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On "Birthers"
The Magic City Morning Star ^ | July 29, 2009 | Warren Bonesteel

Posted on 07/29/2009 7:25:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: curiosity; pissant; ExTexasRedhead; Sparko; trlambsr; True Republican Patriot; Goldie Lurks; ...
"Because the Hawaii Department of Public Health has officially confirmed it."

You do realize that he is considered their "native son" and that Hawaii is majority Democrat and has been since statehood? That's almost like asking Mayor Daley's office for information on Mr. Obama and taking whatever they say as Gospel. But you are bound & determined to believe them, because it would be "racist" and un-PC to believe that a Chicago machine pol/community organizer could pull a fast one on the American people, with the help of communists, ACORN, LaRaza, the Black Panthers, unions and assorted other goons and thugs. Birds of a feather, and all that. But you keep calling us whacked-out "birthers" and we'll keep collecting evidence that this guy is not who he says he is, and is probably not even a citizen, much less a natural born citizen! When the rioters break down your door, you show them these threads to prove that you were on their side from jump street.

151 posted on 07/31/2009 1:47:34 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("I won't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass." Admiral IsorokoYamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
You do realize that he is considered their "native son" and that Hawaii is majority Democrat and has been since statehood?

Right. The state is so solidily Democrat, that it's got a Republican governor./sarcasm

152 posted on 07/31/2009 1:50:13 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have not bought it all. But I an going to operate like they are being truthful so that I can get down to the truth without being called a looney. Although they will still call me that to a degree, I know.

Even if I say, I believe whole-heartedly, 100%, with no doubt that he is an NBC (and I don’t). We still have plenty of reason to keep digging for the long form and ALL birth certificates to be released.

Ya know?


153 posted on 07/31/2009 2:02:59 PM PDT by MissTickly
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

EXCELLENT!!!! thank you for sharing


154 posted on 07/31/2009 2:05:43 PM PDT by bareford101 (the obamanation is a COUNTERFEIT with a COUNTERFEIT birth cert. & 39 different ss cards)
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To: curiosity
"Right. The state is so solidily Democrat, that it's got a Republican governor./sarcasm..."

New York City has a "Republican" mayor (and he's not the first, by any means). Arkansas, California, New Jersey and New York State have had more than one "Republican" governor. Are you saying they are not all Democrat strongholds? A RINO is still considered a Republican, correct? Google Hawaii and you'll see that their congressional delegation has been almost purely Democrat since inclusion. Bzzzzt. Try again...

155 posted on 07/31/2009 2:13:54 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("I won't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass." Admiral IsorokoYamamoto)
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To: IrishPennant
It comes down to this...this short form BC shown by Obama is the same as a college diploma, easily faked on anyone's PC and printer.

I wonder how many conman out there are following Obama's footsteps and are making homemade Hawaiian COLBs?

156 posted on 07/31/2009 2:16:02 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: 2harddrive

here is a good site about what we have on him so far:

http://citizensagainstproobamamediabias.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/orly-taitz-met-with-selective-service-3-25/


157 posted on 07/31/2009 2:17:06 PM PDT by bareford101 (the obamanation is a COUNTERFEIT with a COUNTERFEIT birth cert. & 39 different ss cards)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

here is a good site about what we have on him so far in case you haven’t seen it:

http://citizensagainstproobamamediabias.wordpress.com/2009/03/27/orly-taitz-met-with-selective-service-3-25/


158 posted on 07/31/2009 2:18:11 PM PDT by bareford101 (the obamanation is a COUNTERFEIT with a COUNTERFEIT birth cert. & 39 different ss cards)
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To: Red Steel
I wonder how many conman out there are following Obama's footsteps and are making homemade Hawaiian COLBs?

Dunno...But I have seen my share of forged college diplomas!!!

159 posted on 07/31/2009 3:04:24 PM PDT by IrishPennant (We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. ~Aesop)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Because the Hawaii Department of Public Health has officially confirmed it."

This "confirmation" means very little. It means that the electronically generated document that 0 claims is his "birth certificate" is based on another, older and original document that the state of Hawaii has in its possession, and that the information on the new electronic form has been taken from the older document.

