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On Birthers, Obama, Muslims, and More (birth certificate is a distraction)
Red State ^ | July 29, 2009 | Erick Erickson

Posted on 07/29/2009 7:02:37 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative

I’ve said for a long time now that the fixation on Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a distraction.

I think Barack Obama is a natural born American citizen because his mother was indisputably an American citizen. I think he meets the residency requirements. And I think that Justice Scalia himself would not throw the President out of office now that he has been sworn in.

The issue is moot.

Fixating on it now is wasting time, precious time, when there are other issues on which those with time on their hands can fixate.

Barack Obama not releasing his birth certificate fits a pattern of non-disclosure from the man.

Most notoriously, Barack Obama allowed is campaign to accept foreign donations, a matter that got passing mention from the Washington Post and not much else.

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Conservative activists at Red State have declared this a distraction and a dead issue - and I agree.

There's no way to 'prove' anything here. Even if you produce evidence, do you think the military is gonna remove Obama from office just like in Honduras? Even if you 'win', you can't win.

Let's move on - we need all our energies focused on stopping ObamaCare and cap n' tax

1 posted on 07/29/2009 7:02:37 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: St. Louis Conservative

This probably gets asked all the time but which document did Obama use to get his passport when he was a young man?


2 posted on 07/29/2009 7:05:33 PM PDT by ansel12 (Romney (guns)"instruments of destruction with the sole purpose of hunting down and killing people")
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Who cares what he thinks?

We can walk and chew gum at the same time here..not sure what they do over at Red State.


3 posted on 07/29/2009 7:05:55 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: St. Louis Conservative

LOL I don’t think so.


4 posted on 07/29/2009 7:06:04 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

If Fidel Castro had an American parent and a Cuban parent and became POTUS; would you still feel the same way?

The issue is legitmate and real. All he has to do is show his real and verified bc.


5 posted on 07/29/2009 7:06:39 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

What perplexes me is why Conservatives did not bother to vet Obama before the election. Never in modern times have we elected a President about whom we know only what he has told us and whose personal records remain concealed.


6 posted on 07/29/2009 7:06:45 PM PDT by RobbyS (ECCE homo)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Nope, the issue is not “moot”, or not relative. IT IS VERY RELATIVE to the survival of this country. THIS MAN IS A COUNTERFIET who has set up his regime with his Commisars, as has been done before in Germany and Rssia. Call them what you will: Fascists, call them Socialists; call them Democrats..... BUT:

If this person was not vetted by Pelosi, as she swore he was, and He WILL NOT nor CANNOT prove that he is eligible, than both of them should go on trial for massive FRAUD!! What happens then to all these bills he is ramming down our throats?????? WE LIVED A LONG TIME W/O OMAMBACARE and CAP & TRADE.... WHAT THE heck is the rush?????? ALINKY perhaps?

First things first.... SHOW US THE REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE AND YOUR OTHER RECORDS AND THEN, and only THEN, will we shut up.

EVERYONE ELSE HAS TO PROVIDE A BIRTH CERTIFICATE. WHY ARE YOU SPECIAL? Beause you are a COUNTERFEIT.


7 posted on 07/29/2009 7:07:20 PM PDT by bareford101 (the obamanation is a COUNTERFEIT with a COUNTERFEIT birth cert. & 39 different ss cards)
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To: penelopesire
We can walk and chew gum at the same time here..not sure what they do over at Red State.

No kidding, I'm tired of hearing that crap from morons who apparently can't do more than one thing at a time.
8 posted on 07/29/2009 7:07:21 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

what is your take on why he just will not show what we are asking to see?


9 posted on 07/29/2009 7:08:00 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: bareford101

He’s not going to release it. Ever.

Just like he won’t release any of his other records - college transcripts, Annenberg board minutes, etc. It’s not going to happen and if you sue in court, the White House will claim executive privilege and/or their lawyers will bog the thing down in court.

Bottom line, it’ll never happen.

Time to move on!


10 posted on 07/29/2009 7:09:33 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Time to move on!

So Moveon.
11 posted on 07/29/2009 7:10:15 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Justice Scalia not voting to remove him, does not make the situation moot, nor does it make it go away.

