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FR Poll: Do you believe Obama is hiding or lying about something regarding his origins?
July 30, 2009 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 07/30/2009 11:51:05 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

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To: Jim Robinson

In taking an absolutist rather than pragmatic approach to the matter, he’s behaving like a radical or, someone with a chip on his shoulder. On the other hand, his behaviour sure does resemble that of a person trying to hide something.


101 posted on 07/31/2009 1:10:15 AM PDT by fso301
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To: Jim Robinson

Absolutely I believe he’s hiding something or lying about something. I see no other possible explanation for his behavior.


102 posted on 07/31/2009 1:12:16 AM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yes, Obama is hiding something, and as someone else said in this poll, the Democratic Party knows it. No one pays approx one million dollars in lawyer fees to conceal their birth certificate in America.
Why would his paternal grandmother in Kenya lie? Some Kenyans spoke freely about Obama’s Kenyan birth until they learned the US Constitution said the President had to be a Natural-born “American”, not a natural-born Kenyan.

He is the first person elected to the office of president where we don’t have clear answers about his identity. In this regard, the taking of an oath to uphold the Constitution has become a meaningless gesture under Obama. Why, because States, like Hawaii, which is controlled by Democrats, obviously place a higher priority on concealing Obama’s corruption than upholding the Constitution.

I believe that Hawaii passed the bill that proclaimed Obama a natural born American because of the Lawsuit filed by Orly Taitz. The courts will rely on that legislative statement as fact, and probably dismiss her cases.

Nonetheless, all this makes me believe that Obama was not natural-born, and thus not qualified for the presidency. I believe that he is a fraud.


103 posted on 07/31/2009 1:12:32 AM PDT by Sipicaknobius (sipicaknobius)
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To: Jim Robinson

Dear Jim,

Yes, I believe he’s hiding something. But what?

What sort of people go to elaborate lengths to conceal or reinvent their pasts? On another thread someone suggested that only criminals and con men would do such things. Does BO have an (expunged) criminal record?

Others have suggested BO’s cloaked past indicates CIA connections. Is he a federally-protected witness of some sort?

BO’s willingness to be very free and loose with his past (regarding how his parents met, how he met his wife, etc.) casts suspicion on everything else he does or says. I find it deeply disturbing that he apparently does not have any sense of public accountability for his words and actions. This is a man without a firm center of any sort. He does not seem to know who he is much of the time. He is a “citizen of the world.” He is everywhere and nowhere. He is everyone and no one.

If his allegiances are to countries other than our own, that does not bode well for our national security.

I don’t know if he was born in Hawai’i. I don’t know if he’s an Indonesian citizen.

Whatever his origins, we can’t afford to have such a person leading us.

I don’t believe his vagueness is necessarily part of a long-term plan to discredit “birthers” and make conservatives look crazy. I think it’s a personal identity problem (too bad that the at age of 48 he hasn’t yet figured out who he is) and unfortunately the nation is bearing the brunt of it.

Regarding his state senate race and how he arranged to have the court unseal his rival’s (Ryan) divorce records, BO can certainly understand and appreciate how personal data can be used to derail a political career.

We must have a Constitutionally-eligible President, and it looks as if we’ll have to head to SCOTUS to see just what “natural born citizen” means.


104 posted on 07/31/2009 1:13:39 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: Jim Robinson
It is more than just belief.

He IS hiding a lot of his past!

He is NOT legit!

105 posted on 07/31/2009 1:14:04 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Ifanationexpects tobe ignorantandfree,inastateofcivilization,itexpects whatneverwas andnever will be)
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To: Slings and Arrows
I believe Obama is hiding something but those responsible for acting on it will do nothing about it no matter what comes out.

Wow. I'm watching “Without a Trace” ( a 2006 episode ) on TNT now and Marina Sirtis is on the show.

106 posted on 07/31/2009 1:14:48 AM PDT by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Yup.
"Methinks he does protest too much."
107 posted on 07/31/2009 1:15:18 AM PDT by truthkeeper ("Why oh why didn't I take the blue pill?")
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To: Jim Robinson

Yes. He’s hiding something. We heard the story of 5 year old Obama stating in kindergarten that he wanted to be president one day-—an ambition he wouldn’t have, obviously, if he didn’t think he was American, right? Or the offhand reference to his birth certificate and other papers in his ‘auto-biography’. Right. All of this is window dressing to hide the fact that, like his sister, he has a Hawaiian COLB. And who is the Health Director to state that Soetoro is a ‘natural born citizen’? That’s just his opinion. Tell us instead what the particulars are that made him come to that conclusion.


