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McClatchy investigation: Birthers are just plain nuts
KC Star ^ | July 31, 2009 | Bill Dalton

Posted on 07/31/2009 11:32:06 AM PDT by ItsMeOK

Edited on 07/31/2009 12:53:16 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

WASHINGTON The false allegation that President Barack Obama was born in another country is more than a fact-free hit job.

Marked by accusations and backstabbing, it's the story of how a small but intense movement called "birthers" rose from a handful of people prone to seeing conspiracies, aided by the Internet, magnified without evidence by eager radio and cable TV hosts, and eventually ratified by a small group of Republican politicians working to keep the story alive on the floors of Congress and the campaign trails of the Midwest.


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: allahpundit; atheistbloggers; ayersobamaconnection; birthers; certifigate; charlesjohnson; democrats; denialaintariver; hillary; hotair; lgf; littlegreenfruitcake; mccain; obama; obamaayersconnection; pravdamedia; pumas; releasethebc; rinos; smearcampaign

1 posted on 07/31/2009 11:32:06 AM PDT by ItsMeOK
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To: ItsMeOK

Rush just brought up the birth certificate issue and not as a joke as he had done before!


2 posted on 07/31/2009 11:34:02 AM PDT by pennboricua
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To: pennboricua

Yup, we’re crazy. Now where’s the Birth certificate?


3 posted on 07/31/2009 11:41:06 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: ItsMeOK

So Obama’s opposition demanding the transparency he promised is nuts but his supporters forgiving that lie is OK?


4 posted on 07/31/2009 11:41:36 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: ItsMeOK

More alinsky smears from the left if you ask me.

The bigger question should be why isn’t 0bama spending $15 and some first class postage to end this once and for all?

Why is all of his records sealed?


5 posted on 07/31/2009 11:42:16 AM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (For those who have had to fight for it, freedom has a flavor the protected shall never know.)
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To: pennboricua

He’s smart enough to let others take the flak on this until the target is clearly in sight.


6 posted on 07/31/2009 11:42:48 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (Kenya? Kenya? Kenya just show us the birth certificate?)
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To: pennboricua

“Rush just brought up the birth certificate issue and not as a joke as he had done before!”

Really, I don’t get his broadcasts here. What did he say in summary?


7 posted on 07/31/2009 11:43:47 AM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: ItsMeOK; All
Well... And imagine the timing of that article, and others, just as Daily KOS/Research2000 release this "poll", that is currently their lead story!!! Ya have to understand, doncha know, that we are all just STUPID SOUTHERN REDNECKS! And YOU wouldn't want to be associated with STUPID SOUTHERN REDNECKS, now would you, Mr. Media Guy? And Since only CRAZY SOUTHERN REDNECKS are concerned about Obama's legal status to be President, we can just ignore them, Right Mr. New York City Media Guy? Because YOU wouldn't want to be associated with any CRAZY SOUTHERN REDNECKS, now would ya? It's called "Building the Meme", using polling to minimalize and ridicule an opponent, or an opponents platform. And it's a game the Dems and the Insane internet left have become very good at. Do you believe that Barack Obama was born in the United States of America or not? Yes 77 No 11 Not sure 12 Yes No Not sure Dem 93 4 3 Rep 42 28 30 Ind 83 8 9 Northeast 93 4 3 South 47 23 30 Midwest 90 6 4 West 87 7 6
8 posted on 07/31/2009 11:47:29 AM PDT by tcrlaf ("Hope" is the most Evil of all Evils"-Neitzsche)
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To: ItsMeOK
It's also true that it isn't THE original birth certificate.

Now, why do you suppose a hard-hitting investigative reporter would fail to follow up on this little nugget of information?

9 posted on 07/31/2009 11:48:47 AM PDT by Doohickey (I try to take my days one at a time, but occasionally several days attack me at once.)
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To: tcrlaf

Well I’m a proud midwestern nut.

What’s next, trials for treason?


10 posted on 07/31/2009 11:50:10 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: ItsMeOK

See how they say “false”? Prove that it is false. Open up all of those records.

Story over.


11 posted on 07/31/2009 11:50:15 AM PDT by dforest (Who is the real Jim Thompson? I am.)
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To: Sola Veritas

He was speaking about Andy McCarthy.
Someone that is well informed on this topic informed me of the following.

