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FR Poll: Do you believe Obama is hiding or lying about something regarding his origins?
July 30, 2009 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 07/30/2009 11:51:05 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

Do you believe Obama is hiding or lying about something regarding his origins?

Please elaborate.


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: article2section1; barackobama; bho44; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; colb; naturalborn; obama; obamanoncitizenissue; obamasecrets; poll
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To: Jim Robinson; LucyT
“Do you believe Obama is hiding or lying about something regarding his origins?”
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Roger Dat!,,,

He has spent a million dollars or so to hide the fact that

he is not a citizen,,,

Nobody on this site would/could hold it against him or

anybody else about who his parents are/were,,,

Not his choice,,,

GOD'S Choice,,,

JMHO...

41 posted on 07/31/2009 12:22:22 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: jla
"I reckon the "birthers" aren't too concerned about the 1st amendment. "

The same can be said for the anti-"birthers". And what's with the labeling of anyone questioning and demanding Obama comply with the law of the land as "birthers" anyways? People who do that are obviously Democrats, since it's what they love to do, while ridiculing anyone who does it to them, just as they cry first amendment but then label and ridicule those who use it.

42 posted on 07/31/2009 12:23:26 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Jim Robinson

YES! Why? Because he has pretty much locked up everything except his autobiography. Even his college application and records...He’s so smart, why not release all his academic records? Passport application/records Ba,r Application, records from IL State Senate, and of course the Long Form Certification of Birth—not the lame laser printed thing that he submitted to some media. What is he so determined to hide?

BTW, it would take a whole lot more than a couple Sam Adams to make me think otherwise :(


43 posted on 07/31/2009 12:24:25 AM PDT by Freedom56v2 ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait till it is free! "~ PJ O'Rourke)
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To: Jim Robinson
he using this as a distraction. He knows he can easily clear this up; but he won't. He wants the media and everyone else to think the republicans are a bunch of kooks. This is like the crazy 911 conspiracy people that think the government brought down the towers.
Be honest; even if he produced a birth certificate; most of the “birthers” will claim it is fake. Meanwhile, while everyone is chasing a birth certificate, obama and the democrats are going to shove healthcare reform through....
flame away, but if we allow this birth certificate thing to continue he will shove a lot more than healthcare through and everyone will still be chasing the birth certificate......
44 posted on 07/31/2009 12:25:06 AM PDT by martinidon
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To: Boucheau

LOL! I never could figure out why, if the Gua’uld were so advanced that they could fly around the universe in ships with no windows (force fields, instead), how come they had to use torches for light? (just askin...I have all ten seasons on disk)


45 posted on 07/31/2009 12:25:48 AM PDT by redhead (You don't have to be eaten by a bear to know he WILL eat you...Check the Half-Baked Sourdough!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Definitely- for obvious reasons.


46 posted on 07/31/2009 12:25:51 AM PDT by Revel
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To: Gator113
"it all goes away and he gets to call us all stupid fools."

I took my daughter to the DMV to get her drivers license
last week. They made her produce her long form birth
certificate.

No LFBC, no license.

Of course we produced it.

So are the folks at the DMV stupid fools?


47 posted on 07/31/2009 12:27:35 AM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Jim Robinson

Quite possibly, but very doubtful it’s anything that would have bearing on the “natural born citizen” issue. The evidence is overwhelming that he was born in Hawaii, and that settles the natural born citizen question.

Was his mother actually only 16.5 years old when he was born, making her a statutory rape victim? Maybe. Was she legally married at the time to someone other than the man he knows/claims as his father? Maybe. Did she originally list somebody else as the father? Maybe. Did she originally list the father as “unknown”? Maybe. Was he actually one of a set of twins, the other of which disappeared in infancy under mysterious circumstances? Maybe.

Lots of possibilities, but most are the sort of thing that one would hide to save other relatives from embarrassment, or to avoid bringing out negative information about someone who is no longer living — not the sort of thing that would have any bearing on his eligibility to be POTUS.

If he was some sort of total impostor, producing the original long form birth certificate wouldn’t shed any light on that anyway. Maybe the Barack Soetoro on the birth certificate died in infancy, and the death was unreported, and some relative gave Stanley another baby from Kenya/Indonesia/somewhere to raise in his place. Face it, birth certificates are just pieces of paper. Until they start carrying DNA data, they’ll never really prove anything about anyone. Until fairly recently (maybe still, in some states) birth certificates were routinely issued showing adoptive parents as the birth parents, so that the child would never know s/he was adopted, even in adulthood.