108 posted on 07/31/2009 1:17:06 AM PDT by perchprism
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To: beaversmom

“I believe there is something going on regarding his past records and birth certificate. During the election I was watching the CNN doctor reporter from India, can’t think of his name off hand—Gupta maybe. He was talking about the health records of the two candidates. John McCain submitted every record he had to be examined. It was quite a stack. I can’t remember precisely, but Obama submitted nothing or very little—basically, yes he’s alive and the doctor/reporter made mention of the difference between the two. He’s hiding something and possibly a lot. It is all too clandestine and there has to be a reason.”

Obama submitted one paragraph of “health records”.

Gee, I wonder why?


109 posted on 07/31/2009 1:23:03 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Do you believe Obama is hiding or lying about something regarding his origins?

Yes, I do believe he is hiding something regarding his origins. If he isn't hiding something, he would whip out the truth, actual birth certificate, for all to see.

110 posted on 07/31/2009 1:25:11 AM PDT by Dustbunny ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them. " Ronald Reagan)
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To: Jim Robinson
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111 posted on 07/31/2009 1:26:17 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

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112 posted on 07/31/2009 1:27:32 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: AndyTheBear; Jim Robinson

Obama’s first act as President EXECUTIVE ORDER 13489 banning release of any of his records. Now does this sound like open Government to you. He’s hiding something big, that disqualifies his as POTUS, not something like a stupid grade he may have made at Harvard or that his mom and dad were never married. He is not the legitimate President, no way no how. NMP


113 posted on 07/31/2009 1:28:44 AM PDT by Colorado Cowgirl (God bless America!)
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To: DaveTesla

“So are the folks at the DMV stupid fools?”

Well, yes, actually ... last time I was there.

(see Patty and Selma for examples of what most people are put through ...)


114 posted on 07/31/2009 1:30:33 AM PDT by DontTreadOnMe2009 (So stop treading on me already!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yup.


116 posted on 07/31/2009 1:31:51 AM PDT by johncatl (...governs least, governs best.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yes, I believe he’s hiding many things, from his birth through his college days and beyond.

It seems there’s something in the certificate he doesn’t want known. It may be about citizenship, or perhaps about his father. With the suspicions he’s created, ANYTHING is possible, including a biological connection to his mother and Malcolm X.


117 posted on 07/31/2009 1:32:34 AM PDT by drierice
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To: LucyT

Looky...;0)


118 posted on 07/31/2009 1:34:06 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Jim Robinson
Obviously he is hiding something regarding his past history. The fact that he has not released his:

long form BC, kindergarten record, Punahou school records, Occidental College records, Columbia University records, Harvard Law School records, passport details, or his medical records

is to say the least very odd.

I think conservatives don't necessarily have to raise the question about whether he is natural born or not, but always, in every discussion with liberals, just ask why they think Obama is withholding all those documents.

Most liberals don't know that he hasn't released these documents. And whereas his birth place will remain a conjecture until his long BC is released - and maybe even after that, depending on what kind of evidence support his BC (doctor's signature or just information from his grand-parents - the fact that these documents are not released is a proven fact, something that is actually confirmed by Obama’s own campaign.

119 posted on 07/31/2009 1:34:59 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: Torquay

Send your email through private freepmail and then have your post removed so that it is not public information. Mod’s may already remove it for you.


120 posted on 07/31/2009 1:35:25 AM PDT by hoosiermama (ONLY DEAD FISH GO WITH THE FLOW.......I am swimming with Sarahcudah! Sarah has read the tealeaves.)
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To: DontTreadOnMe2009

The DMV is run by the State Police where I live.

Do you think they are fools for not taking my daughters word
and demanding her birth certificate?


121 posted on 07/31/2009 1:38:09 AM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Tenniel2

Regardless of what may or may not happen in the short-term regarding this matter. The end result has already been determined and cemented! And, it will not be the future that those who created the current situation predict. Those who I am speaking too know who they are. Your front boy will meet the cemented future with loving arms, as well as its puppet handlers. Sometimes Love needs to be tough Love, and discipline is on its way. The beauty that the future holds, is that it is unpredictable and at the same time a foregone conclusion.


122 posted on 07/31/2009 1:45:25 AM PDT by Torquay
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To: Jim Robinson

Of course! How could I not believe that he is hiding or lying about somthing regarding his origins? He has systematically purged, sealed, or obfuscated all records of same!


123 posted on 07/31/2009 1:45:49 AM PDT by CzarChasm (My opinion. No charge.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yes


124 posted on 07/31/2009 1:46:57 AM PDT by The Magical Mischief Tour
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

“OBAMA, NO MERCI BEAUCOUP”

Thanks!


125 posted on 07/31/2009 1:47:49 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: Jet Jaguar

>>> And, while you’re at it, what is your National Security Strategy? You are required by the Goldwater/Nichols Act to publish one.

Hadn’t heard about this one... ever...

Who is talking about this?