“Rush is buds with Andy McCarthy, who wrote an in depth piece on it yesterday for Nat. Review. Rebutting the weak crap that Lowry & Co. put out the day prior.”


12 posted on 07/31/2009 11:50:44 AM PDT by pennboricua
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To: cripplecreek

Just reading “Road to Serfdom” (again).

In a totalitarian collectivist system, it is (and has been) considered treasonous to question the success or probability of success of any of the “planners’” programs & policies.

Not far off. Happens every time.


13 posted on 07/31/2009 11:53:00 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: cripplecreek

“What’s next, trials for treason?”

Trial for Treason?

You => No

The “ONE” => Could be.


14 posted on 07/31/2009 11:53:28 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (The last time I looked, this is still Texas where I live.)
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To: ItsMeOK

Bill Dalton?

I surprised that it wasn’t Yael Abu [insert throat clearing sound] halka.


15 posted on 07/31/2009 11:54:11 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: ItsMeOK

It’s like feeding fish. Posting and re-posting articles to see the frenzy on FR.


16 posted on 07/31/2009 11:55:01 AM PDT by listenhillary (90% of our problems could be resolved with a government 10% of the size it is now.)
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To: ItsMeOK

The “Birthers” should actually be called ‘Barry’s Biography Brigade’. Why? because the state-run media, the RNC, the DNC, and popular Presidential biographers (like maybe Doris Kearns-Goodwin or Douglas Brinkley) lacked the intellectual curiosity to investigate or vet the obscured life of The One. Burf records are only one concern. Most of the obfuscation is NOT complex - but simply slight of hand. The BBB’s are smart - they can multitask and go after ALL aspects of the New Poseur (Swiftboaters turned Burfboaters?).


17 posted on 07/31/2009 11:57:52 AM PDT by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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On October 1, 2008 I broke my 25 year subscription to the Kansas City Falling Star Newspaper.

The Falling Star only prints the lefts propaganda.


18 posted on 07/31/2009 12:10:44 PM PDT by ncfool (Obama's Health care is Like Cash for Clunkers! Dead on Arrival.)
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To: pennboricua
How many nanoseconds did he spend on the topic?

For the most part Rush has dedicated far, far, far too little time and has been far, far, far too late on Obama’s eligibility to do much good. He has done just enough, so when Obama is proven to be a fraud, and his listeners are justifiably **furious** and **disgusted** with him, he can say, “Play the tape! See! I did talk about it.!”

Unless Rush seriously repents I stand by opinion of him. He is a big, fat, loud mouth of a **weenie** and has the gonads of a dust mite!

One more thing!

I am sick of Rush's use of the word “radical leftist”! Rush is a gifted communicator and has the talent and means to educate his listeners. The correct term is **MARXISTS**or **COMMUNISTS** and in many ways they are **FASCISTS**! What we are deal with is a world wide, and highly dangerous philosophical communist movement! Calling them “radical leftists” makes them sound as harmless as a Norwegian!

( My apologies to Norwegians.)

19 posted on 07/31/2009 12:11:07 PM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: SERKIT

Kim Jong Il was born while his parents were in exile in Russia. North Korean schoolchildren learn that Dear Leader was born on a sacred mountain in North Korea.

Sound like our schools and media?


20 posted on 07/31/2009 12:18:20 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Seniors, the new shovel ready project under socialized medicine.)
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To: pennboricua
“Rush is buds with Andy McCarthy, who wrote an in depth piece on it yesterday for Nat. Review. Rebutting the weak crap that Lowry & Co. put out the day prior.”

In his NR piece, Andy McCarthy writes:

As far as Obama's eligibility to be president is concerned, it is Hawaii or the highway: If he was not physically born in the U.S., he cannot qualify as a "natural born" citizen. I assumed that was pretty common knowledge, even if the legal reasons why it is so are not well understood. (Obama's mother was too young and hadn't fulfilled — indeed, could not at that age fulfill — the necessary conditions to pass U.S. citizenship to her child derivatively.)

Interestingly, that may not be true. We have Title 8 §1409 (c):

(c) Notwithstanding the provision of subsection (a) of this section, a person born, after December 23, 1952, outside the United States and out of wedlock shall be held to have acquired at birth the nationality status of his mother, if the mother had the nationality of the United States at the time of such person’s birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.