What is that original document? The State of Hawaii says they are not allowed to divulge. Is it a long form birth certificate filled out by the attending physician at 0bama's birth in an Oahu hospital? If so, why hasn't it been released?

Or is it something else? If it is something else then it would prove that whatever his claims, Obama was not born in an Oahu hospital with a physician or midwife in attendance, because by law they are required to complete a long form birth certificate.

160 posted on 07/31/2009 3:06:56 PM PDT by mojito
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; All

The Illegal Alien’s big problem is that he, as shown here earlier at:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2303000/posts

post 46, by 2dDivisionVet, is that he couldn’t become a naturalized citizen if he was born in Kenya. Hence, assuming his Kenya birth, the giga slut Stanley Ann had to prepare a fraudulent non-birthing facility Hawaii Certificate of Live Birth falsely showing he was born in Hawaii and enabling him to claim American citizenship. For the same reason, IMHO, he could never attempt later to be naturalized; he had to keep up the scam.


161 posted on 07/31/2009 4:59:55 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: MissTickly
If Stanley Ann brought him into the U.S. on a British birth certificate and fraudulently registered his birth as a Hawaii birth that did not occur in a birthing facility, he could easily, and falsely, be deemed an American citizen and all of the subsequent documents, being based on the initial false document, would show it. See:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2303000/posts

comment 1.

162 posted on 07/31/2009 5:07:43 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: mojito
What is that original document? The State of Hawaii says they are not allowed to divulge. Is it a long form birth certificate filled out by the attending physician at 0bama's birth in an Oahu hospital? If so, why hasn't it been released?

It could easily be a genuine Hawaiian cetificate of Live Birth fraudulently filled out by his mother. See:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2303000/posts

post 1.

163 posted on 07/31/2009 5:11:21 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; xzins; 1000 silverlings; P-Marlowe; Alex Murphy; blue-duncan; Forest Keeper; ...
I don't wish to sound like cynical, but with the corrupt court system we have, even if presented with hard core evidence the courts will simply ignore the issue.

And does anyone think Congress will impeach? HA! That great “constitutional” scholar Senator Byrd (gag) couldn't even bring himself to convince Bill Clinton after he said he would if they could produce the evidence. Guess what. They produce the evidence and Senator Byrd still didn't vote for impeachment.

Don't get me wrong. I think it is VERY important to air out where exactly is Obama’s birth certificate, social security numbers, grades, etc.; especially after being promised “open government”. Heck, I just read a book complaining about George Bush only having “Cs”, yet no one can tell us Obama’s grades. But you will never be able to impeach him or legally challenge him. Our society has become too corrupt.

164 posted on 07/31/2009 6:31:36 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

You are right on that but I honestly think we have started something else the corrupt ones weren’t looking for. There’s always a tipping point


165 posted on 07/31/2009 6:38:29 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: HarleyD; wmfights; 1000 silverlings; xzins; P-Marlowe; blue-duncan; Alex Murphy
I just read a book complaining about George Bush only having "Cs", yet no one can tell us Obama's grades

I remember the dems using Bush's low grades in college against him until it was learned that Kerry's college GPA was even lower. Lol.

IMO whatever comes out is what some people want to come out. If they wanted to set a precedent that non-native born citizens can now become President (like Arnold) then they would force this issue because there is definitely something askew in Obama's background since he's willing to spend a million bucks on lawyers to keep it quiet.

We live in a fun house, and it's not fun.

166 posted on 07/31/2009 8:22:47 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: xzins; Dr. Eckleburg; pissant; P-Marlowe
Great thread! :)

“nationals and citizens...AT BIRTH” = “natural born”

That's how I see it too. If he was born in HI then I think it's game over, he is eligible to be President regardless of the citizenship of the parents. The Constitution does not define it, and the US Code seems to say that an anchor baby would be fully able to run. (Does anyone have info that an anchor baby couldn't run?) If it could be showed that he was born in Kenya, or anywhere else outside of the US, it gets more tricky.

If his mother, 18 at the time of his birth, was overseas with her man, Obama Sr., in his native country, then BO’s mom did NOT fulfill the 5 year requirement for residency after the age of 14 listed in the law above.

