Skip to comments.FR Poll: Do you believe Obama is hiding or lying about something regarding his origins?
Posted on 07/30/2009 11:51:05 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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It’s pretty obvious he is.
Nobody would spend that much money to keep a birth certificate a secret if he didn’t have something to hide.
No matter how you look at it, and no matter how many reasonable and rational conservatives tell me to forget about it and move on, I keep on coming back to that one point.
Over a half a million dollars in legal fees... just to keep the long form birth certificate out of sight.
That’s the reality.
I'll tell you what I think instead. I think I need to take a break from all this and clear my head, and that's exactly what I'm going to do.
You're a good man, Jim.
Really? where is it? have you seen it? All there is is a COLB, and that is not proof of being born in Hawaii.
Well, except that almost all Republicans are declining to challenge Obama on this issue. It’s hard to tar the GOP with advancing an issue they repeatedly go on the record as declining.
As for lying about his origins, its hard to tell because we don't know much. All we can do is speculate, because despite many legal attempts to get at what he is hiding, Obama has kept the truth succesfully hidden.
One can speculate about his motivation. However the most obvious theory: that his records will cast doubt on his citizenship, is not the only plausible explination. Perhaps its simply there is something unrelated that happens to be embarrassing in them.
Yes - he’s supposed to be CinC of the military and would gain an enormous amount of perceived (but grudging) validity from those who take their oath seriously.
Proving his ‘natural born citizenship’ would blunt or eliminate what could be a very significant force in support of correcting a Constitutional crisis.
I second this opinion. The House voted to proclaim Obama natural-born but if this were provably true, why bother?
And if Obama is lying in wait to embarrass the Birthers, why telegraph it with a House vote, when producing the BC would be a knockout punch?
That’s a tough question, you’re talking about the DMV!!! LOL
I think that your theory is more than too cute by half.
But no, I think there's something in his past that he is hiding. A very big lie or omission of some kind.
I read an excellent piece in National Review today that explains how almost all the known history of the Present Occupant comes from his autobiographies rather than folks who knew him. He said himself there are “composite characters” in those volumes, and other things he has written have been shown to be embellished or completely fabricated.
Keep pushing I say. On all fronts. It's no less or more than lefties did to Bush over Florida 2000 and Ohio 2004. Right up to Jan. 20, 2009 they were always there.
History will record him as the first American president to have been elected with such fanfare and media slobber who then did not finish his first term in office.
For the record, the guy is an idiot. I've known parrots who spoke with equally precise elocution, but who otherwise had the mental capacity of a tick. Same thing.
Correct again; I remembered that after I posted.
Just pointing out that your alleged fear it will cast a shadow on the GOP is not based in fact.
I don’t question Stargate SG-1, I just enjoy it, over, and over, and over...
Without a doubt and I’m very grateful to Free Republic for allowing us to voice our opinion on this subject. While no one can say for sure, if there were nothing to it, he would produce the birth certificate. We must have a President who is constitutionally eligible to hold the office.
So we let the citizenship laws of *other* countries determine who is or isn’t eligible to become POTUS? I thought we were a sovereign nation. Shouldn’t *our* laws be the basis of our government? What do we when some country suddenly passes a law declaring that anyone who has ever set foot on its soil is a citizen of that country and only that country — no dual citizenship?
How do you change your freepname but not your freepdate?
I was thinking about the same article.
I do because if everything was on the up & up about his birth then 0bama would be happy to show the real copy. I also think this issue should have been handled before the election. I would think all people who plan to run would have all their papers etc in order & be willing to let we the people see them.
No, Our Savior can not and would not lie to us.
Do you believe Obama is hiding or lying about something regarding his origins?
Check out #21, too
(Thanx for the pings, Slings and Arrows, PhilDragoo, and 1-COUNTER-MORTER-68.) .
To me, the most interesting part of his history is one that was revealed prior to the election, but got very little exposure.
The telling aspect is that the name “Barack Hussein Obama” was one he purposely chose after being know for about 18 years as “Barry Soetoro.”
His choice was made knowing full well the implications of being “The Promise Of Hussein, He Who Is To Come.”
While I am quite sure he is hiding something from the public - (Hell! He’s hiding almost EVERYTHING from the public!) - the fact that he chose a name of such import is, in itself, damning.
But I don't disbelieve it either.
Also, what's up with all the SS numbers (37 different numbers issued to a Barack Hussein Obama, I believe).
Too many odd things about this guy and no answers!
The first thing a criminal defense lawyer will tell his client is “Don’t say anything!”.
