Skip to comments.McClatchy investigation: Birthers are just plain nuts
Posted on 07/31/2009 11:32:06 AM PDT by ItsMeOKEdited on 07/31/2009 12:53:16 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
WASHINGTON — The false allegation that President Barack Obama was born in another country is more than a fact-free hit job.
Marked by accusations and backstabbing, it's the story of how a small but intense movement called "birthers" rose from a handful of people prone to seeing conspiracies, aided by the Internet, magnified without evidence by eager radio and cable TV hosts, and eventually ratified by a small group of Republican politicians working to keep the story alive on the floors of Congress and the campaign trails of the Midwest.
(Excerpt) Read more at primebuzz.kcstar.com ...
Rush just brought up the birth certificate issue and not as a joke as he had done before!
Yup, we’re crazy. Now where’s the Birth certificate?
So Obama’s opposition demanding the transparency he promised is nuts but his supporters forgiving that lie is OK?
More alinsky smears from the left if you ask me.
The bigger question should be why isn’t 0bama spending $15 and some first class postage to end this once and for all?
Why is all of his records sealed?
He’s smart enough to let others take the flak on this until the target is clearly in sight.
“Rush just brought up the birth certificate issue and not as a joke as he had done before!”
Really, I don’t get his broadcasts here. What did he say in summary?
Now, why do you suppose a hard-hitting investigative reporter would fail to follow up on this little nugget of information?
Well I’m a proud midwestern nut.
What’s next, trials for treason?
See how they say “false”? Prove that it is false. Open up all of those records.
He was speaking about Andy McCarthy.
Someone that is well informed on this topic informed me of the following.
“Rush is buds with Andy McCarthy, who wrote an in depth piece on it yesterday for Nat. Review. Rebutting the weak crap that Lowry & Co. put out the day prior.”
Just reading “Road to Serfdom” (again).
In a totalitarian collectivist system, it is (and has been) considered treasonous to question the success or probability of success of any of the “planners’” programs & policies.
Not far off. Happens every time.
“Whats next, trials for treason?”
Trial for Treason?
You => No
The “ONE” => Could be.
I surprised that it wasn’t Yael Abu [insert throat clearing sound] halka.
It’s like feeding fish. Posting and re-posting articles to see the frenzy on FR.
The Birthers should actually be called Barrys Biography Brigade. Why? because the state-run media, the RNC, the DNC, and popular Presidential biographers (like maybe Doris Kearns-Goodwin or Douglas Brinkley) lacked the intellectual curiosity to investigate or vet the obscured life of The One. Burf records are only one concern. Most of the obfuscation is NOT complex - but simply slight of hand. The BBBs are smart - they can multitask and go after ALL aspects of the New Poseur (Swiftboaters turned Burfboaters?).
On October 1, 2008 I broke my 25 year subscription to the Kansas City Falling Star Newspaper.
The Falling Star only prints the lefts propaganda.
For the most part Rush has dedicated far, far, far too little time and has been far, far, far too late on Obama’s eligibility to do much good. He has done just enough, so when Obama is proven to be a fraud, and his listeners are justifiably **furious** and **disgusted** with him, he can say, “Play the tape! See! I did talk about it.!”
Unless Rush seriously repents I stand by opinion of him. He is a big, fat, loud mouth of a **weenie** and has the gonads of a dust mite!
One more thing!
I am sick of Rush's use of the word “radical leftist”! Rush is a gifted communicator and has the talent and means to educate his listeners. The correct term is **MARXISTS**or **COMMUNISTS** and in many ways they are **FASCISTS**! What we are deal with is a world wide, and highly dangerous philosophical communist movement! Calling them “radical leftists” makes them sound as harmless as a Norwegian!
( My apologies to Norwegians.)
Kim Jong Il was born while his parents were in exile in Russia. North Korean schoolchildren learn that Dear Leader was born on a sacred mountain in North Korea.
Sound like our schools and media?
In his NR piece, Andy McCarthy writes:
As far as Obama's eligibility to be president is concerned, it is Hawaii or the highway: If he was not physically born in the U.S., he cannot qualify as a "natural born" citizen. I assumed that was pretty common knowledge, even if the legal reasons why it is so are not well understood. (Obama's mother was too young and hadn't fulfilled indeed, could not at that age fulfill the necessary conditions to pass U.S. citizenship to her child derivatively.)