I heard today on radio that Obama is getting ready to engage in some ‘war games’... surely there’s some strategy behind that.


126 posted on 07/31/2009 1:47:59 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Jim Robinson

Evidently or he would just show his birth certificate . But if he is or isn’t his handlers are using this as a wag the dog diversion of the nth degree IMO.


127 posted on 07/31/2009 1:49:26 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Jim Robinson

It’s obvious he’s hiding something on this.


128 posted on 07/31/2009 1:53:42 AM PDT by toddausauras
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To: Jim Robinson

He is lying and hiding his lie.

All the man has to do is produce his birth certificate and this would all go away.


129 posted on 07/31/2009 1:53:44 AM PDT by Kimmers (Be the kind of person when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, Oh crap, she's awake)
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To: LucyT

LOL...;0)


130 posted on 07/31/2009 2:02:25 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Jim Robinson
YES
He is hiding something.
Why would he spend the amount he has spent keeping everything hidden, unless there is something he does not want us to see.
BO: PRODUCE OR RESIGN! ! ! ! NOW! ! ! ! ! !
131 posted on 07/31/2009 2:06:29 AM PDT by DeaconRed (BO STINKS)
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To: Jim Robinson

I want to know what Jim Thompson has to say on this... ;-)

I honestly don’t know what he is hiding. I suspect it is something that conflicts with his “official record” from his books and major speeches. Same goes for his education records, his records from the Illinois State Senate, and his travel records.

As for his birth records, well I’m really interested to see what the big deal is about.


132 posted on 07/31/2009 2:06:52 AM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Nathan Zachary; qwertypie
You three violated the premise of this thread. Mr. Robinson merely asked a question. A straightforward reply, such as my excellent one, was all that one needed to submit.
133 posted on 07/31/2009 2:08:38 AM PDT by jla
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To: jla

pbtbtbtbtbt.


134 posted on 07/31/2009 2:13:54 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Democrat Party: a criminal organization masquerading as a political party)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m conflicted by two ideas.

1) The dual newspaper announcements are really good evidence that he was born in Hawaii. It overrides my wonderment that no one knows what hospital or doctor gave birth to him, or the weird fact that the neighbors of the listed address in the newspaper announcement never knew of any Obama to have lived there. Or whatever his step grandma said.

2) Obama could get his long form certificate in 24 hours if he wanted. It is extremely strange that he refuses to do so. The Hawaii state official came out and said the Long Form certificate exists, and confirms he was born in Hawaii.

Conclusion: Obama was likely born in Hawaii, but there is something else he is hiding that makes him not want to release the long form. This may dovetail with his refusal to release college/high school transcripts.


135 posted on 07/31/2009 2:20:59 AM PDT by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: Jim Robinson

Hiding yes. Lying yes. But the focus should be on the college records, Indonesia, and paternal lineage and not on the birth certificate. Maybe the Pakistan travel too.


136 posted on 07/31/2009 2:23:35 AM PDT by tunedin
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To: Jim Robinson

Yes, He is in fact hiding something.

All we need is one States Sec of Sate to require his submitting his long form to keep him a one term president.

Just one is all we need,


137 posted on 07/31/2009 2:29:48 AM PDT by NoLibZone (North Korea? The only buildings in Hawaii at risk of destruction are those housing Obama's records!)
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To: thecodont
Is he a federally-protected witness of some sort?

Kind of bad move to run for President if you are. Unless we see Obama suddenly vanish from sight after completing his term or getting impeached, then we'll know why.

138 posted on 07/31/2009 2:32:59 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Democrat Party: a criminal organization masquerading as a political party)
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To: NoLibZone

Being excluded from the ballot on a state he wouldn’t win anyhow would be embarrassing, but wouldn’t prevent his re-election.


139 posted on 07/31/2009 2:34:33 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Democrat Party: a criminal organization masquerading as a political party)
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To: 1COUNTER-MORTER-68

The Lord is my Shepherd; I shall not want.
He maketh me to lie down in green pastures:
He leadeth me beside the still waters.
He restoreth my soul:
He leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for His name’ sake.

Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death,
I will fear no evil: For thou art with me;
Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me.
Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies;
Thou annointest my head with oil; My cup runneth over.

Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life,
and I will dwell in the House of the Lord forever.