This assumes he was born overseas (which is fine), but I'm not sure how he fails if you are referring to subsection "g" from your post 128. That says in part: "(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years" (emphasis added)

The mother was present in the US for five years (say from the age of 13-17), and two of those years were after 14.

167 posted on 08/01/2009 1:43:13 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; xzins; 1000 silverlings; P-Marlowe; Alex Murphy; blue-duncan
I don't wish to sound like cynical, but with the corrupt court system we have, even if presented with hard core evidence the courts will simply ignore the issue.

I'm not sure. IF we had hardcore Constitutional evidence that he was not eligible to be President, then I don't see how the SCOTUS could refuse to hear the case (it probably could be directly submitted to them without having to go through the lower courts first). I remember that the last thing in the universe they wanted to do was get involved with Bush v. Gore, but they felt they HAD to because of the importance of the subject. I would think this would be on the same level, but who knows? :)

And does anyone think Congress will impeach? HA!

I thought about that too, but came to an interesting problem. In this case they could only impeach "the President", and our whole case would be that he is NOT the President. LOL!

168 posted on 08/01/2009 3:07:26 AM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

bumperoo!


169 posted on 08/01/2009 6:33:22 AM PDT by roaddog727 (Onward into the Breach, and Faciendum est!)
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To: Forest Keeper; HarleyD; xzins; 1000 silverlings; P-Marlowe; Alex Murphy; blue-duncan; ...
And does anyone think Congress will impeach? HA!

I thought about that too, but came to an interesting problem. In this case they could only impeach "the President", and our whole case would be that he is NOT the President. LOL!

ROTFLOLOL! That's hilarious. That line is so good it will probably be swiped and end up on Letterman.

Happy to see you posting, FK. You've been missed.

170 posted on 08/01/2009 10:32:03 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: HarleyD; P-Marlowe; enat

Here’s my GUESS below:

If a president were found to have been ineligible for the office, then he is automatically NOT president. It wouldn’t be a matter of impeaching him.

I think it would be a matter of the vice president simply taking over. I believe the current reading on succession says that ANYTHING that incapacitates the president results in the elevation of the VP until the incapacity is removed. Ineligibility could not be removed.

Also, the TEAM of Biden and Obama ran, so all of those winning votes were also his.

Imho, this would require the involvement of the courts, and at the level of legal interpretation and not at the level of the chief justice being presiding judge over an impeachment.


171 posted on 08/01/2009 1:01:12 PM PDT by xzins (Chaplain Says: Jesus befriends all who ask Him for help.)
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To: xzins
If a president were found to have been ineligible for the office, then he is automatically NOT president. It wouldn’t be a matter of impeaching him.

A strict reading of the Constitutional language does mean Biden already is acting President, doesn't it?

Would that explain a few of ol' Plugs' weird Al Haig moments in the foreign policy arena, lol?

172 posted on 08/01/2009 1:07:26 PM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Forest Keeper

You are correct. I read the 14year old section a bit too fast, and came up with 5 instead of 2.

Thanks.


173 posted on 08/01/2009 2:15:52 PM PDT by xzins (Chaplain Says: Jesus befriends all who ask Him for help.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Thanks! And thanks for all the pings. It's good to be back. :)
174 posted on 08/01/2009 2:16:53 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m really happy about this - and somewhat surprised.

The fact that MSM is picking up on it, and regular type folks are discussing it at the water cooler means one thing - that alot of people, perhaps way more than I would have predicted, still take the letter of the Constitution and the intent of the founders seriously.

If we stick to the law, understand the law, and have good law, that can only be a good thing.

It’s when we abandon the law, and start executing people without trials, and ignoring search warrant requirements, things like that, that we have alot to worry about!


175 posted on 08/01/2009 2:23:43 PM PDT by djf (The "racism" spiel is a crutch, those who unashamedly lean on it, cripples!)
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To: xzins; P-Marlowe; enat
I think it would be a matter of the vice president simply taking over.

Remember, if Joe Biden takes over and something happens, Nancy Pelosi is just a heart beat away.