The Obama team has removed every bit of Obama’s history they could. If it isn’t there, you can’t criticize it. The Birth Certificate, his school records, his thesis, etc, etc.
I hope you came back for Voyager. Way better than TNG or DS9, I thought.
Yeppers. Don’t know what’s being covered up but something is not kosher. Too many people trying to duck, dodge and avoid the issue rather than coughing up some simple evidence.
The Hawaiian forgery, the eyewitness accounts in Africa and Indonesia, the listing of his citizenship on documents that state other than United States are compelling enough to raise serious doubt at the very least and possibly even enough to have him removed from office.
The Israelis were on to him even before most of us....
Kudos to Free Republic for airing this question.
I have asked Obots over 100 times, and I will ask here.
Why does Obama refuse to release his real birth certificate?
It would end all of the debate and questions, with everyone,
but maybe a few fringe kooks.
No one has ever given me an answer.
Short answer, yes. BUT, I’m not convinced it has anything to do with his eligibility either. I suspect he’s hiding something truly embarrassing and I wonder just what could possibly be such an embarrassment that he’s willing to go to such lengths to keep it hidden. One thing is almost a certainty in my mind, and that is Odinga Sr. is NOT his biological father. If not then, who is? And WHY would it be worth hiding. For all we know the Dunham girl may not even be his mother. Maybe he’s the product of a rape? Maybe even the Dunham girl’s mother? Or maybe the Dunham girl’s dad hooked up with the upstairs maid? Whatever, Rosemary’s Baby comes to mind...
Ummm, actually it is. My niece was born in Indonesia in 1976 when my BIL was working for Hughes. She has a long form Indonesian BC. When her parents came back to the US in 1977, she was issued a COLB and a passport.
Now, 32 years later, she just got another passport and she only provided her COLB and that old passport. The COLB doesn't even list her parents but she recieved her brand new passport in record time just a few weeks ago.
Thank you for Free Republic.
Obama has mastered the art of obfuscation. He feeds the confused with purposefully ambiguous mantras designed to absorb the projections of their intended targets. Thus he can be all things to all people, even the “messiah”. His game plan has been deception at every turn. It is interesting that he recently “mis-calibrated” and revealed a glimpse of the real Obama for anyone wishing to see. Curious that “O” didn’t invite the Good Reverend Wright to moderate at the White House beer fest. Obama is redirecting attention away from his little “slip” onto Gates and Crowley rather than his own stupidity in revealing himself.
Obama is clearly rooted in Black Liberation Theology, Alinsky, and Marx. Sadly, the majority of Americans have become lazy choosing to be uninformed and easily manipulated. That’s the only reason I can figure, that we elected this chameleon from hell to be our president.
As the sheeple go, so goes the nation.
Of course he’s hiding his foreign birth & upbringing...he can’t play baseball.
Thanks, Jet Jaguar. I just pinged everyone, but omitted your name because you were already on the thread. (See #76.)
Hope you don’t mind.
If it's to keep a piece of paper hidden, then yes, the expense seems inordinate. But try looking at it from another angle. If, as other posters have suggested, he's playing a combination of rope-a-dope and the Long Con, then half a mil or even a million or more is a modest and entirely reasonable investment in a gotcha that, barring catastrophe, he can spring on us 36 months from now.
What is he hiding? I don’t know.
It is not necessarily something relating specifically to the Hawaiian birth certificate; I suspect Obama is taking a “crack in the dam” approach, such that if he shows a willingness to concede disclosing his original birth certificate, he fears a crack in the dam such that public pressure could build for him to come clean on all his records, including his college records.
My guess as to what might be behind his concealing his records?
First, we know from the Lolo Soetoro and Ann Dunham divorce papers that Barry was Lolo’s son. It’s so recited in the legal filing. That was in the late summer of 1980, so Barry was a rising sophomore in college and was STILL at that time Lolo Soetoro’s son.
How did that come about? I think when Ann and her children moved to Indonesia to be with her husband Lolo, that she and Lolo expected them to remain in Indonesia for the rest of their lives.
Lolo was back home; Ann was an anti-American marxist who believed in the inherent nobility and superiority of Third World cultures.
So I would expect that Lolo adopted Barry, if he had not already done so earlier when they were married in Hawaii, and that Barry, and perhaps Ann as well, became a naturalized citizen of Indonesia.
Now that does not mean Barry lost his US citizenship; he was not of the age of majority at the time and it is hard for a minor to renounce US citizenship. And it is not necessarily the case that the state of Hawaii vital records office was ever formally notified by anybody that Lolo had adopted Barry or that Barry had become an Indonesian citizen.
