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The Irony of His Birth
Vanity ^ | August 1, 2009 | Nathan Bedford

Posted on 08/01/2009 4:15:36 AM PDT by nathanbedford

The Irony of His Birth

It is ironic that the "state-controlled" media have brought this matter nearly to a boil only after the main props of the Birther argument have been dashed or dramatically weakened so that there can be little doubt left that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii which his underlying long form certificate will confirm. [For a more complete analysis leading to the conclusion that the documents will show the birth of Obama in Hawaii, please see my reply: Suborned in the U.S.A. - The birth-certificate controversy is about Obama’s honesty...http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2304411/posts?page=49#49]

Two revelations undercut both the evidence that he was born in Kenya and the argument that his underlying and suppressed Birth Certificate could under the laws of Hawaii be at variance with his published Certification of Live Birth. The first was dashed by a You Tube audio which conclusively demonstrated that the original audio in which Obama's grandmother said she witnessed his birth in Kenya was, in effect, cropped. In the extended version she disavowed any such reference and maintained that he was born in Hawaii. The second was severely weakened by the statement of Doctor Fukino which, when read in pari materia with her previous statement of October 31, makes it clear that she and a colleague have examined the underlying birth certificate and it says that Obama was born in Hawaii.

Before the publication of the extended YouTube audio and the release of the second statement by the officials of Hawaii, there was plenty of room to believe that Obama could have been born abroad. So long as the direct evidence that he was born in Kenya existed, and while the inference could reasonably be drawn from the officials' first statement of October 31, 2008 that the underlying birth certificate did not necessarily recite that he was born in Hawaii, the birthers were behaving reasonably and indeed, patriotically, in demanding to see the original birth certificate and raising the issue of Barack Obama's status as a natural born citizen.

While the birthers were behaving reasonably, or at least many of them here on Free Republic were behaving reasonably, the media were not. They certainly were not behaving professionally. They persistently and willfully, conflated the published "Certificate of Live Birth" with a regular longform "Birth Certificate." The Birthers kept shouting back that there was a real and significant difference between the two documents and Obama was hiding the latter but the media resolutely continued to ignore that difference. The media recited that the October 31 statement of Doctor Fukino, standing alone, was dispositive of the issue when that logically that was not true. I can recall the instance of Chris Matthews holding up a document for a close up to the camera, but not close enough to reveal the header, which said " Certification of Live Birth," while he proclaimed that it was the "Birth Certificate." Of course, virtually no one in the mainstream media bothered to explain to the people the real and significant potential difference between the two documents and the underlying statute which might have permitted Obama's mother to aver that she was a resident of Hawaii for one year and thus secure a Certification of Live Birth reciting a birth in Hawaii for her son, Barack, even though the original longform Birth Certificate might have recited a birth somewhere else, for example, the place where Barack's grandmother told us on You Tube that she had witnessed the birth, in Kenya.

It is ironic that these revelations have come out just as the mainstream media has begun to take up the issue and, if not to support the Birthers, at least no longer to ignore them to death but to give them the publicity which is the oxygen a media feeding frenzy needs. The media has still declined to get down into the weeds and make a clear presentation to the general public about the elements in dispute. It continues to report the matter alternatively that the Birthers are "crazed right wing nuts" or, "why doesn't Obama released a birth certificate already?" The media as usual is reporting the matter in terms of personalities rather than substance: who is crazy and who is furtive.

Why should this be happening now? Why is the media giving bandwidth to the Birther movement now?

First, I do not believe that the media is bringing this to a crescendo now because it sees an opportunity to discredit the right because of the new revelations that I have recited. I don't think most of them are fully aware of the significance of these developments. Bill O'Reilly made that obvious on his show when he said that he examined the Birth Certificate when he obviously had examined the Certification of Live Birth and betrayed that he does not know the difference between them and, since he does not know the difference, he does not understand the issue. I think O'Reilly is illustrative of most of the media who are very busy and see this as either a ratings gainer or a ratings loser. I think the media are coming to the conclusion that the issue can be a ratings gainer and they are much impressed by the notoriety gained by Lou Dobbs. Dobbs got the best of both worlds, he has the politically correct position in opposition to the birthers, but he has also asked for the exposure of a birth certificate showing that he is in favor of transparency, and, most important in this industry, he got a ton of publicity.