176 posted on 08/01/2009 3:36:16 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD; Forest Keeper; Dr. Eckleburg

See above. If Joe is out of commission then we get Nancy. Does any of us want Nancy as President? What next? Barney Frank as VP?


177 posted on 08/01/2009 3:39:48 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD

It’s not like Obama or Joe are any better.

At least Joe has to pretend to be a patriot. I’d rather have him in charge, to be honest with you.


178 posted on 08/01/2009 4:58:41 PM PDT by xzins (Chaplain Says: Jesus befriends all who ask Him for help.)
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To: xzins
Well, you're right about Joe, as incompetent as he is. Obama is a Marxist. Peloski is just an idiot. And I mean that in a very Christian, loving way. :O)
179 posted on 08/01/2009 5:26:02 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD; xzins; P-Marlowe; enat; Dr. Eckleburg
Remember, if Joe Biden takes over and something happens, Nancy Pelosi is just a heart beat away.

I wonder about that too. If the Obamination is ineligible, then perhaps under the Twelfth Amendment John McCain received the majority of valid Electoral votes for the office of President and he would in fact BE President now. Biden would remain as Vice President because he was duly and specifically elected as such and was eligible. Now THAT would be funny. :)

180 posted on 08/01/2009 7:54:44 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: MHGinTN
Freepers see the difference in little nettles constantly play apologists for the affirmative action liar, and sincere conservatives concerned over the campaign to out the history of the bastard occupy the Oval Office.

“Tender-handed stroke a nettle
And it stings you for your pains;
Grasp it like a man of mettle,
And it soft as silk remains.
'Tis the same with common natures
Use them kindly they rebel,
But be rough as nutmeg grater,
And the rogues obey you well.”

http://www.electricscotland.com/history/cairngorm/24.htm,/a>

181 posted on 08/01/2009 8:31:36 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: thecodont

Oh the accumulated wisdom in Heritage Poetry.


182 posted on 08/01/2009 8:33:45 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Forest Keeper; wmfights; HarleyD; Alex Murphy; P-Marlowe; xzins; blue-duncan; 1000 silverlings; ...
Lol. Funnier and funnier.

Since I agree with FDR that if it happens in politics it was planned, one of two things is going to happen.

If Obama is supposed to stay in office for eight years (his path having been greased for decades) then the birther perplexion will disappear like Hillary's billing files and Vince Foster's pulse. After all this time, any intelligence unit worth it black budget should have been able to sweep clean his birth certificate which will then be publicly displayed to make us look like lunatics. (This is another good reason to base our questions on the legitimate definition of "native born" and also to question his mother's age and his own dual citizenship; all questions Pelosi and Kennedy should have asked and answered.)

How was his close friendship with Farrakahn and the Nation of Islam completely ignored? Was this why Jeremiah Wright was permitted to be front and center? At least Wright calls himself a Christian. Obama's roots are amazingly muslim. A mere eight years after 9/11 and somehow this country elects a man whose family is muslim, who was adopted by a muslim, and who was muslim himself.

OTOH if the missing BC and assorted records and paperwork (demanded of all Presidential contenders) prove to be O's undoing, then this, too, was set up to erode the Constitution and open the door for any old non-American, "citizen of the world" to reside in the White House, sovereignty be damned.

Under this scenario, the SC will let him stay in office till 2012 (fearing riots in the street,) thereby nullifying the Constitutional requirement for POTUS.

Everyone should read his "autobiography." There are mixed-up dates and bizarre errors throughout it. Obama thinks he sits on the banking committee. He thinks he met his wife in the classroom. He is covering up so much he must be in a perpetual state of confusion. Or sleep-walking. And waking a sleepwalker can be dangerous.

183 posted on 08/01/2009 9:14:41 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
If he is allowed to abrogate the Constitution on the eligibility requirements, the Constitutional contract as a whole is abrogated and we are left a ruled people subservient to the federal oligarchy of the Czarista regime Barry Soetoro has ‘organized’ and is installing now! These Czars are not even subpoena-able by Congress! They are above the checks and balances.
184 posted on 08/01/2009 9:20:20 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg

We are self destructive.


