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Posted on 07/30/2009 11:51:05 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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“Do you believe Obama is hiding or lying about something regarding his origins?”
ABSOLUTELY! There would be no reason to hide the information and no reason to spend so much money in the process unless there was damaging information to be seen.
Yes, he’s hiding something and it’s important, whatever it is. For a while, I thought it might simply be something embarrassing to him and something that would reveal his touching stories about himself to be made up out of whole cloth. In other words, it would ruin his image, and since image was all he had, it could be disastrous for him both politically and personally.
But increasingly I am beginning to think that it is something that makes him legally unqualified to hold office. I’d tend to think it has to do with his possible Indonesian citizenship, but who knows?
We know absolutely nothing about this man, including his real name. Everything about him has been hidden. I think he’s keeping the birth certificate hidden for one of two (contradictory) reasons. Either it is the key to finding out other things OR he is, like a magician, trying to keep people focused on it because there actually is nothing damning in it...but instead there is something somewhere else that he doesn’t want us to see or to attempt to find. In any case, he’s lying about something and it’s serious.
Lat year I rode the ferry boat from Zamboanga, Philippines to Malaysia. Met two Muslim businessmen, we were talking about Obama. They never heard or read his father was a Muslim.
I told them he was. They said based upon the father being a Muslim, Obama is a Muslim, nothing can change that. Told them he is denying hes a Muslim. They got angry about that.
They went on to say, he must know he is a Muslim and denying it to get elected.
If he his denying his true faith given to him from his father. He has to be lying about many things in his life, including his birth.
Thanks Abe Lincoln for getting us into this mess.
Yup. It’s why he won’t release his personal documents from his birth certificate on down through his college records...
The REAL Barack Obama is imprisoned in a castle dungeon somewhere in Provence and kept in a Iron mask.
His evil twin Barry Sorento ,(nobody knew there were twins, it was kept a secret even from his mother) with the help of the Minister of Unknown Stuff ,A.K.A Carl Rove. has seized the throne of America
Dr. Rove will soon join George Bush in revealing this sinister plan.
As arrogant as BO is, he and his minions would have shoved the BC in everyone’s face if there were nothing to hide.
I would like to know what reason he is giving his staffers as to why he won't put this to rest. Gibbs looked very uncomfortable when asked at a press conference about it. I'm thinking even he is nervous about what's being hidden.
uhbama is used to skating. He may or may not be a natural born citizen, but he certainly has done a great deal to keep his nation unsettled by refusing to PROVE he is a citizen...and it is supremely unsettling to know he has spent over 900,000 dollars on legal fees on lawyers to make certain his history-as well as his origins-are not disclosed.
But speaking of his history, his failure to provide even his passport used to travel to Indonesia and Africa, his college financial statements, etc is also very creepy and upsetting to those who feel he is an imposter.
He may be gifted, using oration to lie and waffle, like bill clinton did, but he is not worthy of the presidency acting like man who does not care that many of the citizens he serves desire normal proof of his qualification to be our President. He acts like a man who has a great deal to hide. Maybe he does this to keep those who did not vote for him agitated. Obviously, he had made it known that he is only there to serve democrats, not the entire nation, and he reminds us of it very time he is challanged-"Because I WON!"-(and don't you forget it
We know his dirtbag associations...we know nothing of his schooling, finances or origins. And neither do the sick liberals who voted for him.
“The House voted to proclaim Obama natural-born but if this were provably true, why bother?
And if Obama is lying in wait to embarrass the Birthers, why telegraph it with a House vote, when producing the BC would be a knockout punch?
Two very good points- I agree.
He’s a lying fraud, and he has been concealing ALL the records that would show who he really is.
Yes, I believe that he’s hiding something and that it is sufficient to have him declared ineligible and removed from office. I also think that the higher ups in the democrat party know this and as such, believe that such a revelation will cost them their jobs.
