Skip to comments.Count the ways to get Hawaii 'birth certificate'
Posted on 07/29/2009 8:23:47 PM PDT by RobinMasters
An analysis of Hawaii's birth recording requirements around the time of Barack Obama's 1961 birth reveals several ways to generate a "Certificate of Birth," including some that require no documentation other than the assertion of a adult.
The word comes in a report by an investigator commissioned by a retired CIA officer. The report was posted online by the Western Center for Journalism, which withheld the officer's name.
"In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were four different ways to get an 'original birth certificate' on record," the investigator says, including a report to the Department of Health from an attending physician or midwife.
But if the certificate was obtained through any of the other three options, "Obama would have a very good reason not to release the vault birth certificate," the investigator said.
"If the original certificate were the standard
type of birth certificate (documented by a physician or midwife), he would have allowed its release and brought the controversy to a quick end," the report said. The investigator said if the birth certificate was obtained by one of the other methods, then it contributes to the overall questions raised about Obama's eligibility.
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Cool! No wonder Stanley Ann Dunham wanted a Hawaiian Birth Certificate for Barak - they were so much EASIER to get than Kenyan ones! LOL.
I turned on windbag Bil O’Reilly for a few minutes. He had Bernie Goldberg on. O’Reilly brings up Lou Dobbs and BOR(e) says “Obama was born in Hawaii and the born in Kenya stuff is a hoax and nonsense.” “The Factor checked it out.” He always says The Factor will check things out and follow up and he never does. He goes on to make fun of Lou Dobbs and I shut it off.
O’Reilly is a liar. I wonder if the Saudi royal investors in Fox wanted him to say that. Are they worried about their $700 million investment that refuses to show us his BC? I will never watch that scum O’Reilly.
And that information opens up all sorts of possible reasons Obama would not want his original "Certificate of Live Birth" made public. He might not have had the nice documentation, showing the hospital where he was born with the signature of the attending physician.
NOTHING pisses me off more than when O’Reilly steps into his third-person persona (aka “The Factor”, “Reality Check”, etc) and spews garbage like you heard tonight.
No debate, no counter arguments, just his particular version of SPIN right in his so-called no-spin zone.
I don’t believe in conspiracies either, mainly because 99.9999% of people just could never keep their mouths shut. But you don’t need a conspiracy for Obama to have a fraudulent BC, or for it to contain information that would be devastating to his credibility. You just need human nature, and I think in the end we will learn some things that will show O’Reilly to have been the biggest PINHEAD of all about this issue.
As for Bernie Goldberg’s crackpot theory about the Obama WH wanting to keep this going to ridicule conservatives, I think he’s deluded. They’re losing the big battle on healthcare in part because people are talking about birth certificates and beer dates. They’d love this to die a quick death, which is why we must keep it alive.
Bill has no evidence to prove his statement.He’s such a bag of wind.You have to challenge these people and say PROVE YOUR STATEMENT.
You drank the Kool-Aid, however you are correct. It is not going anywhere. We live in a Banana Republic. We probably live in one of the top corruptive countries.
What blows apart Goldberg's theory is that Obama refused to release the birth certificate before he became president. It wasn't the arrogance of being president that started this behavior. Obama wasn't trying to tweak the nose of Conservates when he was still a candidate trying to win, but he was doing whatever it took to keep his records sealed.
Goldberg is right to ask about the college records, though. Goldberg is asking what is so damaging that the college records can't be released? In the end, it's the same argument as with the birth certificate, just transferred to his college records.
Obama cannot release ANY records, because once he releases one set of records, there can be no holding back on releasing others.
I think obama is trying for a fifth - pay someone enough to create a credible forgery. Wonder how long it takes? Which will finish first, the various court challenges or obama's forger?
I wonder if anyone is looking into any requests for birth certificates on or around (both before and after) obama's claimed birth date? A forger would need genuine examples to work with, and possibly the serial numbers before and after to come up with a credible one.
Describing Bernard Goldberg as a “great conservative commentator” is kooky....his trashing of Michael Savage in his book was classless. Goldberg is just an opprotunist.
Dobbs has done nothing kooky....he believes Obama is a citizen...just wants him to show the BC
Relative newcomer here to this issue, but after giving it some thought for 10 months, here is my core question:
On what basis does anyone conclude O is a U.S. citizen?
If the answer involves the COLB that O’s attorney said was posted on the internet then,
“What about the opinions of experts that the COLB is an unmistakable forgery?
“If the COLB is not forged, what about the fact Hawaii specifies the COLB is not conclusive evidence of citizenship?
The Goveror of Hawaii has let it me know that she squirreled away a copy of the original just to prevent any hanky-panky from either side. I'm sure Obami realizes that if he puts out a forgery, the Governor will call him on it.
In this case, "verifying" could simply mean that she looked at the sworn statements from Mommy and GrandMommy saying that Obami was born in Hawaii. That would constitute legal "verification" sufficient for a self-serving statement from officials in Hawaii who are trying to cover their own butts. Show us the signature on the long form.
1) A report to the Department of Health from an attending physician or midwife.
2) "In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then all that was required was that one of the parents send in a birth certificate to be filed. The birth certificate could be filed by mail.
3) In 1961 in Hawaii that if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or midwife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, a 'Delayed Certificate' could be filed.
"In other words, this form of vault birth certificate, the Delayed Certificate, required no more than a statement before a government bureaucrat by one of the parents or (the law does not seem to me clear on this) one of Barack Obamas grandparents. If the latter is true, Ann Dunham did not have to be present for this statement or even in the country," the investigator said.
4) Finally, a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth is available for those born in Hawaii without attendance and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed.
5) There actually was one further option, but it didn't become law until 1982, the report said. Under Act 182, "Upon application of an adult or the legal parents of a minor child, the director of health shall issue a birth certificate for such adult or minor, provided that the proof has been submitted to the director of health that the legal parents of such individual while living without the Territory or State of Hawaii had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth or adoption of such child.
"In this way 'state policies and procedures' accommodate even 'children born out of State,'" the report said, noting, "This is the actual language of Act 182.