So, it was seem, if the little bastard was indeed a bastard, he skates, even if born in Mombasa. Now, his parents got married in Hawaii in February, 1961. So, at first glance, he would appear to be legitimate, and the above would not apply. However, his parents' marriage was likely invalid because BHO, Sr. already had a wife back in Kenya. In which case, Zero would be in the clear, and all that birther work would be for naught!

21 posted on 07/31/2009 12:28:51 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: ItsMeOK

Let me get this straight

The press and Democrats claimed that George Herbert Walker Bush secretly flew to Iran in 1980 in a U2 spy plane to arrange for Iran to hold the hostages until Reagan got in.

The press and Democrats claimed that GW Bush knew and planned the 9/11 attacks.

The press and Democrats claimed that Dick Cheney and Scooter Libby leaked information about Valarie Plame.

The press and Democrats claimed that GW Bush was awol from the National Guard even when their evidence was found false.

The press and Democrats claimed that Trig Palin was really the child of Sarah Palin’s daughter.

Yet if someone wonders why the President won’t release the long form Birth Certificate they are crazy nutcases!


22 posted on 07/31/2009 12:33:51 PM PDT by Swiss ("Thus always to tyrants")
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To: ItsMeOK

Click on the pic for video...

23 posted on 07/31/2009 12:45:38 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: ItsMeOK
McClatchy investigation: Birthers are just plain nuts

And their antagonists are working overtime to get the message out. Why?

24 posted on 07/31/2009 12:52:52 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (The revolution IS being televised.)
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To: ItsMeOK
First, the 2007 document isn't a forgery. Independent experts from such groups as Factcheck.org at the University of Pennsylvania have examined it and said it's real.

I never alleged the 2007 document is a forgery. I point out that it isn't a birth certificate. I also point out that his presidential run has been sponsored since the mid-1990s when his "unknown" autobiography was (A) approved and (B) became a bestseller. What had he done of note up to that point?

The COLB came about in 2001. But it doesn't contain the details of a birth certificate. Close only counts in horseshoes and handgrenades. There are corrupt figures working for the DMV who'll knowingly provide a legitimate driver's license to people (who pay extra) with a bogus name and background. A number of them have been caught in the act. But others have gotten away with it.

He's fought the release of his birth certificate for over a year now. Why? Sure is a lot of wasted effort and money for someone who claimed transparency.

And lastly. George Soros is a wellknown sponsor of Obama's candidacy. Factcheck.org is NOT an independent review. It is another Soros funded front group.

So we have lies, distortions, half truths, and omissions. All in the first couple of paragraphs of "facts".

"Facts are funny things." - Ronald Reagan

25 posted on 07/31/2009 12:57:18 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: ItsMeOK
The false allegation that President Barack Obama was born in another country is more than a fact-free hit job.

A complete misleading statement!

White House smoke screen distraction. We just want to see the long form B.C., nothing else!!

But this is what you can expect from the "After-birther" crowd until the truth comes out!!!

26 posted on 07/31/2009 12:58:02 PM PDT by danamco
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To: ItsMeOK

Actually on recollection, Bill Ayers (Obama’s mentor and another political sponsor) is behind Factcheck.


27 posted on 07/31/2009 12:58:02 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

And McClatchy is just plain bankrupt and needs to go out of business. No not Chapter 11 and bail out by Obama. But chapter 7 liquidation.

Dan Blather said they other day that Obama needed to help the media survive. Blather was wrong again it needs to have some of the Obama end of life care treatment.


28 posted on 07/31/2009 12:59:29 PM PDT by ncfool (Obama's Health care is Like Cash for Clunkers! Dead on Arrival.)
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To: Swiss

Period. Dot. Bingo.


29 posted on 07/31/2009 1:02:00 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: Swiss

You forgot Obama and the Democrats questioning McCain’s eligibility in 2008.


30 posted on 07/31/2009 1:02:38 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Notice how they don’t bother to use as much ink denying Obama’s agenda is Socialist.


31 posted on 07/31/2009 1:03:36 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: tcrlaf
They didn't ask me!

How would they know I from the South?

How could the know if I am RAT, a pubbie, a indentp, a commie, black or white??