185 posted on 08/01/2009 9:24:17 PM PDT by Big Horn (Rebuild the GOP to a conservative party)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; Forest Keeper; wmfights; Alex Murphy; P-Marlowe; xzins; blue-duncan; ...
If Obama is supposed to stay in office for eight years (his path having been greased for decades) then the birther perplexion will disappear like Hillary's billing files and Vince Foster's pulse.

I'm not so sure this is going to disappear. Had this been thirty years ago none of this would have been discussed. We would have had three corrupted news outlets all focused in on beer summits. The case of Vince Foster was almost 16 years ago. As Iran and Saudi Arabia have found out, the Internet is growing day by day and is a big threat to totalitarian regimes.

The reason the birthers are gaining ground is because of the Internet. News medias are finding that they HAVE to talk about it. The more they dismiss it, the more questions that are being raised.

BTW-I thought it was a hoot that Bill O'Reilly stated that he knows Lou Dobbs is wrong about the birth certificate because he's "seen the evidence". Someone then challenged O'Reilly to produce the evidence that he has seen. Fair challenge. It difficult to let something like that slide if thousands of people are pinging a site.

186 posted on 08/02/2009 3:38:17 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; HarleyD; Alex Murphy; P-Marlowe; xzins; blue-duncan; 1000 silverlings; ...
After all this time, any intelligence unit worth it black budget should have been able to sweep clean his birth certificate which will then be publicly displayed to make us look like lunatics.

Yes, that could very well be their attempt. I'm wondering if they haven't already painted themselves into a corner by waiting this long. If after all the coverage on this they now produce a BC that at least appears valid on its face, and then tries to laugh at us, our response can be "then why did it take you all these months for something so simple. So much for Mr. Transparency!". :) I think we should keep pushing this.

Obama's roots are amazingly muslim. A mere eight years after 9/11 and somehow this country elects a man whose family is muslim, who was adopted by a muslim, and who was muslim himself.

Yes, and I don't actually see him practicing any particular faith at all, unless one counts liberal ideology as a faith. If I was surveyed and asked if I thought he was a Christian I would say I don't know. His words and his actions rarely match.

OTOH if the missing BC and assorted records and paperwork (demanded of all Presidential contenders) prove to be O's undoing, then this, too, was set up to erode the Constitution and open the door for any old non-American, "citizen of the world" to reside in the White House, sovereignty be damned.

Maybe Latina wisdom will save us all? :)

Everyone should read his "autobiography." There are mixed-up dates and bizarre errors throughout it. Obama thinks he sits on the banking committee. He thinks he met his wife in the classroom.

I'll have to do that. I had no idea there were those kinds of errors in his own book. Maybe the Biden effect kicked in and he wrote everything right, but then still got 30% of it wrong. :)

187 posted on 08/02/2009 2:09:28 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; Alex Murphy; P-Marlowe; xzins; blue-duncan; 1000 silverlings; ...
BTW-I thought it was a hoot that Bill O'Reilly stated that he knows Lou Dobbs is wrong about the birth certificate because he's "seen the evidence". Someone then challenged O'Reilly to produce the evidence that he has seen. Fair challenge. It difficult to let something like that slide if thousands of people are pinging a site.

Yeah, I saw him say that on the air too. Made him look real bad and sloppy. Even with just a little homework anyone can see that it's reasonable to ask questions. If O'Reilly is so sure of himself I wonder why he hasn't had the "Is it Legal" ladies take a look. I don't think I've heard either of them trash the "birthers" before.

188 posted on 08/02/2009 2:25:00 PM PDT by Forest Keeper (It is a joy to me to know that God had my number, before He created numbers.)
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To: Forest Keeper; HarleyD; Dr. Eckleburg; wmfights; Alex Murphy; P-Marlowe; xzins; blue-duncan
O'Reilly gets his marching orders from whoever controls his network, he is not a free and independent journalist by any means. What he said was stupid, but he'll skate, he always does. His deal is just to move on to something else.

Lou Dobbs? I doubt he "went rogue" on CNN but they have to act like it.

My guess is the Obama WH offended the wrong people,(Israel) or Pelosi did, (CIA)and if this isn't the real thing, somebody has a real hammer somewhere

189 posted on 08/02/2009 2:48:29 PM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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