I also find it strange that the only ‘facts’ we have about his birth and life are those that he has offered himself, such as his autobiography, something we know to be largely made up and that we suspect to have been written by someone else. I think that the man came to Chicago largely as a blank sheet on which leftists were able to write a tale to present to the USA, and that his ticket to this country was underwritten by various leftists, as were his tickets to various other countries such as Pakistan. I think that once he was in Chicago, he was welcomed with open arms and nurtured carefully into his appointed task.
Yes, I think that there is more and I think that the whole reason that the racial issue with Gates and Crowley made it to the White House recently was that the truth about Obama is close to being revealed and that this was a measure used to protect Obama. I think that he did not realize just how the masses would react and that the ‘beer summit’ was a reaction to that-damage control.
Yes, he’s hiding something and the truth, I think, is close to coming out. I also think that his handlers are coming to see him as a liability.
Yes, without a doubt he’s hiding many things about his past and it needs to be revealed.
He works for US.
“Do you believe Obama is hiding or lying about something regarding his origins?”
There is enough evidence that has been put forward to say YES, ABSOLUTELY he IS hiding, or lying about his origins.
The concerted effort by his allies in the cloaking scheme further enhance the suspicions projected by many.
His lack of candor about himself should have eliminated him during the running for the Presidency.
It’s time we know who our President is.
“...he pulls out a legitimate BC, shows the world that we are such racists...”
The only ‘legitimate BC’ is one he daren’t expose.
I know, I know — he is so intelligent and so cunning...not!
Pride will be the downfall of Obama.
Mark me down as another “YES, they are hiding something”, and, that something has to be a matter of great importance, and not just an embarassment that could be spun in these crazy times we live in.
As for the “anti-birthers”, I ask them “Why are you willing to take the word of proven liars with an agenda? Are you the ones who fall for Nigerian email scams as well?”
Also, the “kookery” charge is recent and smacks of the old commie tactic of making the claim that since something has been proven because they say it has, those that don’t accept that proclaimed truth are crazy. Take for example the global warming topic. They just claim the debate is over, and that anyone who who disputes that “fact”, is a loon. Well, the tactic is being used on this topic as well. Don’t be fooled! There is fire here, and seeing the flames don’t mean you are crazy!!!
Obama literally IS hiding his original birth certificate. The only question is why and that is open for speculation.
I do not believe Obama is a natural born citizen. My entire family thinks the same.
Yes, he is hiding everything!
1. He is hiding his true citizenship.
2. He is hiding his true religion.
3. He is hiding (not very well) his true political beliefs.
4. He is hiding who funded his rise.
Yes. He is certainly hiding something. His colb is a forgery. Add to that the recinded orders of Major Cook and all of the other missing records. He certainly is hiding something.
Something just doesn’t ring true. Why did he make that hasty trip to Hawaii, his granny dieing? Good time to insure there is no evidence perhaps. Knowing the great concirn of the little people why doesn’t he just give proof of birth, unless he is not being honest.
Yes. He’s hiding something. This is the most secretive administration I’ve ever seen about the background of the president. Normally, they’re excited to crow about their candidate, but they’ve shut down access to just about every record that would verify the multiple stories about this man’s origins that are out there.
It’s easy to release a long form birth certificate...or as some are now saying...the vital records that prove the natural born status of Obama.
Why, when all the presidents allowed their college and university transcripts out there for public view, won’t Obama let anyone see what his grades were at Occidental, Columbia and Harvard.
That was a huge deal with Gore, Kerry and Bush.
What’s the deal? I want to see them. Let’s see how brilliant Zero is.
The media can make anybody look like a lunatic by endlessly repeating the charge of lunacy. However, the media studiously avoids the question of why Obama will not produce an original birth certificate.
I remember Pravda suggesting that granny never died that Obama has her in hiding, that the ashes he threw of her into the ocean were of the wrong quantity, color and consistency to have been of human origin.
Easy to be castigated as a kook if you press the "natural-born" -- especially since it involves minutia about the law, and people ask how his mother made it overseas for the birth.