This is a search for truth to ensure that the president of the US did not commit one of the most grevious frauds in history.

The best evidence has not been shown to the public or a court. The search for truth will carry on even after his death, if necessary. Truth is one of the most fundamental values. You and others have been worn down before that goal has been reached. So go away and we'll carry the water for you.

12 posted on 07/29/2009 7:10:49 PM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, passport, and school records.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Has anyone figured out yet that all those articles remonstrating the “birthers” for keeping the issue alive is keeping the issue alive?

I believe there have been more articles criticizing the birthers the past few days than articles advocating the birther positions.


13 posted on 07/29/2009 7:11:29 PM PDT by Will88 (<oi>)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Why would the military have to remove him if he’s really ineligible? At that point, isn’t fraud and conspiracy to commit a criminal matter? I’d think issuing a simple warrant would suffice.

I believe the Secret Service would “produce” him if it comes to that.


14 posted on 07/29/2009 7:12:02 PM PDT by Sylvester McMonkey McBean
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To: bobby.223

Because he’s an arrogant, corrupt, Chicago thug politician. Whatever the reasons, he’s not going to release it, and he won’t be forced to either because the White House always has ways of getting around such things.


15 posted on 07/29/2009 7:12:08 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: St. Louis Conservative

that is like saying, we can’t win, so why not just give up! That’s not my style. TRUTH is TRUTH and LIES change all the time. THIS Counterfeit will not win this battle. If we give this up, HE becomes a dictator with his czars and within a generation the US will not be recognizable as the free country it once was.

You can’t placate a LIAR and a THIEF and a MURDERER, they HAVE to be held accountable. Mr. Young and Mr. Harris are in their graves because of this Counterfeit, and I won’t have a share in their blood on my hands. Someone MUST be held accountable.


16 posted on 07/29/2009 7:12:50 PM PDT by bareford101 (the obamanation is a COUNTERFEIT with a COUNTERFEIT birth cert. & 39 different ss cards)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Ya know what?
I don’t give a rat’s anal portal what you think.

Eventually, truth will come out and we will
be proud to uphold our constitution.

Till then, Mo Fo


17 posted on 07/29/2009 7:13:03 PM PDT by bossmechanic (If all else fails, hit it with a hammer)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

I’m not necessarily a birther. However, I think it only prudent to question the eligibility of anyone who is in a position to make decisions about our country, taxes, military, health issues, etc., at the presidential level. Just say’n


18 posted on 07/29/2009 7:13:11 PM PDT by doc1019 (Next time you need help, don’t call a cop, call a liberal.)
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To: nufsed

Ok, thanks.

I’ll focus on stopping ObamaCare while you search for your white whale.


19 posted on 07/29/2009 7:13:33 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Don’t know about you but I’m not distracted, determined that the Constitution is followed yes, distracted, no


20 posted on 07/29/2009 7:14:08 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Move over NetZero - Obama's in the house!)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
a distraction

We can multi-task.

21 posted on 07/29/2009 7:15:00 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Many lge corp. successes started with a sm bus., an entrepreneur & a dream. 0 is killing that dream)
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To: RobbyS

‘What perplexes me is why Conservatives did not bother to vet Obama before the election.’

Conservatives (on FreeRepublic, anyway) were asking these questions before the election. The MSM wouldn’t touch the Berg/Corsi work with a 10 foot pole. It wasn’t until Lou Dobbs talked about it on his show recently did this issue get some mainstream coverage and start to gain some traction.


22 posted on 07/29/2009 7:15:19 PM PDT by joejm65
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Pity you don’t have time for both. Most of us do; and then some.


23 posted on 07/29/2009 7:16:10 PM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, passport, and school records.)
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To: RobbyS

I think it has to do with McCain and his bc.


24 posted on 07/29/2009 7:16:18 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

I remember very well how the watergate story started as a trickle, people kept digging and digging and soon it was the dominating event. I see nothing wrong with continued questioning of muslim BOY hussein’s status.