There is another factor which I think is even more important. The magic has gone out of the Magic Negro. One can see the brouhaha over the arrest of Professor Gates as a reaction to a mistake made by Barack Obama but I think the significance of that flapdoodle is that the media now want to take Obama on. Obama's mistake just came at the wrong time. One need not cite gaffe after gaffe committed by Obama during the campaign, through the inauguration, and until very recently, which was utterly ignored or explained away by the media to illustrate its disgraceful bias in favor of electing the first African-American president. The media, like the gods, first build up those whom they will destroy.

The reaction of many FReepers to the second statement of Doctor Fukino saying that the "vital records" show the birth of Barack Obama to be in Hawaii, is interesting. Many will simply not let go of their Confederate money. Others are beginning to see that the issue of where Barack Obama is born is a metaphor for his whole life. They recognize that it was Obama's lack of candor and transparency which ultimately has kept this issue alive and in fact was the oxygen for the fire. I am personally convinced that the underlying birth certificate will show a birth in Hawaii. What else it might reveal about Barack Obama and why he so desperately wants to keep it concealed is not knowable. But it makes for great stuff politically and every ounce of it should be exploited. We have been beaten up on this issue since before the election but now the public is in a different mood and the matter of the birth certificate of Barack Obama is beginning to cost him dear because the public and even the media are beginning to demand an accounting from Barack Obama. The demand for his birth certificates is but a figure for all their fears and anxieties about the man who seems to want, not to govern, but to rule over them.

It is time for the Birther movement to articulate a broader rationale for their demands that Obama produce his birth certificate. They should not be grounded alone in arguments that he is not a natural born citizen, but that he has concealed every significant document which records any part of his life since the time of his birth. The argument should be made that Barack Obama, the President of the United States of America, is a mountebank no matter where he was born and the people of the United States are entitled to know the truth about his whole life. It is an odd quirk of human nature that we as a society will endure a series of insults from our politicians dumbly and then, almost unaccountably, rise up in indignation over some triviality. We saw this applied against the Democrats in the House banking scandal. Today, our people are being abused by their own politicians perhaps as never before. They are yearning for an issue which they can seize upon and vent against Obama. Their cares might be taxes, and healthcare, and fears for their children's future, but their complaint is that he will not release his damn birth certificate!

The issue should be used as a vehicle to continue to assault the mainstream media for their bias and to force them to confront other issues as they arise. One is either on defense or offense and it is better to be on offense against the media even though I have little hope that their tribal culture and taboos can be changed.

One quick historical note on the media: When Paula Jones' lawsuit against Bill Clinton was being derided as the legal convulsion of a "slut and a nut," Stuart Taylor Jr. wrote a piece in the American Lawyer which laid out in scholarly detail the facts which showed that Paula Jones did in fact have a case, that she was entitled to a hearing, and that she was not a "nut." That article actually turned the coverage of the lawsuit around which led to the whole Monica Lewinsky affair and made possible the events which led to the impeachment of William Jefferson Clinton. The parallel to the treatment of the Birthers today is obvious. It is only a matter of time before some enterprising journalist gets into the weeds and reports the nuts and bolts of the birther controversy. It behooves us to make the record clear before that happens that the demand for Obama's birth certificate and the rest of his Life's documents is justified for compelling reasons of good government quite independent from the argument that he is not a natural born citizen. This must be done before a new Stuart Taylor Jr. writes his piece.