— KJV
~~~

FIX,,,,,,,,,,BAYONETS!!!


140 posted on 07/31/2009 2:37:30 AM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yes, he’s hiding something — most likely Obama is not his father, and thus the elaborate African saga that his grandparents originated and his mother fostered is as counterfeit as he. His true paternity or place of birth won’t jeopardize his eligibility, but would seriously damage his credibility.

Most of the other theories, foreign birth, Indonesian passport, foreign-student registration, Manchurian candidate, elaborate Communist plot, Malcolm X, etc., are the kitchen-sinkism that both give him cover and a valid excuse to mock the excesses of “the birthers.”


141 posted on 07/31/2009 2:38:41 AM PDT by browardchad
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To: Jim Robinson

I would guess yes but I want proof one way or the other. I was no big deal when they were all over McCain about being born in Central America.


142 posted on 07/31/2009 2:38:56 AM PDT by bmwcyle (Obama's lies make Bill Clinton's lie small)
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To: Jim Robinson
Lying

I expect all the President's of America to follow our Constitution even if they hate it like Obama does. Without our Constitution our country is nothing.

143 posted on 07/31/2009 2:48:16 AM PDT by Katarina (Sarah Palin and ElRushbo the true conservatives. Thank God for Conservative talk radio.)
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To: Jim Robinson

We now have a dead body with connections to Barack Alias Obama’s passport file. We now have a very significant retaliatory action being taken against at least one challenger.

So, yes, there’s something very, very wrong in the land of skittles and unicorns. The “lightworker” that we were promised has turned out to be just another “lieworker” with all sorts of unsavory associations and beliefs.

He needs to be challenged in every possible way to mitigate the damage that he has planned for this great country.


144 posted on 07/31/2009 2:48:17 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (When the going gets tough, the tough go out for ice cream.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I disagree.

It would be a very powerful tool for his opposition.


145 posted on 07/31/2009 2:48:58 AM PDT by NoLibZone (North Korea? The only buildings in Hawaii at risk of destruction are those housing Obama's records!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I know him as the Kenyan.

I do not recognize him as president and refuse to do so. There is no law that says anyone has to recognize him as president. He was a traitorous racist who was out to destroy my culture and is no friend to loyal Americans.

I will obey the law and not break any laws, that is all I am obligated to do. If the Kenyan passes a law I will obey it. But he is not my president.


146 posted on 07/31/2009 2:49:19 AM PDT by 2ndClassCitizen (Most of the Kenyan's friends hate capitalism, freedom, and whites.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Do you believe Obama is hiding or lying about something regarding his origins?

hehehe...Now why would anyone think that? Amongst the hundreds of things that bother me, I'll give you two that really really worry me:

Only ONE human being maintains they have ever seen Stanley Ann and Obama Sr together in Hawaii, and that's Neil Abercrombie...

And the other, is he was sworn in a second time in private, no camera, no microphone, no video. Just one image of him with his hand up - we don't what was sworn or WHO was sworn. Do we?

147 posted on 07/31/2009 2:57:41 AM PDT by Fred Nerks (fair dinkum!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yes, many, many things. Like his grade transcripts.


148 posted on 07/31/2009 3:19:59 AM PDT by Leisler ("It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged."~G.K. Chesterton)
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To: Jim Robinson

Speaker of the House of Representatives, Langdon Cheves, in February of 1814:

The children have a natural attachment to the society in which they are born: being obliged to acknowledge the protection it has granted to their fathers, they are obliged to it in a great measure for their birth and education. … We have just observed that they have a right to enter into the society of which their fathers were members. But every man born free, the son of a citizen, arrived at years of discretion, may examine whether it be convenient for him to join in the society for which he was destined by his birth.

Rep. A. Smyth (VA), House of Representatives, December 1820:

When we apply the term “citizens” to the inhabitants of States, it means those who are members of the political community. The civil law determined the condition of the son by that of the father. A man whose father was not a citizen was allowed to be a perpetual inhabitant, but not a citizen, unless citizenship was conferred on him.

The constitutional requirement for the President of the United States to be a natural-born citizen had one purpose according to St. George Tucker:

That provision in the constitution which requires that the president shall be a native-born citizen (unless he were a citizen of the United States when the constitution was adopted,) is a happy means of security against foreign influence, which, wherever it is capable of being exerted, is to he dreaded more than the plague.

The admission of foreigners into our councils, consequently, cannot be too much guarded against; their total exclusion from a station to which foreign nations have been accustomed to, attach ideas of sovereign power, sacredness of character, and hereditary right, is a measure of the most consummate policy and wisdom.

… The title of king, prince, emperor, or czar, without the smallest addition to his powers, would have rendered him a member of the fraternity of crowned heads: their common cause has more than once threatened the desolation of Europe.

To have added a member to this sacred family in America, would have invited and perpetuated among us all the evils
of Pandora’s Box.

http://federalistblog.us/2008/11/natural-born_citizen_defined.html


149 posted on 07/31/2009 3:24:49 AM PDT by bushpilot1
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To: Jim Robinson
I can't be certain.But one thing of which I *am* certain is that *if* Hussein is ineligible to serve as President under Section I of Article II both he *and* his minions would attempt to conceal that fact...to quote his hero,Malcolm X...”by any means necessary”.
150 posted on 07/31/2009 3:24:53 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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