25 posted on 07/29/2009 7:17:22 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: Las Vegas Ron

another rino who only want to inforce the parts of the constitution that he see’s fit. so typical of rino’s long love the conservatives!!! the left hounded mccain and the right just sits by. what a joke. wake me up when armegeddon comes


26 posted on 07/29/2009 7:17:29 PM PDT by remaxagnt (`)
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To: joejm65

The “fix” was in from the beginning. Actually long before to have had such
power over so many. The dreamers, the victims, the disappointed, on and on.
The time was ripe and the puppet was magnificent.


27 posted on 07/29/2009 7:17:53 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (Many lge corp. successes started with a sm bus., an entrepreneur & a dream. 0 is killing that dream)
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To: RobbyS

Where were you? Conservatives were discussing this at the same time the dems brought this subject up about McCain. It is the media that let everyone down. They were all over McCain’s status like a bad rash but not a peep about Obama who has one parent who is not a US Citizen, went to school here but was never a US citizen. If we who served in the armed forces had to show our birth certificates so should hte man in the most powerful position who has the power to order us to combat. We have a right to know we are being given lawful orders. In my case, I was orphaned and then later adopted. I had to submit all my adoption papers etc to the recruiters and as a matter of fact the FBI did a background check before I was allowed to attend the officers candidate program..if I had to go through that so should the CIC.


28 posted on 07/29/2009 7:18:11 PM PDT by celtic gal (I think the democRATs should change their logo from a jackass to a RAT with a long tail.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

I’m not letting up on this issue. Or on all the other corrupt communist and Anti-American things Obama is doing. This guy is going to continue to get hammered until he ponies up the goods. As of now he’s simply a foreign invader attempting to bring the country to it’s knees.


29 posted on 07/29/2009 7:18:11 PM PDT by NoobRep
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To: nufsed; All
The best evidence has not been shown to the public or a court. The search for truth will carry on even after his death, if necessary.

Can you imagine what would happen in say 10 years from now we find out he was never legitimate.

No bill he signed would be valid. Talk about a crisis, we best settle this now

30 posted on 07/29/2009 7:18:32 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Move over NetZero - Obama's in the house!)
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To: cripplecreek

No kidding, I’m tired of hearing that crap from morons who apparently can’t do more than one thing at a time.
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Exactly. The pressure needs to be kept on ALL FRONTS! And gawd knows Zero is using the chaos to his advantage right now. We need to ‘multitask’ and not be like a ‘heard of cats’ (waiting until the next, ‘distractive’, shiny object comes along to play with) like Zero expects the public to be.


31 posted on 07/29/2009 7:18:34 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama. Clear and Pres__ent Danger.)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

I send several letters and make just as many phone calls to my elected officials every week about everything from healthcare to gas prices. The last thing I need is some weak kneed republicans telling me I should do one less thing because it distracts me from doing only what they want.

I want the transparency we were promised and I’ll keep asking for it.


32 posted on 07/29/2009 7:19:34 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
I’ll focus on stopping ObamaCare while you search for your white whale.

I'd say we have a better chance of succeeding then you do

33 posted on 07/29/2009 7:20:22 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Move over NetZero - Obama's in the house!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

It would be important from a historical standpoint to show how gullible the country was and susceptilble to a Chigago-style street and race hustler.


34 posted on 07/29/2009 7:20:43 PM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, passport, and school records.)
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

I’m damn tired of it also. what the heck is so hard about fighting on more than the one front, as these rino’s seem to only think we can?


35 posted on 07/29/2009 7:21:24 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: bareford101

Birthers are smart. They can multitask. I prefer the term “Barry’s Biography Brigade” = required since neither the Drive-By Media nor the DNC vetted this poseur.


36 posted on 07/29/2009 7:21:29 PM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: remaxagnt
wake me up when armegeddon comes,

Beep, beep, beep, beep :)

37 posted on 07/29/2009 7:22:35 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Move over NetZero - Obama's in the house!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

I assure you. Nobody will ever “prove” that Obama is not a natural born citizen. Further, nothing will happen if evidence is produced to that effect. Nothing.

I’m quite confident of that. Even if it is true, and you’re right - you won’t be able to prove it.