Most importantly, the argument of Andrew McCarthy which was the subject of an article by him which was presented on these threads should be adopted. It was one that I had made before his article appeared. The secrets of Obama's birth are but a symbol of the dark secrets of his life. The dark secrets of his life are that he is a Manchurian Marxist bent on the radicalization of America or worse. The dark secrets of his life show that he is governing as he lived. The summons to produce a birth certificate in accordance with the constitutional mandate is but a metaphor for the call to govern in accordance with the Constitution.

The irony Of the Birther movement might be that it brings down Barack Obama after all.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; obama; obamatruthfile
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1 posted on 08/01/2009 4:15:37 AM PDT by nathanbedford
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To: nathanbedford

Superb post!


2 posted on 08/01/2009 4:22:35 AM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine PFC- 1/16/09 - Parris Island - LC -6/4/09 - 29 Palms - Camp Pendleton 6/18)
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To: nathanbedford

The kicker would be that Obama signed documents saying that he was eligible.

I guess that is democratic honesty.


3 posted on 08/01/2009 4:24:45 AM PDT by Eye of Unk ("If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace." T. Paine)
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To: nathanbedford

Great post! We are sitting on top of the scandal of the century!


4 posted on 08/01/2009 4:25:39 AM PDT by Boardwalk
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To: nathanbedford

Thank you my friend. Well stated.


5 posted on 08/01/2009 4:27:34 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (The last time I looked, this is still Texas where I live.)
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To: nathanbedford
This article is excellent work.

Thank you for writing and posting it.

6 posted on 08/01/2009 4:32:53 AM PDT by snowsislander (NRA -- join today! 1-877-NRA-2000)
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To: nathanbedford
It is time for the Birther movement to articulate a broader rationale for their demands that Obama produce his birth certificate. They should not be grounded alone in arguments that he is not a natural born citizen, but that he has concealed every significant document which records any part of his life since the time of his birth.

I actually think this has been happening for some time.

It certainly has on FR where many of us are basically agnostic vis a vis Obama's birthplace but believe it is obvious that that Birth Certificate and the rest of the hidden records will tell a tale that will be extremely damaging to Obama and the Democrat Party. But that fact is NOT going to be picked up by the MSM who need to focus on the Hawaii vs. Kenya issue to make their point that we are all a bunch of kooks. That case can be made in a semi-believable fashion and so that is going to continue to be the basis for the MSM stories. I really don't think there is much we can do about that.

OTOH, that should not stop us from making the broader point: WHO IS THIS GUY? It will take longer for that issue to settle in on the American public unless there is a miracle and the MSM picks up the theme. I don't expect that to happen so I anticipate a long grind on the issue.

Let the grinding begin.

7 posted on 08/01/2009 4:36:30 AM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: nathanbedford
I have long maintained that it IS a Constitutional issues and as such, should not be ignored. It was a crime that it was ignored in the primary process and before that, the vetting process. I do not, and have not ever thought the issue would amount to anything, but I view it instead as one more of a thousand cuts on many fronts that should be inflicted on this abortion of a President.

As I stated in a previous thread, the framers of the Constitution placed that citizenship restriction on the office of the Presidency for good and specific reasons. They did not place it there simply as a student might pad a book report with verbiage to reach 1000 words.

The military, police and fire departments have very specific processes and procedures that must be followed, sometimes to the point of near absurdity. The reason this is so is because they are written in blood. Those processes were implemented as a result of tears, pain and blood.

So it is with the Constitution. We of Today have a conceit that somehow everything is new under the sun. It isn't. Every situation, emotion or conflict has a direct analog to those faced by the Founding Fathers. Sure, they didn't have cloning or the Internet, but the point stands.

Those things that are in the Constitution are significant. There is no waste. It is a remarkable document, and every bit as relevant today as it was in 1788.

In closing, it is an excellent thread you have written, NB. Good writers always know how to put an exclamation point at the end of a statement correctly, as you have done:

"The summons to produce a birth certificate in accordance with the constitutional mandate is but a metaphor for the call to govern in accordance with the Constitution.