Interestingly, that may not be true. We have Title 8 §1409 (c):
(c) Notwithstanding the provision of subsection (a) of this section, a person born, after December 23, 1952, outside the United States and out of wedlock shall be held to have acquired at birth the nationality status of his mother, if the mother had the nationality of the United States at the time of such persons birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.
So, it was seem, if the little bastard was indeed a bastard, he skates, even if born in Mombasa. Now, his parents got married in Hawaii in February, 1961. So, at first glance, he would appear to be legitimate, and the above would not apply. However, his parents' marriage was likely invalid because BHO, Sr. already had a wife back in Kenya. In which case, Zero would be in the clear, and all that birther work would be for naught!
Let me get this straight
The press and Democrats claimed that George Herbert Walker Bush secretly flew to Iran in 1980 in a U2 spy plane to arrange for Iran to hold the hostages until Reagan got in.
The press and Democrats claimed that GW Bush knew and planned the 9/11 attacks.
The press and Democrats claimed that Dick Cheney and Scooter Libby leaked information about Valarie Plame.
The press and Democrats claimed that GW Bush was awol from the National Guard even when their evidence was found false.
The press and Democrats claimed that Trig Palin was really the child of Sarah Palin’s daughter.
Yet if someone wonders why the President won’t release the long form Birth Certificate they are crazy nutcases!
And their antagonists are working overtime to get the message out. Why?
I never alleged the 2007 document is a forgery. I point out that it isn't a birth certificate. I also point out that his presidential run has been sponsored since the mid-1990s when his "unknown" autobiography was (A) approved and (B) became a bestseller. What had he done of note up to that point?
The COLB came about in 2001. But it doesn't contain the details of a birth certificate. Close only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades. There are corrupt figures working for the DMV who'll knowingly provide a legitimate driver's license to people (who pay extra) with a bogus name and background. A number of them have been caught in the act. But others have gotten away with it.
He's fought the release of his birth certificate for over a year now. Why? Sure is a lot of wasted effort and money for someone who claimed transparency.
And lastly. George Soros is a wellknown sponsor of Obama's candidacy. Factcheck.org is NOT an independent review. It is another Soros funded front group.
So we have lies, distortions, half truths, and omissions. All in the first couple of paragraphs of "facts".
"Facts are funny things." - Ronald Reagan
A complete misleading statement!
White House smoke screen distraction. We just want to see the long form B.C., nothing else!!
But this is what you can expect from the "After-birther" crowd until the truth comes out!!!
Actually on recollection, Bill Ayers (Obama’s mentor and another political sponsor) is behind Factcheck.
And McClatchy is just plain bankrupt and needs to go out of business. No not Chapter 11 and bail out by Obama. But chapter 7 liquidation.
Dan Blather said they other day that Obama needed to help the media survive. Blather was wrong again it needs to have some of the Obama end of life care treatment.
Period. Dot. Bingo.
You forgot Obama and the Democrats questioning McCain’s eligibility in 2008.
Notice how they don’t bother to use as much ink denying Obama’s agenda is Socialist.
How would they know I from the South?
How could the know if I am RAT, a pubbie, a indentp, a commie, black or white??
They must think that we live under a rock. ROTLMAO!!
“The bigger question should be why isnt 0bama spending $15 and some first class postage to end this once and for all?
Why is all of his records sealed?”
He’s probably not even human and a just a cyborg....
So I guess the U.S. Constitution does not matter. According to Article 2 Section 1 of the Constitution a person must be a Natural Born U.S. Citizen (NBC) to be eligible for POTUS. A NBC is a person that is born on American soil to parents that are U.S. citizens.
In mathematical terms:
1 (both parents are US citizens) + 1 (born on American soil) = 2 (qualified per the constitution to be POTUS).
For OBAMA we have: 0 (both parents are US citizens) + 1 (born on American soil) = 1 (not qualified for POTUS).
Therefore, it does not matter where OBAMA was born. He is not eligible for POTUS because his father OBAMA Sr. was born in Kenya and was a British citizen.
OBAMA has spent millions of dollars to prevent the release his original long-form birth certificate. Why is that? Maybe the birth certificate will show that he was born in Kenya or it may show that OBAMA Sr. is not his father. We will never know the answer to this question unless we see the original long-form birth certificate.
That needs a link.
On recollection, Billy Ayers and Barack Obama served together on the board of a boondoggle charity, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, funded by the Annenberg Foundation, which also has funded FactCheck.org. Anybody have any evidence of direct involvement in FactCheck by Ayers or Obama?