38 posted on 07/29/2009 7:24:02 PM PDT by St. Louis Conservative
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To: Las Vegas Ron

That and ALL Justices appointed to the USSC would have to be “disappointed”... and considering the position is a lifelong one, the only way to terminate their ‘reign’ would be to kill them. ;)

{Actually, if they are guilty of a felony they are to be removed from the USSC... and I think that ‘fraud’ actually IS a felony.}


39 posted on 07/29/2009 7:24:42 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Just like he won’t release any of his other records - college transcripts, Annenberg board minutes, etc. It’s not going to happen and if you sue in court, the White House will claim executive privilege and/or their lawyers will bog the thing down in court.

Bottom line, it’ll never happen.

? Time to move on!

Even if he's a criminal? You don't know he isn't do you?

40 posted on 07/29/2009 7:25:10 PM PDT by BARLF
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To: St. Louis Conservative

“Fixating on it now is wasting time, precious time, when there are other issues on which those with time on their hands can fixate.”

Which is precisely the reason to keep it in play.

Don’t you guys see? “They Won”. The Dems are not going to care how full their fax bins are or how many emails some schmuck sends from a website. They have the majority and they can pass Cap and Tax, Obamacare and anything else they want.

Our only option until the 2010 elections is to keep pulling them off message, wasting their energy and airtime playing defense. Look at what has dominated the news cycle the last week - a “stupid” comment by Obama who is supposed to be the great communicator. Look what has been happening to his poll numbers.

These are the levers we have right now.


41 posted on 07/29/2009 7:25:17 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: ansel12
This probably gets asked all the time but which document did Obama use to get his passport when he was a young man?

Proof of citizenship. Birth certificate, naturalization papers, consular report of birth abroad, or certificate of ctizenship.

42 posted on 07/29/2009 7:25:43 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Nobody putting a gun to your head, you move on!!!


43 posted on 07/29/2009 7:25:45 PM PDT by jarofants
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To: RushIsMyTeddyBear

I’m a crippled man with high speed internet and lots of time. I’m a politician’s worst nightmare.


44 posted on 07/29/2009 7:25:49 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

It hopeless! I read a thread today on FR where somebody, somewhere called us a bunch of nuts, “Ants” I think but said that we were fun to watch because we were so diligent.

I’ve been arguing all day. First, with the birthers on one thread. Then people on another thread who think speculating in oil and driving the price to $4/gal was a good thing for America.

OMG, I love FR, but sometimes it is so frustrating. I would hate to be a vacuum cleaner salesman trying to go door to door to freepers. I could throw dirt on the floor, vacuum it all up, and they would be down there on the floor with an electron scanning microscope examining the fibers.

Heck, they p*ss me off sometimes but I love ‘em.

parsy.


45 posted on 07/29/2009 7:25:56 PM PDT by parsifal ("Knock and ye shall receive!" (The Bible, somewhere.))
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Your bio says your are “passionate” about history. I could never bear hearing about history because there are just too many versions and lies. For example, we are seeing history being made now and can see the lies being recorded as facts. I am passionate about getting to the truth and won’t be distracted by enablers such as yourself.


46 posted on 07/29/2009 7:26:16 PM PDT by balls ("Our government isn't ours any more" - stockpirate)
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To: parsifal
Heck, they p*ss me off sometimes but I love ‘em.

You better. Its us or the liberals. LOL
47 posted on 07/29/2009 7:28:16 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: SERKIT
Birthers are smart. They can multitask. I prefer the term “Barry’s Biography Brigade” = required since neither the Drive-By Media nor the DNC vetted this poseur.

LOl, maybe be "presidential historians", like Doris Kearns Goodwin and the few others that are constantly trotted out by the MSM.

Or presidential biographers.

48 posted on 07/29/2009 7:28:20 PM PDT by Will88 (<oi>)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Well then go get on a health care thread.

We patriots are used to carrying the weight for the weak, so get out of the way, St Louis "Conservative" (my a$$)

49 posted on 07/29/2009 7:28:22 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Move over NetZero - Obama's in the house!)
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To: freekitty
I think it has to do with McCain and his bc.

In what way?

50 posted on 07/29/2009 7:28:51 PM PDT by BARLF
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