8 posted on 08/01/2009 4:39:38 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: nathanbedford

* Actual long-form birth certificate (NOT an easily-forged electronic copy of a short-form document that is not even officially accepted in Hawaii)
* Passport files
* University of Chicago Law School scholarly articles
* Harvard Law Review articles
* Harvard Law School records
* Columbia University records
* Columbia University senior thesis, “Soviet Nuclear Disarmament”
* Occidental College records, including financial aid that he may have received
* Punahou School records, where Mr. Obama attended from the fifth grade until he finished high school
* Noelani Elementary School records, where Barack Obama attended kindergarten (according to the Hawaii Department of Education, students must submit a birth certificate to register — but parents may bring a passport or student visa if the child is from a foreign country)
* Complete files and schedules of his years as an Illinois state senator from 1997 to 2004
* Obama’s client list from during his time in private practice with the Chicago law firm of Davis, Miner, Barnhill and Gallard
* Illinois State Bar Association records
* Baptism records
* Obama/Dunham marriage license
* Obama/Dunham divorce documents
* Soetoro/Dunham marriage license
* Soetero/Dunham Adoption records

... and one other ...
Why does Obama need 39 Social Security Numbers?


9 posted on 08/01/2009 4:39:53 AM PDT by BuffaloJack (thirst for absolute power is the natural disease of monarchy - Thomas Paine)
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To: nathanbedford
Thank you for taking the time to write this superb piece.

As a mental exercise- I've tried to put myself in the position of defending Obama in this case. It's when I do this that I'm forced to concede the opposition- those who demand an explanation, are well within the bounds of reason and legitimacy by asking these questions. Twice this week we've seen liberal bloggers begin this questioning process.

From your piece:

It is time for the Birther movement to articulate a broader rationale for their demands that Obama produce his birth certificate. They should not be grounded alone in arguments that he is not a natural born citizen, but that he has concealed every significant document which records any part of his life since the time of his birth.

This, is THE crux of the matter and begs for answers.

10 posted on 08/01/2009 4:43:39 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: nathanbedford

Excellent article. I agree as can be seen here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2305060/posts?page=119#119


11 posted on 08/01/2009 4:48:12 AM PDT by ScaniaBoy (Part of the Right Wing Research & Attack Machine)
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To: nathanbedford

One unanswered question leads to another question. It certainly seems as if he is hiding things from the public.


12 posted on 08/01/2009 4:48:33 AM PDT by FreedBird
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To: nathanbedford
It behooves us to make the record clear before that happens that the demand for Obama's birth certificate and the rest of his Life's documents is justified for compelling reasons of good government quite independent from the argument that he is not a natural born citizen.

Well said.

And it won't hurt to point out that the birther thing is a Dem idea.

13 posted on 08/01/2009 4:52:23 AM PDT by Tribune7 (I am Jim Thompson!)
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To: nathanbedford
"Nathan, we need to talk"
14 posted on 08/01/2009 5:04:35 AM PDT by jla
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To: NormsRevenge; Billthedrill; Coldwater Creek; kitkat; skr; fanfan; exit82; processing please hold; ..

This is a one and only one ping from my old “Mrs don-o prayer list” (the largest one I have), because this vanity post deserves a wide reading.


15 posted on 08/01/2009 5:06:10 AM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine PFC- 1/16/09 - Parris Island - LC -6/4/09 - 29 Palms - Camp Pendleton 6/18)
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To: nathanbedford

usually I poo-poo vanities, but well done well written


16 posted on 08/01/2009 5:09:07 AM PDT by Americanwolf ("How could they not tell they had a friggin 70 foot whale hanging off their bow?" ---Tijeras_slim)
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To: InterceptPoint

I’ve always thought that even if the BC issue is bogus, it is emblematic of all the other hidden documents that have led effectively to an erased past.


17 posted on 08/01/2009 5:10:38 AM PDT by 1951Boomer
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To: don-o; nathanbedford

Thank you, don-o. That is an excellent summary of the issue and its political/social implications.