If BHO wasn’t born here, how did he get in?
Maybe there are no clear ties at this time, maybe not.
Barry’s half-sister was born in Indonesia. (And has an Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth!) Barry’s half-brother was born in Kenya. What are the chances that Barry was born in America? Half-this, half-that - he may be a half-wit!
First, hat tip to RummyChick for having made this point in a number of threads.
Yes, Barack Obama Sr. had married Kezia Aoko in a Luo tribal ceremony that was sealed by the payment of 12 cows to her family. He had two children by her before leaving Kenya for Hawaii.
Current Hawaii law on this subject is found in Hawaii Laws Volume 12 Chapter 572:
§572-1 Requisites of valid marriage contract. In order to make valid the marriage contract, which shall be only between a man and a woman, it shall be necessary that:
(1) The respective parties do not stand in relation to each other of ancestor and descendant of any degree whatsoever, brother and sister of the half as well as to the whole blood, uncle and niece, aunt and nephew, whether the relationship is the result of the issue of parents married or not married to each other;
(2) Each of the parties at the time of contracting the marriage is at least sixteen years of age; provided that with the written approval of the family court of the circuit within which the minor resides, it shall be lawful for a person under the age of sixteen years, but in no event under the age of fifteen years, to marry, subject to section 572-2;
(3) The man does not at the time have any lawful wife living and that the woman does not at the time have any lawful husband living;
(4) Consent of neither party to the marriage has been obtained by force, duress, or fraud;
(5) Neither of the parties is a person afflicted with any loathsome disease concealed from, and unknown to, the other party;
(6) The man and woman to be married in the State shall have duly obtained a license for that purpose from the agent appointed to grant marriage licenses; and
(7) The marriage ceremony be performed in the State by a person or society with a valid license to solemnize marriages and the man and the woman to be married and the person performing the marriage ceremony be all physically present at the same place and time for the marriage ceremony.
One question that would have to be answered is whether under Luo tribal custom the marriage between Barack Obama, Sr. and Kezia was dissolved prior to his marriage to Ann Dunham, for example, by reason of abandonment.
On the one hand, it is claimed that Barack Obama, Sr. and Kezia had further children after his return to Kenya; on the other hand, the family has some doubt as to who the biological father of those children really was.
Who would ever have thought that the valid citizenship status of the president of the United States might turn on the interpretation of tribal customs of an obscure tribe living on the shores of Lake Victoria in Africa?
I am not one of those who think a Kenyan birth for Barack Obama is likely, but in the absence of the underlying records being released I do not absolutely rule out other possibilities, however unlikely they may appear.
It may be that they don't think they have to, what with everyone all focused on this.
Two birds, one stone: distract and marginalize.
thanks, I am glad after days and days of beating my head against the wall trying to get people to get the facts right that it is finally getting some traction. We should be looking at all sides not just pressing an agenda with false facts.
One out is if Ann went to Kenya and had a customary marriage. It would be recognized in Kenya. It would be recognied by UK immigration law until a later law was passed well after Obama was born. If he hadn’t applied for UK citizenship before that law was passed he was probably out of luck but I think he still would have been a UK citizen at birth.
I think the marriage would have been recognized by US immigration law but not 100% sure.
Another out is if you can find an immigration law that protected the child even though the daddy was a lying bigamist. There are some laws that protect foreign spouses if the US citizen spouse is a bigamist so there may be something out there that is applicable for children.
The easiest way to knock him out on this is to show he wasn’t even a US citizen IF born in Kenya. So someone should be looking into finding something that would do this under the fact pattern of a Marriage Void Ab Initio.
Btw, this kind of marriage can be subject to a collateral attack even if both parties are dead.
If he was born in the US, the bigamist marriage is still important because you don’t know how SCOTUS would rule. They may not consider the status of the father but the status of the child. So it would be important to figure out if he did , in fact, have UK citizenship.
He claimed he did. He should know he did not under a bigamist marriage. So maybe he was born in Kenya.
Or maybe there is something in the UK law that would protect the bastard child born on foreign soil when daddy was a lying bigamist. If both parents knew I doubt there would be protection. It would be a case if one party was duped by a liar.
I guess UK has more information on this since they did have colonies that were polygamous.
Who has the ability to cause everything to do down a black hole.
Not many people or groups can do that.
But there is one I know that can do it.
“Hes probably not even human and a just a cyborg....”
Not a cyborg, he’s got cloven hooves and a long pointy tail.
Leave Barack alone!!