They must think that we live under a rock. ROTLMAO!!

32 posted on 07/31/2009 1:05:39 PM PDT by danamco
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To: 2CAVTrooper

“The bigger question should be why isn’t 0bama spending $15 and some first class postage to end this once and for all?

Why is all of his records sealed?”

He’s probably not even human and a just a cyborg....


33 posted on 07/31/2009 1:07:38 PM PDT by LottieDah (If only those who speak so eloquently on the rights of animals would do so on behalf the unborn)
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To: ItsMeOK

So I guess the U.S. Constitution does not matter. According to Article 2 Section 1 of the Constitution a person must be a Natural Born U.S. Citizen (NBC) to be eligible for POTUS. A NBC is a person that is born on American soil to parents that are U.S. citizens.

In mathematical terms:

1 (both parents are US citizens) + 1 (born on American soil) = 2 (qualified per the constitution to be POTUS).

For OBAMA we have: 0 (both parents are US citizens) + 1 (born on American soil) = 1 (not qualified for POTUS).

Therefore, it does not matter where OBAMA was born. He is not eligible for POTUS because his father OBAMA Sr. was born in Kenya and was a British citizen.

OBAMA has spent millions of dollars to prevent the release his original long-form birth certificate. Why is that? Maybe the birth certificate will show that he was born in Kenya or it may show that OBAMA Sr. is not his father. We will never know the answer to this question unless we see the original long-form birth certificate.


34 posted on 07/31/2009 1:10:41 PM PDT by txoilman
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To: a fool in paradise
Actually on recollection, Bill Ayers (Obama’s mentor and another political sponsor) is behind Factcheck.

That needs a link.

On recollection, Billy Ayers and Barack Obama served together on the board of a boondoggle charity, the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, funded by the Annenberg Foundation, which also has funded FactCheck.org. Anybody have any evidence of direct involvement in FactCheck by Ayers or Obama?

35 posted on 07/31/2009 1:20:03 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: ItsMeOK

If BHO wasn’t born here, how did he get in?


36 posted on 07/31/2009 1:23:00 PM PDT by kenavi (If BHO wasn't born here, how did he get in?)
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To: cynwoody

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22factcheck%22+ayers+annenberg&aq=f&oq=&aqi=

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22factcheck%22+soros&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g1

Maybe there are no clear ties at this time, maybe not.


37 posted on 07/31/2009 1:31:15 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: ItsMeOK

Barry’s half-sister was born in Indonesia. (And has an Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth!) Barry’s half-brother was born in Kenya. What are the chances that Barry was born in America? Half-this, half-that - he may be a half-wit!


38 posted on 07/31/2009 1:34:38 PM PDT by 2harddrive (S)
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To: cynwoody; RummyChick
So, it was seem, if the little bastard was indeed a bastard, he skates, even if born in Mombasa. Now, his parents got married in Hawaii in February, 1961. So, at first glance, he would appear to be legitimate, and the above would not apply. However, his parents' marriage was likely invalid because BHO, Sr. already had a wife back in Kenya. In which case, Zero would be in the clear, and all that birther work would be for naught!

First, hat tip to RummyChick for having made this point in a number of threads.

Yes, Barack Obama Sr. had married Kezia Aoko in a Luo tribal ceremony that was sealed by the payment of 12 cows to her family. He had two children by her before leaving Kenya for Hawaii.

Current Hawaii law on this subject is found in Hawaii Laws Volume 12 Chapter 572:

§572-1 Requisites of valid marriage contract. In order to make valid the marriage contract, which shall be only between a man and a woman, it shall be necessary that:

(1) The respective parties do not stand in relation to each other of ancestor and descendant of any degree whatsoever, brother and sister of the half as well as to the whole blood, uncle and niece, aunt and nephew, whether the relationship is the result of the issue of parents married or not married to each other;

(2) Each of the parties at the time of contracting the marriage is at least sixteen years of age; provided that with the written approval of the family court of the circuit within which the minor resides, it shall be lawful for a person under the age of sixteen years, but in no event under the age of fifteen years, to marry, subject to section 572-2;

(3) The man does not at the time have any lawful wife living and that the woman does not at the time have any lawful husband living;

(4) Consent of neither party to the marriage has been obtained by force, duress, or fraud;

(5) Neither of the parties is a person afflicted with any loathsome disease concealed from, and unknown to, the other party;

(6) The man and woman to be married in the State shall have duly obtained a license for that purpose from the agent appointed to grant marriage licenses; and

(7) The marriage ceremony be performed in the State by a person or society with a valid license to solemnize marriages and the man and the woman to be married and the person performing the marriage ceremony be all physically present at the same place and time for the marriage ceremony.