18 posted on 08/01/2009 5:11:50 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("If the worst that Barack Obama does is ruin the economy, I will breathe a sigh of relief." Sowell)
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To: Jim Robinson; holdonnow; roaddog727; STARWISE; penelopesire; Bahbah; Miss Didi; LucyT; ...

Don’t miss this terrific piece :)


19 posted on 08/01/2009 5:17:40 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: jla

She is still a brain, and HOT.


20 posted on 08/01/2009 5:28:17 AM PDT by 2harddrive (S)
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To: don-o

BTTT


21 posted on 08/01/2009 5:29:22 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: nathanbedford
I do not care where he was born... release all of his records and rescind his executive order sealing his past away from Americans. There is far more to this LFBC than actual place of birth... and that piece of paper that will NEVER see the light of day has the beginning of the end of hussama printed on it... What it is I do not know. It is obvious hussama knows very well!

LLS

22 posted on 08/01/2009 5:30:28 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (hussama will never be my president... NEVER!)
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To: don-o

Thanks for the ping.


23 posted on 08/01/2009 5:31:30 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Damn the naysayers. Full speed ahead. ~ Þ)
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To: nathanbedford

Well written. Thank you for taking the time put all that together, and share it with us.


24 posted on 08/01/2009 5:37:01 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Damn the naysayers. Full speed ahead. ~ Þ)
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To: nathanbedford

The birth certificate issue is silly if he was, as assumed by most, born in Hawaii. But he may not be able to access his original BC because it is sealed and only accessible per court order due to a later adoption BC.

Maya Soetoro Ng, Barack Obama’s half-sister, stated in an interview that her entire family IS Muslim and that her father adopted Barack before the family moved to Indonesia. That seems pretty clear, as especially a recent bit of info came my way that Stanley Ann D. Soetoro naturalized as an Indonesian citizen and converted to Islam. This is hardly the kind of family background a candidate for President wants made public during an election.

However some things about this issue perhaps aren’t as innocent as they should be, and an Obama ‘disciple’ traveled to Indonesia and struck a faustian deal with the Indonesian government in exchange for documents and photographs of Barack Obama/Barry Soetoro and his family.

U.S.Congressman Eni Faleomavaega traveled to Jakarta, Indonesia, on July 3, 2007¹ , for a private meeting with Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono and Barnabas Suebu, the governor of the Indonesian Province of Papua. The Congressman was seeking their assistance in supporting Barack Obama’s presidential campaign as well as collecting documents, records, and photographs of Barack Obama and visiting the schools he attended as a child.

“Officials” who accompanied Faleomamaega offered cash, and lots of it, for documents and photographs of the young Obama, then known as Barry Soetoro, and those of his family. The Congressman acquired the cooperation of the Indonesian government by promising a “change” in the way the U.S. would deal with the Indonesian government’s persecution of West Papua’s Christian population² once Barack Obama was President.

What was so important about those photographs and documents that they were worth the suffering of West Papuans? This information comes from ‘Obama: Throwing Papua Under The Bus’, by An American Expat in Southeast Asia - Larry Martin http://www.laotze.blogspot.com/

I suspect that the adoption BC is the document that Obama wants to hide. It gives his legal name, Barry Soetoro, and that his parents are Lolo Soetoro and Stanley Ann D. Soetoro. It indicates that Indonesia is important in the lives and history of Obama’s immediate family and he doesn’t want any of it made public.

As for Obama’s ‘Muslim faith’, of that I have no doubt. His book, ‘The Audacity of Hope’, has a title in Indonesian no Christian would ever consider - ‘Jihad: From Jakarta To The White House’.


25 posted on 08/01/2009 5:39:16 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO Foreign Nationals as our President!!)
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To: Eye of Unk

>The kicker would be that Obama signed documents saying that he was eligible.
>
>I guess that is democratic honesty.

It would be perjury and fraud if it is found that he was ineligible... well for anyone like you or me.

I guess that is “Oligarchical justice”.