One may focus on the other missing records, and to suggest his birth certificate has an embarrassing typo -- such as listing him as "white" or "female" : or that his father was really Geraldo Rivera or somesuch.
as is yours, Clinging Bitterly
As posted here to pissant
IMO ".. the core issue of Obama: a lack of honesty and (his continual) deception at a fundamental level. Lying comes as naturally to Obama as caring did to Mother Teresa.
... I do not know if he is eligible to be President. I have not seen proof. Neither has anyone else - BORs & KOS claims to the contrary. ...
before certain people classify me as nirther or birther, save your breath: I am a skeptical, rational, and sober individual.
At the most Obama is ineligible. IMO, this is not a probability, but it is a possibility. At the very least, Obama is hiding something of lesser impact. Something that should have been addressed head on. ...
Something that might have been just embarrassing years ago has now become a great liability. He has a tar baby on his hands. He and his family have hidden things, perhaps destroyed records, and deflected for years. Now his handlers and the MSM are continuing the deflection.
When the record(s) do become public, which they will, further doubt will be cast upon our President. A hard core group will still believe in the Obama, but the middle will shift away.
To those who say we should concentrate on other issues such as health care and cap and tax; reminder, it is possible to chew gum and walk at the same time.
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As Clinging Bitterly wrote, keep pushing, keep the pressure on. The Left would do it to us. Let us not disappoint them.
To refuse your birth record when it is a qualifier for the position you hold ... and be allowed to hold that position without being held to account makes me conclude that that he is not qualified
That his school records and the records of his support and his associations all being a black hole, also speak loudly to the same conclusion and allthemore loudly to the compliant press and his fellow travelers
One must draw the same conclusion for John Kerry's refusal to release his records, though his are not a qualifier for the most powerful job in the world
May I add, it doesn’t seem to matter where you look, some anomaly always pops its head up:
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He has gone to great lengths and expense to completely erase his past.
He is a phony America hating SOB.
Yes, a normal person would be open and transparent about their essential records.
It is irrational to fight the release of a long form birth certificate and other documents all the way to the Supreme Court.
Her parents registered her birth with the US Embassy, which issued her a US government birth cert. The Indonesian BC doesn't matter.
When her parents came back to the US in 1977, she was issued a COLB and a passport.
She had been issued a US Passport before she left Indonesia. You don't get a passport after arriving in the U.S., you must have it already to be admitted.
Now, 32 years later, she just got another passport and she only provided her COLB and that old passport.
The old U.S. passport is the proof of U.S. citizenship she needed to obtain a new passport. The COLB was irrelevant.
The COLB doesn't even list her parents but she received her brand new passport in record time just a few weeks ago.
She'd proved U.S. citizenship via an old passport, so unless the application form was messed up it should only take a few weeks. Days if you pay extra.
Yes. If it was only the BC that might be one thing, but it is every document about his life.
I believe he is not qualified to be president. His fund raising was done fraudulently and anyone who donated to his campaign should demand their money back. I believe he was not qualified to be a US Senator. I believe he lied on his application to the Bar.
Add another to the yes column.
Of course. But maybe not that he was foreign born. One doesn’t spend the money defending an easily producible document if they aren’t hiding something. Could be BO Sr is not his father. Could be he isn’t black at all, but more Arab. Who knows? We probably will never know because the power trying to hide something is the power that is.
Almost everyone in life has something they are hiding from others in their lives or from the world. Some just have bigger secrets and more dangerous secrets than others. No one goes to so much trouble to hide parts of their life unless there is something questionable, embarrassing, or illegal about their past. An honest person with nothing to hide would disseminate all information being requested from them when asked to do so; especially someone who holds the highest position of power in the land and in the world.
Yet they chronicled every detail of McCain’s health, particularly his melanoma status. And by the way, lots of people thought he might die prematurely in office. Well, McCain is doing just fine. Not a Reagan, but we’d be a lot better off at this point if he had won.
Yes. I believe he holds a dual citizenship.
HOWEVER, the law will be followed dammit.
BTW to be a truther you have to suspend belief in general science. To be a birther you have to believe that one man is hiding something. No conspiracy yet.