Frankly, I think the whole “birther” thing is a dangerous distraction that’s being orchestrated by Democrat party operatives. It’s amazing how many conservatives are devoting most of their anti-Obama energy to pursuing this nutty idea that they can get him hauled out of office for not being a “natural born citizen”. Now who do you suppose would want conservatives to be focusing their energy and attention on this hopeless cause (while they leave issues like socialized medicine and RKBA and union power ignored on the back burner)?


48 posted on 07/31/2009 12:27:50 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker (Vote for a short Freepathon! Donate now if you possibly can!)
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To: Slings and Arrows

Right you are. But I believe she was both, depending on who the other person was. She was telepathic to trapezoids or whatever they were called, and empathic to humans, So I guess a group of human guys she walked by she could only “feel’ their ‘happyness’...


49 posted on 07/31/2009 12:29:47 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Jim Robinson

No, I think the man was born in Hawaii as he claims and is the legitimately elected President of the United States.


50 posted on 07/31/2009 12:29:59 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: Jim Robinson

It’s pretty obvious he is.

Nobody would spend that much money to keep a birth certificate a secret if he didn’t have something to hide.

No matter how you look at it, and no matter how many reasonable and rational conservatives tell me to forget about it and move on, I keep on coming back to that one point.

Over a half a million dollars in legal fees... just to keep the long form birth certificate out of sight.

That’s the reality.


51 posted on 07/31/2009 12:30:05 AM PDT by Ronin (It will be helpful if Geithner can show us some arithmetic.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Do you believe...

I'll tell you what I think instead. I think I need to take a break from all this and clear my head, and that's exactly what I'm going to do.

You're a good man, Jim.

52 posted on 07/31/2009 12:30:47 AM PDT by csense
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To: Jim Robinson
Like my Mother taught me...if you can't say anything nice...DON'T SAY ANYTHING AT ALL!

He's lying thru his TEETH...no WAY is he a citizen of the United States. If he was, this would be moot by now. NOT ONLY THAT....I've been wondering for awhile now...Is This A Distraction For Something Bigger?
53 posted on 07/31/2009 12:30:55 AM PDT by Bradís Gramma (BG x 2 (and a heartbeat was heard today....))
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To: GovernmentShrinker
"The evidence is overwhelming that he was born in Hawaii, and that settles the natural born citizen question."

Really? where is it? have you seen it? All there is is a COLB, and that is not proof of being born in Hawaii.

54 posted on 07/31/2009 12:31:35 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: martinidon

Well, except that almost all Republicans are declining to challenge Obama on this issue. It’s hard to tar the GOP with advancing an issue they repeatedly go on the record as declining.


55 posted on 07/31/2009 12:31:42 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Democrat Party: a criminal organization masquerading as a political party)
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To: Jim Robinson
As far as hiding, one need not speculate. Its simply a fact that he has not released his long form birth records, and he has lawyered himself up to actively keep them sealed.

As for lying about his origins, its hard to tell because we don't know much. All we can do is speculate, because despite many legal attempts to get at what he is hiding, Obama has kept the truth succesfully hidden.

One can speculate about his motivation. However the most obvious theory: that his records will cast doubt on his citizenship, is not the only plausible explination. Perhaps its simply there is something unrelated that happens to be embarrassing in them.

56 posted on 07/31/2009 12:32:19 AM PDT by AndyTheBear
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To: Jim Robinson

Yes - he’s supposed to be CinC of the military and would gain an enormous amount of perceived (but grudging) validity from those who take their oath seriously.

Proving his ‘natural born citizenship’ would blunt or eliminate what could be a very significant force in support of correcting a Constitutional crisis.


57 posted on 07/31/2009 12:32:28 AM PDT by plsjr (<>< ... reality always gets the last vote.)
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To: StormEye
Yes ... he’s illegitimately in office and he and Democrat Party knows it.

I second this opinion. The House voted to proclaim Obama natural-born but if this were provably true, why bother?

And if Obama is lying in wait to embarrass the Birthers, why telegraph it with a House vote, when producing the BC would be a knockout punch?

58 posted on 07/31/2009 12:32:35 AM PDT by TheThinker
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To: martinidon
"This is like the crazy 911 conspiracy people that think the government brought down the towers."

That was the liberal talking heads in Hollywood promoting that.

The Hollywood spokespersons cost the Democrats the election right?
59 posted on 07/31/2009 12:33:24 AM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Jim Robinson
To put it in a nutshell...
There is nothing real about Barack Hussein Obama! aka Barry Soetero etc...
60 posted on 07/31/2009 12:35:57 AM PDT by Wolf-Lake
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