26 posted on 08/01/2009 5:40:10 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Eye of Unk
"The kicker would be that Obama signed documents saying that he was eligible."

The "signed documents" issue is really what Obama/Barry is hiding. If ALL signed documents - either directly by - or on behalf of Obama are brought to light, then I think we shall see a pattern of deception, fraud and outright illegality that would bring into focus how he 'gamed' the system throught his life.

Remember with the Feds it not the act but lying about the act (especially if the act has a signed paper trail) that gets you in hot water....

27 posted on 08/01/2009 5:41:14 AM PDT by databoss (Keep The Change....)
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To: databoss

through out (sic)


28 posted on 08/01/2009 5:43:37 AM PDT by databoss (Keep The Change....)
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To: nathanbedford
The summons to produce a birth certificate in accordance with the constitutional mandate is but a metaphor for the call to govern in accordance with the Constitution.

In a nutshell!

Now, counting down to the appearance on this thread of the cafeteria Constitutionalists who urge us to "move one" because birthers are damaging conservatism...
29 posted on 08/01/2009 5:44:26 AM PDT by silverleaf (If you can't be a good example, at least don't be a horrible lesson)
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To: SE Mom

Thanks. This really is an excellent piece of work.


30 posted on 08/01/2009 5:47:46 AM PDT by Bahbah (Only dead fish go with the flow)
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To: BuffaloJack
... and one other ... Why does Obama need 39 Social Security Numbers?

Please explain.

31 posted on 08/01/2009 5:47:53 AM PDT by Lawgvr1955 (You can never have too much cowbell !!)
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To: nathanbedford
Well done!

32 posted on 08/01/2009 5:49:02 AM PDT by magooey (The Mandate of Heaven resides in the hearts of men)
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To: nathanbedford

I have a dream:
Our gal, Sarah is debating the “One” on the eve of the 2012 election and the COB issue pops up.
She looks over to Zero and says, “I’ll show you mine if you’ll show me yours.” Then gives us a big wink...

Please don’t wake me up; reality stinks.


33 posted on 08/01/2009 5:50:19 AM PDT by WeldonsRight (Right and (apparently) wrong at the same time)
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To: nathanbedford

Thank you for that post.


34 posted on 08/01/2009 5:54:01 AM PDT by Marysecretary (GOD IS STILL IN CONTROL!)
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To: don-o

Thanks for the ping!


35 posted on 08/01/2009 5:57:04 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: nathanbedford
Old School "Vanity" - Thank you, NB. I agree completely the the BC issue needs expansion far beyond demand for a single document. I want to see it all. Who is this guy? Where did he come from? Who sent him and what is his true and legal name.

I work as a department manager for a Fortune 500 manufacturing company. If Obama was not the president, he would not be allowed to visit the company because of federal export compliance laws. Every visitor that wishes access to any of the company's factories or offices must pass OCR screening. A thorough background check - impossible with Obama. As well, he would never be hired at this company because his past is apparently completely hidden. And yet this man has absolute control over US armed forces and the nuclear arsenal. Absolutely unconscionable

36 posted on 08/01/2009 6:00:44 AM PDT by atc23
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To: nathanbedford
Well written and thoughtful post, Nathan.

I am personally convinced that the underlying birth certificate will show a birth in Hawaii.

I agree that it will likely show a Hawaiian birth. I am not so sure that it is accurate or truthful, though. The sticking point I have is the address listed in the birth announcement for Mr. and Mrs. Barack Obama in the two Hawaiian papers at the time. (LOL, that address is my "Confderate Money".) This information was taken from Vital Statistics information (Certificate of Live Birth). The address listed does not correspond to any addresses of any of the parties (Obama's father, mother, or grandparents). Instead, it belonged to a couple who was not giving birth to any children at that time.