One question that would have to be answered is whether under Luo tribal custom the marriage between Barack Obama, Sr. and Kezia was dissolved prior to his marriage to Ann Dunham, for example, by reason of abandonment.

On the one hand, it is claimed that Barack Obama, Sr. and Kezia had further children after his return to Kenya; on the other hand, the family has some doubt as to who the biological father of those children really was.

Who would ever have thought that the valid citizenship status of the president of the United States might turn on the interpretation of tribal customs of an obscure tribe living on the shores of Lake Victoria in Africa?

I am not one of those who think a Kenyan birth for Barack Obama is likely, but in the absence of the underlying records being released I do not absolutely rule out other possibilities, however unlikely they may appear.

39 posted on 07/31/2009 1:41:26 PM PDT by SirJohnBarleycorn
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To: a fool in paradise
Notice how they don’t bother to use as much ink denying Obama’s agenda is Socialist.

It may be that they don't think they have to, what with everyone all focused on this.

Two birds, one stone: distract and marginalize.

40 posted on 07/31/2009 2:17:48 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (The revolution IS being televised.)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

thanks, I am glad after days and days of beating my head against the wall trying to get people to get the facts right that it is finally getting some traction. We should be looking at all sides not just pressing an agenda with false facts.

One out is if Ann went to Kenya and had a customary marriage. It would be recognized in Kenya. It would be recognied by UK immigration law until a later law was passed well after Obama was born. If he hadn’t applied for UK citizenship before that law was passed he was probably out of luck but I think he still would have been a UK citizen at birth.

I think the marriage would have been recognized by US immigration law but not 100% sure.

Another out is if you can find an immigration law that protected the child even though the daddy was a lying bigamist. There are some laws that protect foreign spouses if the US citizen spouse is a bigamist so there may be something out there that is applicable for children.

The easiest way to knock him out on this is to show he wasn’t even a US citizen IF born in Kenya. So someone should be looking into finding something that would do this under the fact pattern of a Marriage Void Ab Initio.

Btw, this kind of marriage can be subject to a collateral attack even if both parties are dead.

If he was born in the US, the bigamist marriage is still important because you don’t know how SCOTUS would rule. They may not consider the status of the father but the status of the child. So it would be important to figure out if he did , in fact, have UK citizenship.

He claimed he did. He should know he did not under a bigamist marriage. So maybe he was born in Kenya.

Or maybe there is something in the UK law that would protect the bastard child born on foreign soil when daddy was a lying bigamist. If both parents knew I doubt there would be protection. It would be a case if one party was duped by a liar.

I guess UK has more information on this since they did have colonies that were polygamous.

http://www.bia.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitecontent/documents/policyandlaw/nationalityinstructions/nisec2gensec/legitimacy?view=Binary


41 posted on 07/31/2009 2:47:49 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: massgopguy
And why is “The Anointed One” paying lawyers to quash any efforts to bring these charges to court, and why have all
his school records been sealed? It appears that he has something to hide!
42 posted on 07/31/2009 3:33:22 PM PDT by upcountryhorseman (An old fashioned conservative)
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To: upcountryhorseman

Who has the ability to cause everything to do down a black hole.

Not many people or groups can do that.

But there is one I know that can do it.


43 posted on 07/31/2009 3:39:32 PM PDT by RummyChick
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To: LottieDah

“He’s probably not even human and a just a cyborg....”

Not a cyborg, he’s got cloven hooves and a long pointy tail.


44 posted on 07/31/2009 5:25:47 PM PDT by 2CAVTrooper (For those who have had to fight for it, freedom has a flavor the protected shall never know.)
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To: SirJohnBarleycorn

Leave Barack alone!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM8l3X_7Hkg

ROTFLMAO!!!!

STE=Q


45 posted on 07/31/2009 5:29:58 PM PDT by STE=Q (ste=q)
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