In the course of time, after a number of years, the marriage becomes less happy. And it is decided to send Barry to Hawaii to live with his grandparents. This was probably done for educational reasons, in that Ann thinks Barry could get a better education in Hawaii.
But legally he remained Lolo’s son and an Indonesian citizen.
So Barry goes through Punahou, focusing on basketball and partying.
When the time comes for college, Barry has limited choices available. This is not because Punahou is not an excellent school; it is. But Barry may well have done quite poorly on the SATs, and if his grades were less impressive, then even affirmative action might be insufficient to get him into a good college. The other stumbling block might be his white mother and white grandparents; college admissions officers might prefer to take affirmative action admissions from black families in economically deprived circumstances.
Nevertheless, I recall in those years how so many colleges were following the fad of “internationalization,” and it was commonplace for a university to brag about the international breadth of its matriculating students. In fact, it still is. The more exotic the country, the more interested the college would be in the student.
So Barry, with his Indonesian citizenship, was something of an exotic animal in 1979.
So I suspect that Barry matriculated to college at Occidental as an Indonesian citizen. He may have even qualified for some type of additional financial aid under an Occidental international student program.
The problem for Barry arises if he obtains naturalization as an Indonesion AFTER attaining the age of 18 years.
So I wonder if Barry didn’t, after turning 18, at some time in his college years, take some affirmative action to renew his Indonesian citizenship under Indonesion law.
The current provision of US law governing this is Title 8 of the U.S. Code, Section 1481. I haven’t looked back to see what any predecessor to this statute said in the 1979-1980s time period. But it currently provides that obtaining naturalization in a foreign state upon his own application after turning 18 will cause him to lose US citizenship. And if Indonesia does not permit dual citizenship, there can be no doubt that he intended to thereby lose his US citizenship.
But at the time, perhaps the more important benefit to Barry was being an Indonesian citizen.
Consider his admission to Columbia. Even with affirmative action, it is not clear that an African-American with (let’s assume) not impressive grades and (let’s assume) not impressive SAT scores could get into Columbia. But as an exotic Indonesian citizen, Columbia might be interested.
It is interesting to note that Barack seemed to hang around the muslim students when he first arrived at Columbia. Now, I don’t think he is a muslim, I think he worships at the Temple of Marx & Lenin. But if Columbia treated him as an Indonesian, then when he arrived he may have been naturally introduced to Indonesian and Muslim professors and fellow students.
I wonder if it may even have been the case that he entered Harvard Law as an Indonesian. This strikes me as less necessary, as I think African-American plus the critical Columbia degree, even with middling grades, might have been enough to get into Harvard in the early-to-mid 1980s.
But who knows? His records are all hidden.
Now, someone might be thinking, well surely some employee in the registrar’s office at Occidental or Columbia has taken a peek at his files, and noticed that he was listed as an Indonesian citizen, and would have spilled the beans.
To that I would say, not necessarily; the liberal-lefties have a stranglehold on places like Occidental and Columbia, and there may be no one with access to his records who has an interest in spilling the beans.
But, in the absence of the disclosure of the records, the foregoing is mere speculation.
Yes. I do. You bet I do.
I believe that he was likely not born on the Island and had his birth registered late, is legitimately either British or Kenyan most likely British due to his father, which makes him constitutionally ineligible. The fact he is hiding it so strenuously is not disabusing me of the idea either.
Absolutely. Everything I can find points to it. EVERYTHING. Including some of his own slipups. What I DON’T agree is that the COLB is a forgery. As I told you, and as I posted, it doesn’t need to be. It is NOT proof of his origin.
Yes, I do. I think he probably was really born in Hawaii ... but I think there’s something embarrassing written on his birth certificate, like “illegitimate” or “mulatto” or something of that sort. I would love for him to finally release his b/c, just because I’m curious what he is trying to hide.
Barrak Hussein Obama II was born to a white American Ann Dunham and Kenyan Barrak Hussein Obama Snr, in Nyangoma Kogelo now in Kenya.
Now where did they get that information? Not from us "birthers" as it preceeded us.
AMEN and AMEN!!!
And any claims about how the masses will rise up, that is like saying I have to take it or else, I have no choice in the matter and the constitution is irrelevant for starters.
And yes I do think he is lying... about everything in his life. I cannot help but wonder where he gets so much money from that he can afford the teams of lawyers he is using to cover up his past. We need to get him out before he does any more damage