Both papers printed up the wrong address, making it unlikely it was a mistake, and making it likely that this incorrect address was indeed listed on the original birth certificate. Why? It could be as simple as a mother trying to confer legitimacy to her son by showing an address for a married couple. It could be something totally different. The other information listed on an original BC would further tell the story of what transpired at the time. Was he actually born in a hospital? This would make it easier to believe a Hawaiian birth since it would be more difficult to falsify. Was it a birth other than in a formal setting (i.e. home birth) which sould be easier to provide falsified information about.

I have never seriously entertatained a Kenyan birth. It doesn't make a lot of sense. But assuming the birth announcements are real, there is innacurate information on that original BC. What else might be innacurte or fraudulent?

The summons to produce a birth certificate in accordance with the constitutional mandate is but a metaphor for the call to govern in accordance with the Constitution.

Well said! Every American who loves this country can agree with that.
37 posted on 08/01/2009 6:04:41 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: nathanbedford

Your position is generally my position.


38 posted on 08/01/2009 6:10:53 AM PDT by qwertypie
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To: nathanbedford
Once again your elegance with the word and deep penetration of the issue are demonstrated. COngratulations. Wholeheartedly concur and have been trying to convey the smae message in recent days. Of course I am not nearly as gifted as you are. Again, thanks and congrats.

Μολὼν λάβε


39 posted on 08/01/2009 6:11:44 AM PDT by wastoute (translation of tag "Come and get them (bastards)" and the Scout Motto)
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To: nathanbedford

Bump great post.


40 posted on 08/01/2009 6:13:51 AM PDT by mc5cents
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To: Lawgvr1955
" ... and one other ... Why does Obama need 39 Social Security Numbers?"

Please explain.

There was a theory some time ago that BHO's mother and her parents and he himself might have been involved in money transfers on behalf of a foreign interest. It included the allegation that his mother might be alive and living in NYC.

I don't have a source.

41 posted on 08/01/2009 6:16:00 AM PDT by OldEagle
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To: nathanbedford

BO, the international man of mystery, and he fully intends to keep it that way.


42 posted on 08/01/2009 6:24:36 AM PDT by Malesherbes (Sauve Qui Peut)
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To: nathanbedford
Dr. Fukino could have been very plain and said, “I saw the long form birth certificate, and it states Obama was born in ( name the city), Hawaii.” She didn't.

Everything she has stated has been based on “vital records”. Records that Obama **himself** may have filed.

Hawaiian officials are deliberately and carefully obfuscating.

43 posted on 08/01/2009 6:28:07 AM PDT by wintertime (People are not stupid! Good ideas win!)
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To: Lawgvr1955

“39 Social Security Numbers”

It was introduced as discoverable evidence (I think that is the correct term) by Dr. Orly Taitz in a court filing. She had done the background leading up to the filing. I believe it is the case Alan Keyes is part of.


44 posted on 08/01/2009 6:32:15 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Palin shrugged.)
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To: nathanbedford
"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai'i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai'i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.

I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, director of the Hawai'i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai'i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago...."

Those policies and procedures say the birthers would be to accept the Kenyan birth certificate and issue a certificate of live birth showing birth in Hawaii. Now Doctor Fukino explicitly states that Obama was born in Hawaii and that fact is recorded in the "vital records":

I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with you. You stated that the birther position was that Hawaii would accept the Kenyan birth certificate and then issue a certificate of live birth showing birth in Hawaii, so long as his mother averred that she was a resident of Hawaii for one year preceding the birth. Nonsense. The only person I have ever heard advance that position is you. I have never heard anyone else advance the idea that Hawaii would take a certificate saying that Obama was born in Kenya and turn around and issue a certificate saying he was born in Hawaii. That would be perjury. Where did you come up with that idea? The laws on the books at the time were that the mother (or even grandmother) could state, under oath, that baby Barak was born in Hawaii, and the state would accept this and issue a birth certificate to that effect. As far as I am concerned, that is still the case.