I had never considered a deal with Indonesia. Makes sense. Still, you’d have to be perfect and above making mistakes in order to scrub every single scrap of paper that could reveal who you are. How do these buffoons, who can hardly walk and chew gum simultaneously, excel at something that most of us smart people could never pull off?
It was once said by the “Rathers”© on the left, that George W. Bush was not eligible for the office of the presidency because he had gone AWOL during his service in the Air National Guard.
It was a serious accusation, it meant that George W. Bush was guilty of a federal offence under the UCMJ and might not be eligible for the office which he held at the time.
so to silence the “Rathers”© George W. Bush released all his records, in true transparency that included not only his birth certificate (as part of his Officers service record book) but his school records, his medical records his dental records, his flight log book and all military pay records. Faced with this complete disclosure, the “Rathers”© had no choice but to actually forge a fictitious and easily disprovable letter that stated in effect only they wanted to prove.
And now in a mirror opposite of the presidency of George W. Bush, we have another man that is said to be not eligible for the office of the presidency, only this time the “Rathers”© are covering up his past, using forged documents to shield him from scrutiny, and allowing him to spend millions of dollars from his campaign fund to hide a single sheet of paper that would normally cost $12 from being exposed in a court of law.
If Obama had an “R” after his name the “Rathers”© would be rioting in the streets calling for his immediate arrest on a host of charges from forgery to murder.
The Birthers still believe that our laws will eventually win out.
I pray they are right, because if the law fails us by 2012 this country as we knew it won’t exist.
The Dems could make us all look like nuts by producing it. They haven't.
Where there is smoke, it's a good idea to check for fire.
I think Anne is his bio mother. They really do look alike. But Obama does not resemble his purported father at all. Odinga was very dark, with very prominent features. B.O. has none of his features, but he does look just like Frank Marshall Davis.
Yes, he’s both lying and hiding.
Time to release the long-form BC, passport records, school admissions and funding records, overseas contributions to his campaign, etc.
I think he is hiding something. I just don’t know what it is.
1.Obama delivered not one, but three different COLBs as proof of natural born citizen status. The one most commonly referred to by the press is attached. It is clearly a forgery.
2.Also attached is a real Hawaiian COLB issued to two twin girls born at one of the two hospitals Obama claims to have been born at. Their birth was less than 24 hours after Obamas alleged birth. You will see that the real COLB looks nothing like the COLB produced by the Obama camp.
3.I have also attached an excerpt of Hawaiian law regarding the rules for issuing a COLB, which does NOT require that a child be born in Hawaii, or even born to US citizens, in order to receive a COLB, which explains how a foreign father could get a Hawaiian COLB for his son. Read it carefully.
4.If you research the Founders remarks regarding their natural born citizen clause, Article II - Section I of the US Constitution, you will learn that is doesnt really matter where Barack Hussein Obama II was born, but rather where his father, Barack Hussein Obama I was a legal citizen at the time of the birth. The dual citizenship - divided loyalty clause, natural law was written into the Constitution for exactly the situation Barack Obama II represents. As the son of a British subject and citizen of Africa, Obama II would by birth right - natural law automatically adopt the name and citizenship of his father, who was not a US Citizen. This means that Obama II would have the very dual or divided loyalties that the Founders attempted to keep out of the Oval Office by way of Article II - Section I. And in case there is any doubt about the dangers involved of ignoring that clause, we can now see first hand, the result of having a president with divided loyalties in his global agenda, at odds with American interests.
There are two different COLBs. One is a certificate of live birth used for Hawaiian born citizens. The other is a certification of live birth used for Hawaiian residents born outside of Hawaii. Which one does Obama have, the one referred to by Hawaii officials as real.?
Great post. In my spy novel fantasy, brilliant Mossad agents infiltrate all of these institutions and uncover the dirt.
Yes. If there was nothing being hidden, there would be full disclosure of his records, if for no other reason than for historical purposes.
Yes, and the more he tries to hide it or make people who question it out to be lunatics, I think it more so.
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