To: Star Traveler
Obama has sworn under oath that he *is* (as the Constitution says he must *be*)...

Well, I guess that's the ball game, folks. Obama has "sworn under oath" that he "really, really, really is qualified to hold the office of POTUS", and of course, he wouldn't lie about such a thing, would he?

I mean, it's perfectly reasonable to ignore the fact that he's withholding the very documents that can prove or disprove his claims, because we can trust him, right?

Come on folks, let's stop being so suspicious of Mr. Obama's motives for this unprecedented level of secrecy. Give a brother a break, would'ya? Let the man eat his waffle, already.

It's just downright unreasonable of us to ask him to release the same sort of documentary evidence that every other president in our history has provided without delay, and without question. I tell you, I'm beginning to think that all this hubbub about his birth certificate is simply racist.

Y'all just need to give Hope and Change™ a chance! So what if it's going to cost us Trillions and Trillions of Dollars out to several generations. Slap your kids upside the damn head if they complain about losing all hope for a future.

The One is now in charge of that, and he says we gotta trust him, so let's stop all this divisive talk about birth certificates, college records, passports, school transcripts, adoption records, selective service filings, fake COLBs and such, and get onboard with the New Obama Era of Transparency and Accountability!

It’s a old FReeper tradition, in that you “get your facts straight” and then maybe you can address the problem correctly...

Let's all thank Star Traveler for "getting the facts straight" for us!

43 posted on 07/29/2009 7:26:05 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Well, here are the facts that count for the Constitutional requirements issue...

http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf

“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‘i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”


44 posted on 07/29/2009 7:32:15 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler
Well, here are the facts that count for the Constitutional requirements issue...

So, you accept a government bureaucrat's press statement as a fact, which settles the Constitutional requirements issue?

Good Lord, man. Get real! That's not evidence. Court (or congressionally) approved evidence can only be provided by the actual document in question.

Now give us some real evidence, or get out of our White House.

45 posted on 07/29/2009 7:46:36 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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You said — So, you accept a government bureaucrat’s press statement as a fact, which settles the Constitutional requirements issue?

No, I put my faith in the State of Hawaii, who happens to be the *only place* — that *anyone* can get this original birth certificate information from anyway...

It’s a State of Hawaii document, it was originally recorded by the State of Hawaii, the State of Hawaii has kept it all these years, only the State of Hawaii can make anyone a “certified copy” of the original birth certificate, and it’s the State of Hawaii that has kept it safe and under their control for the entire time that Obama has been alive — so... when the State of Hawaii speaks on the issue — I know they know what they’re talking about...

And if the State of Hawaii can’t speak to the issue, then no one can, because the *only place* that *anyone* can get the information from (judge, Supreme Court, lawyer, Obama, or anyone) — is — the State of Hawaii itself.

So, yes..., I figure they know what they’re talking about... LOL...


46 posted on 07/29/2009 7:49:48 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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"...Well, this pretty well cinches it up for the majority of the public..."

You speak for "the majority of the public" now? Got a link verifying that you speak for the majority of the public on this issue? I've read your tireless efforts to sweep this issue under the rug, but making a statement that implies that you speak for the majority of the public on any issue does your cause, whatever it may be, no good.

But by all means, continue to claim that you speak for the majority on any issue.

47 posted on 07/29/2009 8:05:50 PM PDT by smedley64 (I was terrified of Obama. Now I'm just pissed.)
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To: smedley64

I don’t have to speak for them, I saw the numbers in the last election...


48 posted on 07/29/2009 8:10:29 PM PDT by Star Traveler (The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is a Zionist and Jerusalem is the apple of His eye.)
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To: Star Traveler
I put my faith in the State of Hawaii, who happens to be the *only place* — that *anyone* can get this original birth certificate information from anyway... So, yes..., I figure they know what they’re talking about...

You're a mighty trusting soul, Star Traveler.

I know you've been around the block a time or two. No doubt, you've read countless articles about the malfeasance and dishonesty of public officials, yet on this most important of issues, you choose to fully accept the word of a government bureaucrat as definitive truth, without question.

ST, that bureaucrat's word does not rise to the level of concrete evidence. In her defense, she could very well be speaking the truth as far as she knows it, but you and the American people should not settle for anything less than the actual hard evidence.

No court of law would permit a statement like hers to suffice for evidence when the actual thing was available, and neither should you.

49 posted on 07/29/2009 8:13:22 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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Anyone who watched O’Reilly tonight must now understand that we need to boost Dobbs’ ratings.


50 posted on 07/29/2009 8:14:52 PM PDT by Jedidah ("Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana)
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