The doctor stated that she has "seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai'i State Department of Health verifying Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii". My translation of this is that she has seen the affidavits from mommy and/or granny stating the Obama was born in Hawaii. As far as these record "verifying" his place of birth, well let's see, what does Encarta say about the word "verify"? Encarta: swear something under oath law in law, to swear or affirm under oath that something is true. The only thing that I am reading in her statements is that she has seen the original affidavit from mommy and/or grandmommy stating the Obami was born in Hawaii. That's still not proof. Fukino has stated that she has seen the original birth certificate on file. Which original? The one that they issued? So let's she, she has stated that she has seen the original affidavits that mommy/granny signed, and has seen the original birth certificate that was produced by them. As far as I am concerned her statements still sum up to nothing.

Has the hospital where he was born produced any independent records of his birth? Have they found the doctor or nurse? Now that Fukino has "put the matter to rest", Obama now has absolutely positively no reason not to release the long form. Yet he has not. Sorry, but until I see the long form, with signatures, that match up with hospital records, and said long form is vetted by the Governor (i.e. it matches up with the copy she has squirreled away), as far as I am concerned, there is no proof.

You did write a nice article, but it was all based on your position that Hawaii traded a "born in Kenya" document for a "born in Hawaii" document. (A position that you then tried to attribute to us.) Still absurd.

P.S. You mention the full version YouTube audio where Kenyan Granny reversed herself. I have also heard the audio of the radio interview with the Kenyan ambassador. In it, he stated that there is a shrine to Obamas birthplace in Kenya, they are quite proud of it, and that Obamas Kenyan birth is common knowledge. My my my, who to believe?

P.S.S. I've never owned any Confederate money, and I've never tried to print my own.

45 posted on 08/01/2009 6:35:00 AM PDT by NurdlyPeon (Sarah Palin: Americas last, best hope for survival.)
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To: nathanbedford
flopdoodle - I like it!

PS: You are my new Common Tator. I miss him.

46 posted on 08/01/2009 6:38:59 AM PDT by Free State Four
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To: don-o

d-o, this article is all fine and good but for two things. First, the bc isn’t going to be produced because this controversy is making all of conservativism look like a movement of deluded loons. Of far greater concern is the fact that the birther movement, even here on FR, has turned into a movement of anti-military seditionists who are actively encouraging mutiny in the armed forces in time of war. There are active duty personnel, master and senior chiefs, at the base near my office who think Free Republic has turned into a nihilist site because of the bandwidth this bc nonsense has been given here.


47 posted on 08/01/2009 6:40:33 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated!)
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To: nathanbedford

Very well stated.

I’m past the issue of the location of his birth. The existing evidence says he was born in Hawaii, and that he meets the ‘natural born citizen’ criteria.

BUT, it is still very odd that he would spend so much money to conceal his long form BC, and in fact would conceal all pertinent documents, from college records to medical records.

Pure and simple, he is hiding something.


48 posted on 08/01/2009 6:40:45 AM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: nathanbedford
The President is employed by the citizens of the United States. We pay his salary. Is it too much to ask to see his birth certificate, his credit report score, his tax returns going back 5 years and his college transcripts?

Things that are produced by job applicators for lesser jobs, everyday o the week.

49 posted on 08/01/2009 6:41:23 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: nathanbedford
Well done.

I have said all along that my suspicions are not that the original long form birth certificate will show that Obama was born someplace else -- rather that there's something else he's trying to hide.

It could be that the long form is not his original BC but an "amended" BC stemming from his adoption by Soetoro. It could be an original BC that shows no father or identifies him as illegitimate. It could show his race as "White". There are all sorts of possibilities.

Those possibilities probably extend into his other records (my money's on his having claimed Indonesian citizenship in order to get some sort of foreign student advantage, whether in reduced admission requirements or financial aid). That's why in my opinion he's had to try to hide his entire past. It just won't bear close examination.

What puzzles me is why he's been allowed to do this. He is the MOST cryptic candidate we've ever had for just about any major office.

50 posted on 08/01/2009 6:42:29 AM PDT by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of ye Chasse, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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